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What's the status of GF's flights that were temporarily cancelled due to the political unrest earlier this year? Has the full schedule been resumed yet?
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GF an airline that is bleeding money!
For the new hires with a type rating, the bond is a way to absorb money from the new ones. They will make you sign the bond and obviously within a few weeks you realize it was better remaining at your previous company or joining the neighbors , when you want to leave they will reduce the bond as to where you think it would be feasible to pay the bond and join QR , EY , EK or even Fly Dubai!
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"Gentlemen In the light of this unfotunate and unforseen(by the management only) occurance I would like recommend few points:
1. Some one from management becomes man enough to hand over his resignation.
2. Over haul the ever going down training department.
3. Use of thurst Reversers in all weather conditions
4. Review the upgrade policy.
Why? The Captain was experienced enough
5. No requirement to file an ASR for diversion and Go arounds.
6. Increase the blue line requirements.
Same as for nr.4
7. Cancel the Mix fleet flying.
None of the crew of 270 were qualified for mix fleet
8. All Subcontinent flights will not be preceeded by additional sectors.
9. There must be a cap on maximum numbers of night turn arounds per line.
10. Intensive training on Runway Excursions.
Please Feel free to add your inputs, While management are busy in refining the seat belt recycleing procedure."
Everything else you can submit to the office
1. Some one from management becomes man enough to hand over his resignation.
2. Over haul the ever going down training department.
3. Use of thurst Reversers in all weather conditions
4. Review the upgrade policy.
Why? The Captain was experienced enough
5. No requirement to file an ASR for diversion and Go arounds.
6. Increase the blue line requirements.
Same as for nr.4
7. Cancel the Mix fleet flying.
None of the crew of 270 were qualified for mix fleet
8. All Subcontinent flights will not be preceeded by additional sectors.
9. There must be a cap on maximum numbers of night turn arounds per line.
10. Intensive training on Runway Excursions.
Please Feel free to add your inputs, While management are busy in refining the seat belt recycleing procedure."
Everything else you can submit to the office
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business for dummy's.....
According to reliable sources a.a. has come up with a brilliant idea to save more money and secure his bonus... (already being implemented).
Stop upgrading your own people, as training costs a lot of money and only hire Direct Entry Captains.
Probably forgetting that training DEC's also takes 2-3 weeks of admin days and ground school followed by 3-4 weeks of simulator and line training, but more importantly that by effectively destroying carreer prospects for F/O's the resignations and costs of training for replacement F/O's.
F/O's that you are going to have to train to captain at same point anyway, therefore you're NOT SAVING ANYTHING. It's just a short term fix that saves money for a very short period of time, but COSTS MORE IN THE LONG RUN and destroys CREW MORALE!
That's what you get if you hire people for management functions with no degree in management or business!
Stop upgrading your own people, as training costs a lot of money and only hire Direct Entry Captains.
Probably forgetting that training DEC's also takes 2-3 weeks of admin days and ground school followed by 3-4 weeks of simulator and line training, but more importantly that by effectively destroying carreer prospects for F/O's the resignations and costs of training for replacement F/O's.
F/O's that you are going to have to train to captain at same point anyway, therefore you're NOT SAVING ANYTHING. It's just a short term fix that saves money for a very short period of time, but COSTS MORE IN THE LONG RUN and destroys CREW MORALE!
That's what you get if you hire people for management functions with no degree in management or business!
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won't happen aeroforce, the local f/o's have or are going to have options very soon, this ain't gf 95 when you joined as a local and realized you will be occupying the right for 10 years...ie more airlines in the gulf requiring pilots, with asia already being a big vacuum for expat pilots here. as for the dude's earlier asking if the f/o and cmd are locals...irrelevant lads, know both the guys... and GF has decided that they are competent to fill in their seats, not I or you. I notice a lot of new nick's on here, assuming that they are a few new emb joiners...very opinionated individuals, hope you guys enjoy GF in the right seat of the 320 when that time comes
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OK. Allow me to toss in a few of my own. The investigation has only begun but evidently, you seem to already have the reasons and more importantly, the necessary solutions.
