Gulf Air Developments
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I would happily fly any airframe the board & the CEO decide will help dig us out the gigantic hole that we are in. But,we all know that is not the only problem-the massive over staffing & stealing are the most pressing problems since even if we reduce our overheads on the operations side there is the 3000 or so useless/unproductive staff in HQ. Where is the transparency & communications that Mr Majali promised? I am sure that he is aware of the lack of confidence in his plan(& if he isnt then we have even bigger plans than we think!) so why not address it & try to get us on his side? Perhaps he has nothing to say that may inpsire confidence.
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Where is the transparency & communications that Mr Majali promised? I am sure that he is aware of the lack of confidence in his plan(& if he isnt then we have even bigger plans than we think!) so why not address it & try to get us on his side? Perhaps he has nothing to say that may inpsire confidence.
Mephistopheles....you probably are making some valid points. What was the response when you asked these questions or brought these issues up when talking or emailing the powers to be ? Shirley you have asked ? Or are you hoping that they will see it here on pprune and act accordingly ?
Mephistopheles....you probably are making some valid points. What was the response when you asked these questions or brought these issues up when talking or emailing the powers to be ? Shirley you have asked ? Or are you hoping that they will see it here on pprune and act accordingly ?
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In the news, today 19/01/2010:
Source: Flight Global
As I said, never think that it cannot happen here. It is my personal opinion that most airlines will go through this sooner or later.
JAL files for bankruptcy protection
By Ghim-Lay Yeo
Japan Airlines (JAL) has filed for bankruptcy protection, but will continue to operate as it undergoes a financial restructuring plan led by a government-backed body.
The Japanese government has pledged up to ¥900 billion ($10 billion) in funds to keep JAL operating while it restructures.
Japan's Enterprise Turnaround Initiative Corporation (ETIC), tasked to turn JAL around, will inject ¥300 billion into the carrier, says the corporation.
A separate ¥600 credit line will also be available to JAL, adds the ETIC.
Creditors have also agreed to forgive ¥730 billion of the airline's ¥2.3 trillion in debt.
Under the restructuring plan, JAL will renew its aircraft fleet, slash its workforce and cut unprofitable routes, says the airline.
The airline is expected to shed a third of its workforce - or 15,700 jobs - over the next three years.
It will switch from "low-efficiency large aircraft to high-efficiency small aircraft" and restructure and reconsolidate low-demand routes, adds JAL. Reports indicate that the airline will retire its 37 Boeing 747-400s.
JAL has obtained approval from the Tokyo District Court to continue payments for commercial transactions to keep its operations afloat while it restructures, says the airline.
These include payments for fuel, leasing fees and other supplies and services, it adds.
Airline tickets and the frequent flyer mileage scheme will also be protected, says JAL.
The airline will proceed with cuts to its current and former employees' pension schemes, after it earlier obtained the go-ahead from both groups.
JAL's board of directors, including representative director and president Haruka Nishimatsu, resigned today to take responsibility for the airline's financial situation, says the carrier.
A new management structure will be decided in early February, it adds. In the meantime, senior managing executive officer Masato Uehara will be JAL's temporary chief operating officer.
"We are confident that the swift revitalisation of JAL Group will be achieved after which JAL will be reborn as a leading airline group that could again lead the global airline industry," it adds.
JAL, a Oneworld carrier, is also in the process of considering offers of financial aid from two airline alliances.
Delta and SkyTeam have offered a $1 billion financing package to JAL to persuade it to switch alliances.
American Airlines, Oneworld and private investment firm TPG said last week it was prepared to invest up to $1.4 billion in JAL, sweetening its previous $1.1 billion offer.
Delta Air Lines and SkyTeam say it is "ready to provide assistance and support in any way possible" to JAL.
"Delta fully expects that JAL, with the support of ETIC, will be successful in its restructuring and return the airline to a position of prominence," it says.
By Ghim-Lay Yeo
Japan Airlines (JAL) has filed for bankruptcy protection, but will continue to operate as it undergoes a financial restructuring plan led by a government-backed body.
The Japanese government has pledged up to ¥900 billion ($10 billion) in funds to keep JAL operating while it restructures.
