Gulf Air Developments
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ok Global let me have a Guess!
So you are not a pilot and not a gulf air staff but still love Majali....Hmm
so you must be one of those consultant that we see in costa coffee every day who are paid milloions to come up with the brilliant plan of opening 20 new destinations with out carrying out a single study on any.
or I could be wrong, you could be our new embrare sales agent.Did you know that your airplane designer forgot to put cargo holds in your cheap aircraft so no wonder its cheap to run with 5 tons of max payload.
your full of wisdom post is not new as most of us had the exact same sentiments, but we were wrong so you are too.
So you are not a pilot and not a gulf air staff but still love Majali....Hmm
so you must be one of those consultant that we see in costa coffee every day who are paid milloions to come up with the brilliant plan of opening 20 new destinations with out carrying out a single study on any.
or I could be wrong, you could be our new embrare sales agent.Did you know that your airplane designer forgot to put cargo holds in your cheap aircraft so no wonder its cheap to run with 5 tons of max payload.
your full of wisdom post is not new as most of us had the exact same sentiments, but we were wrong so you are too.
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If you knew what you were talking about my old son you'de be dangerous, just another one of those know-it-all tossers who cost GF millions.
Majali has got is head up his a
se and all the cronies are running around like headless chickens. No one knows what the F@@k is happening, today's plan is tomorrow's fck up and round and round we go till the airline is driven to the ground. Majali's plan will nail the lid on GF's coffin once and for all. It's not a recovery plan lads it's an obituary, the patient died a long time ago. He was sucked dry
If you knew what you were talking about my old son you'de be dangerous, just another one of those know-it-all tossers who cost GF millions.
Majali has got is head up his a
se and all the cronies are running around like headless chickens. No one knows what the F@@k is happening, today's plan is tomorrow's fck up and round and round we go till the airline is driven to the ground. Majali's plan will nail the lid on GF's coffin once and for all. It's not a recovery plan lads it's an obituary, the patient died a long time ago. He was sucked dry
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so sad so see that we brought in A SO CALLED AVIATION EXPERT to bury us alive. I like others, was decieved by Majali, that Gulf Air would stand on it's feet and regain part of it's glory and the great reputation it once had. Very obvious now that we have knelt down furthermore. Never in all these years in GF, have i witnessed the morale of my friends and colleagues rock bottom. I can clearly see myself packing my bags in the very near future, heading off to a greener pasture...Shame..
.Shame...Shame....
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Gentlemen,
being a fellow pilot as the most of you here, I have to agree that the necessary direction in which the company must head to, will have adverse affects on our careers.
Our desires and aspirations within this company, I hate to say, has no part whatsoever in the recovery of the airline. We all want to fly to new places with new aircraft. But I don't think Gulf Air can sustain this any longer without jeopardising the economy and the future of the next generation of Bahrainis. Many countries have been humbled by the poor running of their flag carriers. Bahrain is no different.
GlobalFlyer
I am sorry to say that I will be agreeing with GlobalFlyer with this one. We must all stop being in denial and face reality. GlobalFlyer was verbally attacked and accused without any of his/her statements taken on board. This sure sounds like denial on our part. This is completely natural. It has happened many times to many airlines before and it will happen again.
I thought I'd never say this but if anyone is no longer comfortable with their positions in Gulf Air or the direction in which Gulf Air is heading, we must be completely clear that our personal futures are completely in our own hands and are our own responsibilities.
Blue side up.
being a fellow pilot as the most of you here, I have to agree that the necessary direction in which the company must head to, will have adverse affects on our careers.
Our desires and aspirations within this company, I hate to say, has no part whatsoever in the recovery of the airline. We all want to fly to new places with new aircraft. But I don't think Gulf Air can sustain this any longer without jeopardising the economy and the future of the next generation of Bahrainis. Many countries have been humbled by the poor running of their flag carriers. Bahrain is no different.
GlobalFlyer
....REAL plan that requires pride to be let go, sacrifices and yes, a LOT of lay offs involving some of the disgruntled people on this board.
I thought I'd never say this but if anyone is no longer comfortable with their positions in Gulf Air or the direction in which Gulf Air is heading, we must be completely clear that our personal futures are completely in our own hands and are our own responsibilities.
Blue side up.
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More disgruntled comments
Thanks S-ale.
As for all the other allegations concerning me. Let me start by saying no, I don't work for any GF consultant, nor do I work in the aviation industry! So I guess this could possibly calm you down here.