1. Some one from management becomes man enough to hand over his resignation.
Who and, more importantly, why?
2. Over haul the ever going down training department.
Improvement is always good. What do you recommend?
3. Use of thurst Reversers in all weather conditions
Why? Are you also advocating the use of Medium Autobrake regardless of runway length or surface condition? How about TOGA thrust, full length, for all takeoffs? Since you seem uncomfortable with the discretionary use of reverse thrust, you may also wish to review OM-A 8.9.12.15 on the policy regarding the use of reverse thrust to make sure you are using it appropriately. Also, you may wish to do some additional reading on landing on slippery runways. You are probably already aware that there may be cases that you should actually cancel reverse thrust when on a slippery runway.
4. Review the upgrade policy.
Why? The Captain was experienced enough
5. No requirement to file an ASR for diversion and Go arounds.
Management was already ahead of you on this one. There is NO requirement to file an ASR for diversion or go around. The list of mandatory occurances is on the bottom of the back side of the ASR form. Even more information is in OM-A Chapter 11 and OM-A Chapter 2.3
6. Increase the blue line requirements.
Same as for nr.4
7. Cancel the Mix fleet flying.
None of the crew of 270 were qualified for mix fleet
8. All Subcontinent flights will not be preceeded by additional sectors.
Was that a factor in this accident?
9. There must be a cap on maximum numbers of night turn arounds per line.
This was a nightstop flight for the flight deck crew. I would agree, though with your sentiment that Cabin Crew should be kept together with the flight deck crew.
10. Intensive training on Runway Excursions.
Intensive training on this, intensive training on that. Sign up now for the Special High Intensity Training (****). You may be relatively new at Gulf Air but we did have training on excursions and overruns a few years ago. The Training Department seems to try to incorporate lessons learned from incidents/accidents (I expect some stuff from AF447 in the future and probably from this one too). To provide annual intensive training on anything and everything that can go wrong on an airplane is not exactly feasable the Company or trainee. I agree that there is room for more training but I don't really fancy they idea of a month-long Loooooong Event either.
Please Feel free to add your inputs, While management are busy in refining the seat belt recycleing procedure."
I don't have an issue with intelligent discussion on accidents that are based on facts or more importantly, provide constructive solutions based on real data. While some of what you wrote might have a modicum of merit to it, more than anything it sounds like another jab.
More importantly though, if you do have information or suggestions for improvement then why don't you put it in writing to the people on First Floor, Wing A or even schedule a face to face meeting with them? Safety is our responsibility and if you aren't part of the solution then you are part of the problem. I am sure that they can make time for you.
1. Some one from management becomes man enough to hand over his resignation.
Who and, more importantly, why?
2. Over haul the ever going down training department.
Improvement is always good. What do you recommend?
3. Use of thurst Reversers in all weather conditions
Why? Are you also advocating the use of Medium Autobrake regardless of runway length or surface condition? How about TOGA thrust, full length, for all takeoffs? Since you seem uncomfortable with the discretionary use of reverse thrust, you may also wish to review OM-A 8.9.12.15 on the policy regarding the use of reverse thrust to make sure you are using it appropriately. Also, you may wish to do some additional reading on landing on slippery runways. You are probably already aware that there may be cases that you should actually cancel reverse thrust when on a slippery runway.
4. Review the upgrade policy.
Why? The Captain was experienced enough
5. No requirement to file an ASR for diversion and Go arounds.
Management was already ahead of you on this one. There is NO requirement to file an ASR for diversion or go around. The list of mandatory occurances is on the bottom of the back side of the ASR form. Even more information is in OM-A Chapter 11 and OM-A Chapter 2.3
6. Increase the blue line requirements.
Same as for nr.4
7. Cancel the Mix fleet flying.
None of the crew of 270 were qualified for mix fleet
8. All Subcontinent flights will not be preceeded by additional sectors.
Was that a factor in this accident?