Japan's Enterprise Turnaround Initiative Corporation (ETIC), tasked to turn JAL around, will inject ¥300 billion into the carrier, says the corporation.
A separate ¥600 credit line will also be available to JAL, adds the ETIC.
Creditors have also agreed to forgive ¥730 billion of the airline's ¥2.3 trillion in debt.
Under the restructuring plan, JAL will renew its aircraft fleet, slash its workforce and cut unprofitable routes, says the airline.
The airline is expected to shed a third of its workforce - or 15,700 jobs - over the next three years.
It will switch from "low-efficiency large aircraft to high-efficiency small aircraft" and restructure and reconsolidate low-demand routes, adds JAL. Reports indicate that the airline will retire its 37 Boeing 747-400s.
JAL has obtained approval from the Tokyo District Court to continue payments for commercial transactions to keep its operations afloat while it restructures, says the airline.
These include payments for fuel, leasing fees and other supplies and services, it adds.
Airline tickets and the frequent flyer mileage scheme will also be protected, says JAL.
The airline will proceed with cuts to its current and former employees' pension schemes, after it earlier obtained the go-ahead from both groups.
JAL's board of directors, including representative director and president Haruka Nishimatsu, resigned today to take responsibility for the airline's financial situation, says the carrier.
A new management structure will be decided in early February, it adds. In the meantime, senior managing executive officer Masato Uehara will be JAL's temporary chief operating officer.
"We are confident that the swift revitalisation of JAL Group will be achieved after which JAL will be reborn as a leading airline group that could again lead the global airline industry," it adds.
JAL, a Oneworld carrier, is also in the process of considering offers of financial aid from two airline alliances.
Delta and SkyTeam have offered a $1 billion financing package to JAL to persuade it to switch alliances.
American Airlines, Oneworld and private investment firm TPG said last week it was prepared to invest up to $1.4 billion in JAL, sweetening its previous $1.1 billion offer.
Delta Air Lines and SkyTeam say it is "ready to provide assistance and support in any way possible" to JAL.
"Delta fully expects that JAL, with the support of ETIC, will be successful in its restructuring and return the airline to a position of prominence," it says.
As I said, never think that it cannot happen here. It is my personal opinion that most airlines will go through this sooner or later.
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Duh, do you really think the big guns on the top floor want to hear from a grunt like myself? The lack of communications from them is a perfect example of exactly what is thought of us. I would stand a better chance of getting President Obama to listen to me than Mr Majali since he is already so sure of himself that he must obviously be in a complete state of denial. The so called rescue plan(it may well be that the only real plan is to rescue his bank account) changes day by day so what kind of aviation guru do you think your man is now? As to "hoping" that word was stricken from my vocabulary a long long time ago.
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Granted it was a bit tongue n cheek. Open door policy, apparently NOT.
And you say "your" man, uh NOT. I drive for another operator.
But it is a sad state of affairs when you are crapped on from all the way up the Chain of command. Bummer to say the least.
And you say "your" man, uh NOT. I drive for another operator.
But it is a sad state of affairs when you are crapped on from all the way up the Chain of command. Bummer to say the least.
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A few months ago, a few of the "grunts" received a "friendly reminder" from middle management that it is inappropriate to communicate to Mr. Majali directly. If you have any grievances, thoughts, anecdotes, suggestions, etc. . . communicate them to your immediate supervisor for further action. While it effectively snuffs out participation and communciation, it also maintains a power-distance between the sheiks and serfs.
Without wanting to be negative, it is a key factor of the malaise that is unfortunately affecting Gulf Air.
OK, how is any kind of turn-around strategy going to work without engaging the employees? Better communication is required and we need it From the Top!
Without wanting to be negative, it is a key factor of the malaise that is unfortunately affecting Gulf Air.
OK, how is any kind of turn-around strategy going to work without engaging the employees? Better communication is required and we need it From the Top!
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picture this, expat f/os at gf.
1. silence from the top.
2. more silence from the top.
3. half hearted attempts by a few local pilot friends that it will all be ok.
4. silence from the top.
5. half hearted attempts from fleet office to pretend plan is in progress.
