CAP B767

Randy thanks for your valuable information.
Waiting the assessment for NTR Captain ,Hope to join on first semester next year.
A couple more questions.
Roosters: just 2 days off in a row maximum ?
Vacation: you take the 42 days in a row, or you can take 21 days twice a year?
How much could be the expenses(water, energy, gas,Internet, cable,maintenance) for 2 persons in an apartment
Can I get an apartment 2 bedroom in a nice place for 120000 a year?
Company pays for parking in airport?
Thanks
CAP B767

tothepoint

Transport Jock,

Just re your comments about EK and FZ. Take home pay may not be that much different provided you fly your 80hrs.. but no provident fund at FZ, long term that is a nice to have.
Rosters at EK for longer flights, effectively mean more days off at home or days off to travel. Rosters at FZ are terrible - and that is being nice!!! Can only request 2 days off per month (this may be changing). Majority of rosters now are like a normal working week... 2 off 5 on (75% of flying is late night or early morning)

If you are coming with a family EK package is far more superior for health care, accomm and travel benefits...
Water and Elec bills here are on the rise and so are many other things such as fuel and groceries.

Overall I think many are using FZ as a placement whilst waiting to return off furlough or better jobs to come up.

Capt 767-
Parking at the airport is provided,
check out www dubizzle dot com to see what 120k will get you for rent.

flyermd

guys, at the FZ company presentation they advertised for captains:
basic: 23500
housing:14000
travel 2300 !!!!!!
flying hours :12000
so far everything except travel is the same as some of you said; so, is this 2300 the NEW travel allowance or they were just wrong????
at the final stage of the interview (in DXB) they put you through a medical also? how technical (difficult) is the face-to-face interview?
many thanks!

Old King Coal

flyermd: The package at flydubai has always been made up of the following:

• A fixed monthly Basic Salary.
• A fixed monthly Housing Allowance.
• A fixed monthly Transport Allowance.
• A variable monthly amount for Flight Pay, which is based entirely upon how many Block Hours you achieve in the previous month (the amount being paid monthly in arrears).

Regarding flydubai's projected headline figure for Flight Pay (e.g. 12,000 DHs per month for a Captain).

Having reviewed all of my salary slips (from my previous 29 months as a Captain within flydubai), I can attest that my own reality on Flight Pay is that it has averaged out (for me) as approximately 10,120 Dhs per month... and no matter how I slice-up the data, if I take a large enough spread of months (e.g. say, the last 12 months?!) that pretty much always works out to be my average. I'll leave you to do the math on how much that sort of monthly shortfall in (projected) earnings could equate to in the longterm; though, suffice to say, that the difference between projected versus actual is not necessarily small coinage !

flyermd

totally agree with you! but on top of what you said, i see the transport allowance short of 1700 of what was on flydubai web site couple of months ago; this plus the 2000 short of the variable pay, you're 3700drh short of projected monthly!!!

Spit The Dummie

For those thinking of joining flydubai, you definitely should have read of this thread: http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/46...-aircraft.html

StuckinFZ

With regards to the old saying, if you don't like it, leave. I think that is exactly what a lot of the FZ pilots will do.....

Then Goofy, the man with a Womans name, and spaceman can sit there and figure what went wrong........ All while our COO looks for another airline he can run without making any decisions.....

From bad to worse..... That is what is going on with 5-2 rosters and destinations too far away for normal duties without layovers, getting bumped up to MMO to make it legal......

onvacation

Is anybody else pi$$ed off about how the vacation bidding works? Horse $hit!

Flyer1015

For those considering employment here, how does it work? What happened?

StuckinFZ

It does not work.......

Flyer1015

What specifically doesn't work? Are pilots being assigned random portions of vacation weeks?

Guided accordingly

Well done, congratulations, etc, to crew scheduling for an amazing effort !

It is the 24th and boy this months effort is an award winner !