What is obvious on this message board is that a lot of disgruntled staff who know nothing about the airline business seem to think they should take over the airline's management and repositioning exercise.
Others it seems only moan and bi*ch constantly without ever suggesting commercially viable and well thought-out strategies.
One of you has correctly stated that Gulf Air is in fact DEAD commercially speaking. As such, you could say that Majali's plan is an attempt to resucitate the airline. I don't see how going on with business as usual in some of your views (fleet mix, staff numbers, same network) will lead to greener pastures.
Peace
As for all the other allegations concerning me. Let me start by saying no, I don't work for any GF consultant, nor do I work in the aviation industry! So I guess this could possibly calm you down here.
What is obvious on this message board is that a lot of disgruntled staff who know nothing about the airline business seem to think they should take over the airline's management and repositioning exercise.
Others it seems only moan and bi*ch constantly without ever suggesting commercially viable and well thought-out strategies.
One of you has correctly stated that Gulf Air is in fact DEAD commercially speaking. As such, you could say that Majali's plan is an attempt to resucitate the airline. I don't see how going on with business as usual in some of your views (fleet mix, staff numbers, same network) will lead to greener pastures.
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Sal-e you're a Beep beep too, no questions asked
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Well excuse me Mr Airline specialist, we've only been in this buisness for 34 years so I guess that that makes you who
know a lot more from the Airline business than we do.
I could come up with a better growth plan for this airline if was blindfolded, drunk and had a death wish.
Who the hell are you kidding mate here. We can actually see right through your dumb comments.
GF
What is obvious on this message board is that a lot of disgruntled staff who know nothing about the airline business seem to think they should take over the airline's management and repositioning exercise.
Look people, I don't work for Gulf Air, never have. In fact, I'm not a pilot
I could come up with a better growth plan for this airline if was blindfolded, drunk and had a death wish.
Who the hell are you kidding mate here. We can actually see right through your dumb comments.
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Please allow me to state the obvious for those who do not know or think they know yet pretend it has not happened.
Gulf Air is and has been the biggest budget mongering airline I have ever seen, nor can it make money, nor can it keep it.
all employees sad to say, do not care, and those who try to are quickly sidelined in favour of nationalisation...
It is indeed sad that an airline with such history and with so many great people, has failed with the wrong management, the wrong policies and no strategy.
So in light of the competition in the region, where do you expect it to go?
Gulf Air is and has been the biggest budget mongering airline I have ever seen, nor can it make money, nor can it keep it.
all employees sad to say, do not care, and those who try to are quickly sidelined in favour of nationalisation...
It is indeed sad that an airline with such history and with so many great people, has failed with the wrong management, the wrong policies and no strategy.
So in light of the competition in the region, where do you expect it to go?
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WOW, Globalflyer makes some of the most rational thoughts and expressions and gets a lynching to boot. I guess the truth really does hurt. I suggest some folks suck it up and get comfortable with the prospects of flying little airplanes around the Sand Pit.
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Solution?
I m not an expert in management, but i think the ONLY solution is not to try to compete with this middle-east over-saturated market. Due to Gulfair HEAVY administration structure that is way too costly for the volume of traffic we have, the ONLY solution to this problem WITHOUT laying-off anybody and destroying family lives is to think BIGGER, a reasonable investement for the next 5-10 years to focus on a product specially adapted for BAHRAIN, Gulfair must work on the marketing side, improve his image, open new routes to America,and others... all American boys and girls and private contractor would all fly with us direct to the WEST, without those painfull stops in Quatar, Dubai or Abu Dhabi. Just keep the necessary small body aircraft to feed OUR network and take those WIDE-BODY aircraft FULL of happy passengers being served by the most professional crew to reach there destination safely in the easiest way.
Hire employees dedicated to the succes of the company.
Stop dealing with crooks.
Hire pilots that will save money (operation wise) that require skills and experience.
Hire cabin crew that can do the job properly, that is taking care of the customer, and being able to learn and execute.
Gulfair must understand that the customer is THE most important.
Gulfair must understand that his most important asset is the employees.
So it must treat them good and FAIR, because they are the one spreading the goods or the bads about the company, they are the company mirror...
These days you can you hear? Gulfair is this , Gulfair is that...people complaining, this has to stop.
My honest advice to become a WINNER again.
Cheers and good luck to all !
Hire employees dedicated to the succes of the company.
Stop dealing with crooks.
Hire pilots that will save money (operation wise) that require skills and experience.
Hire cabin crew that can do the job properly, that is taking care of the customer, and being able to learn and execute.