6. silence from the top.
7. you get TOLD to move DOWN to the a320 fleet or the e-jet fleet.
8. silence from the top.
9. fleet office tells you command delayed by 3 to 5 years because 'wetleased' jordanians have been given permanent contracts and/or gf captains over 60 get 5 more years on the e-jets.
10. silence from the top.
11. neighbouring airlines stop hiring.
12. friends who left for neighbouring airlines get their commands on widebody.
13. gf asks for voluntary paycuts.
14. silence from the top.
15. gf still bleeding money because corruption and bad planning STILL rampant.
16. gf gets another ceo, fifth in five years.
17. silence from the top.
18. fleet office changes seniority rules to push 'bahrainisation'.
19. fleet size shrinks including tuktuks and jungle jets.
20. no warning, letter from the top terminating your contract without as much as a thankyou for wasting your life on gf.
21. you leave in denial, demoted, disgruntled, deflated, demoralised, and devastated for being that stupid fool that allowed gf to dance all over and wasted years of your career.
22. silence from the top.
1. silence from the top.
2. more silence from the top.
3. half hearted attempts by a few local pilot friends that it will all be ok.
4. silence from the top.
5. half hearted attempts from fleet office to pretend plan is in progress.
6. silence from the top.
7. you get TOLD to move DOWN to the a320 fleet or the e-jet fleet.
8. silence from the top.
9. fleet office tells you command delayed by 3 to 5 years because 'wetleased' jordanians have been given permanent contracts and/or gf captains over 60 get 5 more years on the e-jets.
10. silence from the top.
11. neighbouring airlines stop hiring.
12. friends who left for neighbouring airlines get their commands on widebody.
13. gf asks for voluntary paycuts.
14. silence from the top.
15. gf still bleeding money because corruption and bad planning STILL rampant.
16. gf gets another ceo, fifth in five years.
17. silence from the top.
18. fleet office changes seniority rules to push 'bahrainisation'.
19. fleet size shrinks including tuktuks and jungle jets.
20. no warning, letter from the top terminating your contract without as much as a thankyou for wasting your life on gf.
21. you leave in denial, demoted, disgruntled, deflated, demoralised, and devastated for being that stupid fool that allowed gf to dance all over and wasted years of your career.
22. silence from the top.
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In regards to points 9 and 12.... When the decision was made to bring in the "short-term "contract Captains for the SQ A340s many experienced FOs left for Emirates and Dragonair. Most of them are now Widebody Captains and some are even TREs. It's very likely GF will repeat this exercise with the Regional Jet.
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Gulf Air introduces web check-in | ArabianSupplyChain.com
I must say this is a move the right direction. Now, for the revenue, marketing and commercial sections and to get rid of all those blood sucking travel agents.......
Gulf Air has launched web check-in for the first time.
The technology also enables advanced seat selection for passengers.
Gulf Air passengers flying from Bahrain can now check in online at gulfair.com by selecting the “Check-in” tab on the homepage 24 hours in advance and up to 90 minutes before the scheduled departure of their Gulf Air flight.
They can also choose a seat using the online interactive seat map, change their seat, and print their boarding pass before arriving at the airport.
The service enables passengers travelling with no baggage to proceed directly to the boarding gate.
For passengers with check-in baggage, dedicated ‘Web Check-in Baggage drop’ counters have been created at the airport.
The web check-in service is currently available for departures from Bahrain and will be rolled out across the rest of the Gulf Air network over the coming weeks. Initially launched in English, the service will also be available in Arabic from April onwards.
Gulf Air CEO Samer Majali, said: “Web check-in is an important addition to the Gulf Air travel experience we offer our customers and we are prioritising rolling out the service across our network as quickly as possible.
“As we celebrate the airline’s 60th anniversary this year and look ahead to the next 60, we will continue to live up to our pioneering legacy and work hard to improve our customers experience with the introduction of even more exciting and innovative products that meet our customer’s needs as well as deliver value.”
The technology also enables advanced seat selection for passengers.
Gulf Air passengers flying from Bahrain can now check in online at gulfair.com by selecting the “Check-in” tab on the homepage 24 hours in advance and up to 90 minutes before the scheduled departure of their Gulf Air flight.