Please correct me if I'm wrong guys, but the Dec rosters are out and it appears that no matter how over/under crewed we are; no matter how many flights that need covering; it's now obviously the norm to schedule a max of two consec days off. Of course its between a late and an early, with all manner of Sh1te in between. (Don't even mention AVLB duties!)

Is this how AIMS software plans optimum utilisation, versus crew rest ?
Or is there some other agenda behind this?

As human beings, How does the body cope with this crap long term ?
(ie. 3 yrs+)

Fatigue is now an issue here. The safety Dept knows it for sure.

We're getting by, but I worry that the holes in the cheese are gonna line up soon.

What are we going to do about it ? Your thoughts please?




(pls, no wanabees, this question is for guys that work here !)

Tolerant Dubai

Simple answer is they aint going to do anything about it, we can’t do anything about it.

Simple solution...... see ya!

Dio

Perhaps a few more all pilot e-mails might get us somewhere!! They seemed to back down over the leave bids, and with the CP advising us not to do it again, I would think they might be a little scared of this function!!

tothepoint

In the 5 airlines I have previously worked for 1 being a start up, I have never seen such inept rostering practices.
For the past few months, the 2 OFF, 5 ON schedule has been normal. 75% of flights are night and early morning!!

Obviously I am confused. A bidding system in place that isn't used to the full potential!! Rubbish in = rubbish out!!!

I would not be suprised to see more resignations as a result of the current practices - heard a few tendered the resignations last week - just the beginning.

Would have been better of flipping burgers at Burger King!

Alaska737

I suggest those of you with a wife ask them to hit the "post" button when you are flying. I heard there was an Englis captain who is willing to present any concerns we had to the management? If he is willing please post an email address here?

Questions...isn't a 2 year hiring ban against the human rights conventions???? How can we prove this????

Tolerant Dubai

Human rights.....ha ha, there are no such rights here I’m afraid. Just have to post all our concerns on this forum for those people intending on applying here. Maybe they won’t make the same mistakes we did!

My roster is 5 on, 2 off also. Have early starts followed immediately with night shifts, before allowing me to have 2 days off to rest...... on so on.

This is BAD rostering. The idiot who puts these rosters together is either a vindictive little ****e or completely inept at his job. Either way, he needs to be replaced.

Whoop Whoop Wake Up

Tolerant Dubai

I'm sure there are many people in the company that share your anger and frustration, but resorting to personal insults will not change anything and diminishes the value of a good argument.

Guided accordingly

Allocated leave now on AIMS, ahead of the previously published date of 30th Nov. However, the auto allocation of un awarded leave is due on the 5th dec ?

Does anyone understand why If leave is automatically allocated by AIMS, it cannot be done in one process by hitting the enter key ?

Tolerant Dubai

Whoop Whoop,

You are absolutely correct. Personal attacks are actually bad form and do indeed diminish a good argument.

However, this is either vindictive rostering or inept rostering. Vindictive as it appears that pilots should not have more than two days off in a row. This is despite being shift workers and working nights on a regular basis. Simply saying ‘it’s legal’ when challenged suggests that there is no interest in the rostering department on the effects of fatigue and the potential impact it has on flight safety. How many incidents have there been over the years caused by pilot error, where fatigue has played a major role? Of those, how many were legal? How about requested days off? Two requested days off a month, which cannot be linked together over the end of a month and thus provide 4 day block. If you try and leave a day in-between this selection, you will almost certainly have a trip or AVL or USBY or STBY. Any reason why this should be so?

Inept rostering results from the apparent inability of this department to construct a roster that adheres to the flight time limitations set out in Ops manual part A. A roster that fails to provide suitable rest pre and post night flying. Flipping early day reports to night flights in the same 5 day block, a practice that should be avoided according to our manual, due to the fatigue inducing effects that have been proven to occur.

Trip trading has been made virtually redundant due to only having a maximum of 2 days off to pick up an extra flight, which therefore causes all sorts of violations on the system. In order to trip trade you have to have a flight taken by someone, before you can trade for a more favourable trip.

Therefore I still stand by what I say without the 'little ****e’ bit.