Gulfair must understand that the customer is THE most important.
Gulfair must understand that his most important asset is the employees.
So it must treat them good and FAIR, because they are the one spreading the goods or the bads about the company, they are the company mirror...
These days you can you hear? Gulfair is this , Gulfair is that...people complaining, this has to stop.
My honest advice to become a WINNER again.
Cheers and good luck to all !
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but I think the ONLY solution is not to try to compete with this middle-east over-saturated market
GlobalFlyer- if you are who you say you are, then you have no vested interest either way in the future of Gulf Air. All the more reason for me take my hat off to show my respect for your observations, which even though I don't like the bad news and would like to hear a more rosy prognosis, I respect as being a fair assessment. I am reminded about the analogy of "the Sermon that you like best is probably the one that will do you the least amount of good." It is why I have said that I don't know whether the airline is cursed or a basket case. I am already sick and tired of every single CEO who comes in with a plan that doesn't spell expansion or the acquisition of 777's, A380's or 747's automatically being labeled a crook. Who wants to even touch such a venomous organization?
I don’t like what is happening with my career either, but that is beside the point. Each and every one of us knew that we were not joining a heavyweight the likes of Emirates or Qatar Airways when we joined Gulf Air. This may well be the second large airline that I lose my job from due to economic circumstances—ironically, the first time around, during the first day of my new-hire class we were told “you guys are at the right time at the right place! We are going to grow, lots of new equipment. . . your careers will be on an elevator ride upwards!” Not even six months later there were rumors of lay-offs, and 2 years later the company filed for bankruptcy protection, I was out on the street, and the house was up for sale. Been there, done that. It isn’t pretty for anybody and I keep my resume up-to-date.
GlobalFlyer, Sal-e, Duh . . . and a few others. Wash off the feathers and tar. Your eloquent comments and observations, whilst not appreciated by all, are logical, valid and given some of the crap written on this thread, rather refreshing. Things are going to get worse before they get better.
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WHY FIGHTING.? nobody listens, best thing start polishing your C V AND GET OUT OF HERE.thats is a free advise, the GF dream is not and will not happen, last one switch the lights off please.
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not the first, not the last......
"This airline did not die due to non viable commercial moves, it died because of corruption, neglect and outright good old fashioned thievery.... you forgot to mention nepotism.....This Toy is going to save GF and take the market share from these guys..... told you that those brazilian jets are defective!"
May all the above affirmatives to be correct, may be not.
Gulf Air has a history yes, but many other airlines with bright histories have died during the slow process to absorb changes needed. To change and get rid of old habits pointed out above, is extremely dangerous and sad. Many people get used to the benefits only, and don't want to have open hands and minds to put efforts and make the company survive.
Looking from outside, the history repeats itself... always... a change in attitude is needed specially from those insiders that do not care or do not believe in a different fate.
GF is squeezed among big airlines from countries with bigger governmental resources to keep them, not only because they are profitable, Companies that serve as backbones to small states sharing jobs and globalization, developing business around it.
GF needs of course to change the focus of operation and rationalization, bringing embraer's... let's say.... 195's they can use the traffic offered in the middle east in better way, i don't want to compare Embraer's, Boeings, or Airbuses... they are made for different markets, but the jungle jet is affordable, safe, efficient and cheap... with good break even. Come on people, The CEO of Gulf Air is dealing with really bad stuff... just read at the top of this message. Many others will try to take the guy off GF.
Good luck
Duster
May all the above affirmatives to be correct, may be not.
Gulf Air has a history yes, but many other airlines with bright histories have died during the slow process to absorb changes needed. To change and get rid of old habits pointed out above, is extremely dangerous and sad. Many people get used to the benefits only, and don't want to have open hands and minds to put efforts and make the company survive.
Looking from outside, the history repeats itself... always... a change in attitude is needed specially from those insiders that do not care or do not believe in a different fate.
GF is squeezed among big airlines from countries with bigger governmental resources to keep them, not only because they are profitable, Companies that serve as backbones to small states sharing jobs and globalization, developing business around it.
GF needs of course to change the focus of operation and rationalization, bringing embraer's... let's say.... 195's they can use the traffic offered in the middle east in better way, i don't want to compare Embraer's, Boeings, or Airbuses... they are made for different markets, but the jungle jet is affordable, safe, efficient and cheap... with good break even. Come on people, The CEO of Gulf Air is dealing with really bad stuff... just read at the top of this message. Many others will try to take the guy off GF.
Good luck
Duster
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