They can also choose a seat using the online interactive seat map, change their seat, and print their boarding pass before arriving at the airport.
The service enables passengers travelling with no baggage to proceed directly to the boarding gate.
For passengers with check-in baggage, dedicated ‘Web Check-in Baggage drop’ counters have been created at the airport.
The web check-in service is currently available for departures from Bahrain and will be rolled out across the rest of the Gulf Air network over the coming weeks. Initially launched in English, the service will also be available in Arabic from April onwards.
Gulf Air CEO Samer Majali, said: “Web check-in is an important addition to the Gulf Air travel experience we offer our customers and we are prioritising rolling out the service across our network as quickly as possible.
“As we celebrate the airline’s 60th anniversary this year and look ahead to the next 60, we will continue to live up to our pioneering legacy and work hard to improve our customers experience with the introduction of even more exciting and innovative products that meet our customer’s needs as well as deliver value.”
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GF. The best airline that was.
GF. The best that was.
Gulf Air in the seventies and early eighties was the most enjoyable airline to work for and passengers to fly with, second to none, left the rest way behind and those words or the like were regularly voiced by pax. The International awards were to cement the airlines service up there for the followers to try and reach.
The flight is only as good as the service and how it is given.
If a company gets it's selection and recruitment right, the stars shine bright.
Unfortunately where there is good there is bad.
Too many had their hands into the GF purse, soon the books balanced no more, that being only part of the ongoing problems of a once great airline.
Initially it was Emirates which began the head hunting from GF which was excelling with its team and then the emerging Gulf airlines needing proven stars.
To say that Gulf Air do not rate now is fair comment, one could not say it before as the babies of the Gulf airlines did not exist, it was in the main GF stars that lit their lights.
In it's day it was the leader.
Gulf Air in the seventies and early eighties was the most enjoyable airline to work for and passengers to fly with, second to none, left the rest way behind and those words or the like were regularly voiced by pax. The International awards were to cement the airlines service up there for the followers to try and reach.
The flight is only as good as the service and how it is given.
If a company gets it's selection and recruitment right, the stars shine bright.
Unfortunately where there is good there is bad.
Too many had their hands into the GF purse, soon the books balanced no more, that being only part of the ongoing problems of a once great airline.
Initially it was Emirates which began the head hunting from GF which was excelling with its team and then the emerging Gulf airlines needing proven stars.
To say that Gulf Air do not rate now is fair comment, one could not say it before as the babies of the Gulf airlines did not exist, it was in the main GF stars that lit their lights.
In it's day it was the leader.
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Gulf Air's demise has been through a long period of time and it is sad to see the state of affairs that we have at the moment, both in staff morale and company deterioration.
The general consensus from all is that the situation had to be rectified in order to make a sustainable airline and the measure has been put in place with the appointment of a new CEO to do the required job.
Some may state that the plans that have been put into place through the appointment of the new CEO are not justified because of the fact that bahrain needs to be in the A-list of contenders for the region. Some may state that the measures have been put in place and gives the carrier the best chance to succeed in the future. Some may state that a combination of all measures should be put into place to deal with the crisis that not only gulf air is putting in place but other carriers around the region and the world to combat the sad state of affairs that was not just bought into face from the collapse of the world economy but had been there for a while and nobody intervened.
As harsh as it is to say but may be the world economy collapse was a good thing for the world so that companies could shake up their act and for them to realise the harsh situations that the companies are really in.
All of my comments are not going to suit everyone but the comments which I am going to make sit me on the border in relation to expansion and contraction.
I believe that as most have said Gulf Air cannot be the glory that it once was before, but that does not stop it from becoming an airline where people take pride in who they work for. The reduction of staff that is going to happen from JAL collapse, is a true reminder of what can happen to any airline throughout the world and has happened many time last year and I am sure more to go in the future. What makes JAL special is the fact that they are a private entity originally set up as a public entity and the staff that are involved in the airline take pride in working for them. May be this is the true spirit and culture of the japenese nation.
