Doublesector,
I agree only partially with you but my goal was not at all to be nasty with you or to push you or anybody else to leave...
It is not because I am saying something positive that I am from the management.There are also normal line pilot ( Cpt and F/o ) quite happy here even if they all agree that there are things to be improved...
I also agree that the downsides have to be discussed but not ONLY the downsides , each time some of my friends ask me about the company I try to give them all the information at once ( good and bad ) and I let them decide.
Because your post was titled "SAVE YOUR MONEY...GO ELSEWHERE ! "
Which , according to me , does not leave any other outcome that it is not worth to join that company...
I totally agree that leaving will not sort out anything and that's why I have also told you to look at the other threads before taking your decision as I think it is not brighter in plenty of other airlines that we could have the opportunity to join...
I personally have raised the CTC recruitment issue to the management and as I have told you if we were talking to each other ( united ) we could agree to ask every pilot to raise the problem and then maybe things could start to change.
Many guys I meet and who are not very happy about what is going on here , when I ask them "what have you done about it ?" Most of the time I got this answer " nothing "
That's where the problem is , of course we can not create a union in this country but I am sure there is a smart way to deal slowly with the problems we are facing by taking our responsibility.
That was the all meaning of my answer to your post.
Of course it will be easier for us if we could convince all the pilots not to join the company and then they will have no other choice than to raise the conditions and be nicer with us but as soon as the pilot force will be in place then we will be quickly back to where we were , that's why I don't really like that way of doing.
It would be better to all agree on something that we want and to go and discuss it with the management.
And don't say it is not possible here , it is possible , as long as we are smart enough to talk to each other and stay united.
If it is to do like in some European low cost companies where each time the management is nasty with one pilot who dared to raise his voice the others don't move a finger then of course it will not be possible...