9. There must be a cap on maximum numbers of night turn arounds per line.
This was a nightstop flight for the flight deck crew. I would agree, though with your sentiment that Cabin Crew should be kept together with the flight deck crew.
10. Intensive training on Runway Excursions.
Intensive training on this, intensive training on that. Sign up now for the Special High Intensity Training (****). You may be relatively new at Gulf Air but we did have training on excursions and overruns a few years ago. The Training Department seems to try to incorporate lessons learned from incidents/accidents (I expect some stuff from AF447 in the future and probably from this one too). To provide annual intensive training on anything and everything that can go wrong on an airplane is not exactly feasable the Company or trainee. I agree that there is room for more training but I don't really fancy they idea of a month-long Loooooong Event either.
Please Feel free to add your inputs, While management are busy in refining the seat belt recycleing procedure."
I don't have an issue with intelligent discussion on accidents that are based on facts or more importantly, provide constructive solutions based on real data. While some of what you wrote might have a modicum of merit to it, more than anything it sounds like another jab.
More importantly though, if you do have information or suggestions for improvement then why don't you put it in writing to the people on First Floor, Wing A or even schedule a face to face meeting with them? Safety is our responsibility and if you aren't part of the solution then you are part of the problem. I am sure that they can make time for you.
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"This was not the pilots' first time at Kochi and they know the conditions well," said Gulf Air chief operating officer Captain Nasser Al Salmi.
He said the pilot, who is 35, had been with the airline since 2002 and had experience in flying Airbus A320, 330 and 340.
"He has now been a captain for the last 18 months," Capt Al Salmi told a Press conference at the Gulf Air headquarters in Muharraq.
He said the co-pilot, 37, had joined Gulf Air last year and had several years' experience with other airlines.
Gulf Daily News » Local News » Pilots hailed for averting tragedy
Funny, last year there were no direct entry first officers hired.... right???
What was that famous song by Fleetwood Mac again.........
Anyway, all the best to the crew involved difficult times for all of them. Nothing bad to be said about the flight crew either. What's the saying again: any landing you walk away from alive, is a good landing!
Furthermore, we have absolutely no insight in what happened weather wise. Looks like they could have been taken unexpectedly by freak weather. Let's wait for the final report to be published before some of us here pass judgement. I'm sure none of us aim to be involved in a incident or accident and try our best to avoid it!
@bus aviator, it's already being implemented. DEC's are being hired as we speak. Even though Gulf Air has more than 20 F/O's with more than minimum time required and also a lot of Bahraini's that are on the brink of making minimum time... SO why all these DEC's on the 320?! Very shortly you'll see all the command upgrade assessments slow down because of these DEC's and a growing back log of command "ready" f/o's...
Happy landings all
He said the pilot, who is 35, had been with the airline since 2002 and had experience in flying Airbus A320, 330 and 340.
"He has now been a captain for the last 18 months," Capt Al Salmi told a Press conference at the Gulf Air headquarters in Muharraq.
He said the co-pilot, 37, had joined Gulf Air last year and had several years' experience with other airlines.
Gulf Daily News » Local News » Pilots hailed for averting tragedy
Funny, last year there were no direct entry first officers hired.... right???
What was that famous song by Fleetwood Mac again.........
Anyway, all the best to the crew involved difficult times for all of them. Nothing bad to be said about the flight crew either. What's the saying again: any landing you walk away from alive, is a good landing!
Furthermore, we have absolutely no insight in what happened weather wise. Looks like they could have been taken unexpectedly by freak weather. Let's wait for the final report to be published before some of us here pass judgement. I'm sure none of us aim to be involved in a incident or accident and try our best to avoid it!
@bus aviator, it's already being implemented. DEC's are being hired as we speak. Even though Gulf Air has more than 20 F/O's with more than minimum time required and also a lot of Bahraini's that are on the brink of making minimum time... SO why all these DEC's on the 320?! Very shortly you'll see all the command upgrade assessments slow down because of these DEC's and a growing back log of command "ready" f/o's...
Happy landings all