The airline does need to contract yes, but it also needs to expand in other areas. I am not just talking about going down the regional jet route I am talking widebody expansion and narrow body expansion as well as regional jet expansion.
The regional jet has many pro's and many con's. Many of the con's are through either the staff (pilots) fear of flying the aircraft because it is smaller than the 320, or the reputation that bahrain has the smallest aircraft in the region. None of these are valid points surely a reduction of passenger capactity on a given route should justify flying a smaller aircraft for cost saving measures. Well I think so! Yes it is a smaller aircraft and given some some new regional routes ie. into unknown parts of saudi and amongst other destination I am sure that it will do well and save money where the flying of a bigger aircraft would be more of a hindrance in cost.
The 320's are to be increased in fleet size well this makes sense as well given that some routes have bigger passenger number then the regional jet could hold plus there is cargo hold for extra baggage as well.
Wide bosy aircraft should not be contracted apart from the 340's we should keep at least 10- 15 330's as we have routes that are good routes on this that has the demand for this type of airraft.
So you can see from my points that I am sitting on the edge for both sides.
But what really needs to take place is massive restructuring of the company and taking advatage of the routes that either we operate or other companies operate to destination wise on increased capacity and maximising it to the full potential. Gulf air cannot hope to increase its passenger capacity by promotional offers etc its service compared to other carrier does not justify the cost, but it can take other passengers from other carriers by introducing the same service and flying with maximum capacity for that route thereby not operating as a loss on that sector.
Plans I would out in place:
1) Learn the structure of the organization.
2) Set up task force to audit and interview every employee within every department at home and outstation bases to learn their specific role with what their tasks to the organization are.
3) Review the results and increase productivity person to person by adding responsibility to each job role through reductions in staff levels however with the possibility of adding other job roles within the department.
4) Introduce stricter guidelines to working hours in line with other western countries including clock in clock out cards for every employee per department for check in and out and lunch and tea breaks with time to be allocated, introduce no mobile phone usage at work unless in an emergency or used in the allocated breaks, introduce increased salary based on performance with two appraisals a year per employee, introduce reduced sick pay days with incentives for employees who do not use any sick days in the year to gain benefits.
5) Set up task force to retrieve and report on a weekly basis via presentation of the passenger loads with gulf air per destination per day with same comparison to be taken from all the other airlines operating in and out of Bahrain, with task force set up at other bases to access information from all the other carriers that gulf air is competing with on the routes covered and not covered by gulf air to see the opportunity of other destinations.
6) All stations at home or outstation bases to have maximum turnaround time of 45 minutes per narrow body and 1 hour per wide body.
7) Review the productivity of BAS and other ground handling agents at home and outstation bases and procedures used to execute delivery of service including passenger, freight and baggage deliverance to the set flight. Introduce stricter guidelines in regard to closing of check in desks and closure of boarding gates. If review not satisfactory then implement other measures at home base or outstation bases to either set up gulf air brand handling service at home base or change handling agent.
8) Disable the positions of sky chef and sky nanny, keep the positions of FA, FJ, CS and CSM. Reduce to the minimum crew required on narrow body fleet (1 per 50), allow extra crew for wide body.
9) Review meals service guidelines with review of meals provided for all flights by necessitating measures to cut work loads of staff of on narrow body sectors however keeping full service carrier. Review drinks carriage to revert to small cans or small unit bottles to cut down staff workloads.
10) Maximize all pilots on to ensure that all pilots are doing minimum of 70 hours per month.
There are many more that need to be put in place but this is just a handful.
Please someone in management do something, at least communicate what is happening not just another letter to the pilots the problem really does not stem from there it stems from deeper inside.
Thanks all
The general consensus from all is that the situation had to be rectified in order to make a sustainable airline and the measure has been put in place with the appointment of a new CEO to do the required job.
Some may state that the plans that have been put into place through the appointment of the new CEO are not justified because of the fact that bahrain needs to be in the A-list of contenders for the region. Some may state that the measures have been put in place and gives the carrier the best chance to succeed in the future. Some may state that a combination of all measures should be put into place to deal with the crisis that not only gulf air is putting in place but other carriers around the region and the world to combat the sad state of affairs that was not just bought into face from the collapse of the world economy but had been there for a while and nobody intervened.
As harsh as it is to say but may be the world economy collapse was a good thing for the world so that companies could shake up their act and for them to realise the harsh situations that the companies are really in.
All of my comments are not going to suit everyone but the comments which I am going to make sit me on the border in relation to expansion and contraction.
I believe that as most have said Gulf Air cannot be the glory that it once was before, but that does not stop it from becoming an airline where people take pride in who they work for. The reduction of staff that is going to happen from JAL collapse, is a true reminder of what can happen to any airline throughout the world and has happened many time last year and I am sure more to go in the future. What makes JAL special is the fact that they are a private entity originally set up as a public entity and the staff that are involved in the airline take pride in working for them. May be this is the true spirit and culture of the japenese nation.
The airline does need to contract yes, but it also needs to expand in other areas. I am not just talking about going down the regional jet route I am talking widebody expansion and narrow body expansion as well as regional jet expansion.
The regional jet has many pro's and many con's. Many of the con's are through either the staff (pilots) fear of flying the aircraft because it is smaller than the 320, or the reputation that bahrain has the smallest aircraft in the region. None of these are valid points surely a reduction of passenger capactity on a given route should justify flying a smaller aircraft for cost saving measures. Well I think so! Yes it is a smaller aircraft and given some some new regional routes ie. into unknown parts of saudi and amongst other destination I am sure that it will do well and save money where the flying of a bigger aircraft would be more of a hindrance in cost.
The 320's are to be increased in fleet size well this makes sense as well given that some routes have bigger passenger number then the regional jet could hold plus there is cargo hold for extra baggage as well.
Wide bosy aircraft should not be contracted apart from the 340's we should keep at least 10- 15 330's as we have routes that are good routes on this that has the demand for this type of airraft.
So you can see from my points that I am sitting on the edge for both sides.
But what really needs to take place is massive restructuring of the company and taking advatage of the routes that either we operate or other companies operate to destination wise on increased capacity and maximising it to the full potential. Gulf air cannot hope to increase its passenger capacity by promotional offers etc its service compared to other carrier does not justify the cost, but it can take other passengers from other carriers by introducing the same service and flying with maximum capacity for that route thereby not operating as a loss on that sector.
Plans I would out in place:
1) Learn the structure of the organization.
2) Set up task force to audit and interview every employee within every department at home and outstation bases to learn their specific role with what their tasks to the organization are.
3) Review the results and increase productivity person to person by adding responsibility to each job role through reductions in staff levels however with the possibility of adding other job roles within the department.
4) Introduce stricter guidelines to working hours in line with other western countries including clock in clock out cards for every employee per department for check in and out and lunch and tea breaks with time to be allocated, introduce no mobile phone usage at work unless in an emergency or used in the allocated breaks, introduce increased salary based on performance with two appraisals a year per employee, introduce reduced sick pay days with incentives for employees who do not use any sick days in the year to gain benefits.
5) Set up task force to retrieve and report on a weekly basis via presentation of the passenger loads with gulf air per destination per day with same comparison to be taken from all the other airlines operating in and out of Bahrain, with task force set up at other bases to access information from all the other carriers that gulf air is competing with on the routes covered and not covered by gulf air to see the opportunity of other destinations.
6) All stations at home or outstation bases to have maximum turnaround time of 45 minutes per narrow body and 1 hour per wide body.
7) Review the productivity of BAS and other ground handling agents at home and outstation bases and procedures used to execute delivery of service including passenger, freight and baggage deliverance to the set flight. Introduce stricter guidelines in regard to closing of check in desks and closure of boarding gates. If review not satisfactory then implement other measures at home base or outstation bases to either set up gulf air brand handling service at home base or change handling agent.
8) Disable the positions of sky chef and sky nanny, keep the positions of FA, FJ, CS and CSM. Reduce to the minimum crew required on narrow body fleet (1 per 50), allow extra crew for wide body.
9) Review meals service guidelines with review of meals provided for all flights by necessitating measures to cut work loads of staff of on narrow body sectors however keeping full service carrier. Review drinks carriage to revert to small cans or small unit bottles to cut down staff workloads.
10) Maximize all pilots on to ensure that all pilots are doing minimum of 70 hours per month.
There are many more that need to be put in place but this is just a handful.
Please someone in management do something, at least communicate what is happening not just another letter to the pilots the problem really does not stem from there it stems from deeper inside.
Thanks all
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you sounds like u are thinking outershell. only point i have is decreasing cabin crew is a bad idea. we require a high level of service and thus requiring more cabin crew. on this note we have to make sure what we are getting are all at a top level. the sky chefs basically cost the same amount as a regular cs so whats the point of binning them? anyways all seems well in our little dream world this will not happen. talk and more talk is the norm
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DesertHawk, Thanks for you response.
You are right, the company should be increasing its level of service and correct in saying that this may not be the case if like the one of the points in the the plan that I would implement would mean leaving the number s in the cabin down.
However the minimum required that I am suggesting for 320 flights should be 4 and of course maximum current configuration 5 but maybe required in some circumstances depending on the flights. I know the guys and girls in the back work very hard not all of them nationality dependent.
Regarding getting rid of sky chefs, your right they get paid practically about the same anyway, but have you ever tried asking a sky chef to adopt a different position on the aircraft? The chances are that they will not know where to find the kit and know the duties that are required. Ok you could say all is required is training ot bring them up to speed. I am good with that but take their position away and put to a cabin position.
If they are sky chefs they should have a passion for either 1 cooking in which case why are are they here when their skills are going down hill and I am know for a fact that they could earn more outside of the company then in the company. Or 2 they like traveling and the thrill of working with an airline with all of the temptations around!
Either way GF does not need them as their role but put them in another role if they would like to go then your right you do not need to get rid of the staff member just the position.
One of the other reasons that I responding is that why do we all including me have this attitude of it will never happen. Of course we all know that but how about we formulate plans to turn around this airline and present it to them of the ideas that we all share.
WE ALL MUST BE SCARED OF THE CONSEQUENCES BUT WHY SHOULD WE AS WE ARE NOT DOWNING THEIR PLANS JUST AIDING!
That is the sad bit from all of us.
Thanks ALL
You are right, the company should be increasing its level of service and correct in saying that this may not be the case if like the one of the points in the the plan that I would implement would mean leaving the number s in the cabin down.
However the minimum required that I am suggesting for 320 flights should be 4 and of course maximum current configuration 5 but maybe required in some circumstances depending on the flights. I know the guys and girls in the back work very hard not all of them nationality dependent.
Regarding getting rid of sky chefs, your right they get paid practically about the same anyway, but have you ever tried asking a sky chef to adopt a different position on the aircraft? The chances are that they will not know where to find the kit and know the duties that are required. Ok you could say all is required is training ot bring them up to speed. I am good with that but take their position away and put to a cabin position.
If they are sky chefs they should have a passion for either 1 cooking in which case why are are they here when their skills are going down hill and I am know for a fact that they could earn more outside of the company then in the company. Or 2 they like traveling and the thrill of working with an airline with all of the temptations around!
Either way GF does not need them as their role but put them in another role if they would like to go then your right you do not need to get rid of the staff member just the position.
One of the other reasons that I responding is that why do we all including me have this attitude of it will never happen. Of course we all know that but how about we formulate plans to turn around this airline and present it to them of the ideas that we all share.
WE ALL MUST BE SCARED OF THE CONSEQUENCES BUT WHY SHOULD WE AS WE ARE NOT DOWNING THEIR PLANS JUST AIDING!
That is the sad bit from all of us.
Thanks ALL
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On a different note, i've heard that the first Embraer is here. Now whether to stay or just for the airshow, God knows.
I have seen the pilots that were supposed to be on the first batch of the Embraer course and they still dont know what is going on. They dont know when they're going for their course..
Does anyone here know the story or can someone pls shed some light....
On a different note, i've heard that the first Embraer is here. Now whether to stay or just for the airshow, God knows.
I have seen the pilots that were supposed to be on the first batch of the Embraer course and they still dont know what is going on. They dont know when they're going for their course..
Does anyone here know the story or can someone pls shed some light....