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Old 19th Dec 2013, 11:47
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They must be hedging a plan to start ops at DWC during the rwy closure.
I was only 1 day off...12 destinations operated from both DXB and DWC and 14 from DWC only. Just like everyone suspected would happen.
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Old 19th Dec 2013, 13:08
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Is there any kind of public transportation to DWC?
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Old 19th Dec 2013, 13:53
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Camels leave every 15 minutes...
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Old 19th Dec 2013, 15:19
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Fair enough...
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 08:18
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Circus

So a guy fails his upgrade final line check for adjusting the HUD brightness....what kind of circus show is this?
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 09:16
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FDUBAI, you gotta be kidding??
I heard a rumour that 4 failed this month, not sure how accurate that is. Anyone in the know care to shed some light on this.
Has the poisoned dwarf returned from Emirates?
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 10:20
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I cannot believe that anyone would be failed for this......there must be more to it!
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 12:30
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I agree. That must be the decaf version from the pilot's stand point. There's gotta be more to that story...
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 16:15
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I know as professional pilots we would like to believe that it couldn't happen, but trust me when I say there has been some pretty screwed up things regarding the upgrade candidates at FZ. I've never seen anything like it, but then again, I'm relatively new to the gulf!
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 17:08
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Runway closure period flight schedule in full detail here.

"...weekly flights reduced from 587 weekly one-way flights to around 470, number of destinations reduced from 67 to 65..."

Dhaka and Kiev Borispol remain cancelled. (aka 2 less nightstops)
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Old 4th Jan 2014, 12:08
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I'm afraid this is true. Its not exaggerated. Poor guy went all the way through the command upgrade, with a good training record and got sacked on the final line check. Looks like the training department was looking to make an example. Completely obscene.
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Old 6th Jan 2014, 10:28
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I heard it was adjusting the HUD just after rotation and below 400ft .... If so you brief no actions below 400ft accept cancel the lights or bells and select the gear up on positive rate of climb. If you choose to do it don't do it on a final line check
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Old 6th Jan 2014, 11:21
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What about the crew that both got fired due to an alleged 'incident' in Karachi recently? Any truth in that?
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Old 6th Jan 2014, 12:08
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Heard only the Capt got fired....
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Old 6th Jan 2014, 12:34
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Don't forget that this is a rumour network and you should take it for what it is...
A pilot failing only because he was adjusting the brightness of the HUD on final is just a false statement...
On the other hand I can say that today , even if you have had no problem during the training phase and even been released on line doesn't mean ( unfortunately ) that you will be able to cope with all the situation in the future.
The training today is too short , quick and not selective at all , not enough exposure to challenging situation are included and most if not all of the line training flights are to "local" easy destinations while we could send these guys to the east to face cold weather , strong winds in stormy weather and high terrain elevation.

About the Karachi incident , again , before judging make sure that you have the facts before making a statement about the company reaction.
Were you in the flight deck ? Did you see the FDM ? Do you know which mistakes have been done ( if any ) and how the crew have reacted ?
There are so many things that will not be told by the people involved especially if guilty...
I have been witness of simulator sessions where people have failed and I know exactly what has happened and I also know what the pilots involved were saying to the others.
It is sometimes very difficult in our world to just recognize that we have made mistakes coupled most of the time by a bad final decision which is usually the main reason of the failure.
An unstabilized approach followed by a well executed go-around at the right time is usually enough to stay out of trouble,
While continuing to a landing that we think is fine , may be the major reason of the failure.
Bad judgement and wrong decision making will , one day ,be a killer...
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Old 6th Jan 2014, 13:26
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"An unstabilized approach followed by a well executed go-around at the right time is usually enough to stay out of trouble, while continuing to a landing that we think is fine , may be the major reason of the failure".

To my knowledge, there is absolutely no issue with conducting a go-around from an unstable approach, in fact, it is mandatory. As for it 'usually' being enough to stay out of trouble is rather misleading. Furthermore, continuing to land from any approach that does not meet the stable approach criteria is against company policy, irrespective of what the operating pilot(s) may think.

As I understand it, the incident in KHI did indeed result in the termination of the Captain.
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Old 6th Jan 2014, 16:29
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Alright guys, I'll bite. What happened in Karachi?
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Old 7th Jan 2014, 07:00
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Quote:"Don't forget that this is a rumour network and you should take it for what it is...
A pilot failing only because he was adjusting the brightness of the HUD on final is just a false statement...
On the other hand I can say that today , even if you have had no problem during the training phase and even been released on line doesn't mean ( unfortunately ) that you will be able to cope with all the situation in the future.
The training today is too short , quick and not selective at all , not enough exposure to challenging situation are included and most if not all of the line training flights are to "local" easy destinations while we could send these guys to the east to face cold weather , strong winds in stormy weather and high terrain elevation."

Ok...so just to clarify...the issue is that a pilot failing a Final Line Check (barring some grossly negligent and unsafe action) after having successfully completed the previously described "rigorous" Command Upgrade should not be simply denied another Check and be sent all the way back to the beginning of the program at that stage of the game. That is just insanity. Not to mention an enormous waste of money by the company who invested so much in getting them to that point to begin with. It is a poor decision which affects all crew at FD.

Regarding the unstable approach: The Captain was fired and the new FO was told he can never upgrade. It is a fact that the approach was extremely unstable. The airplane was in an unsafe and uncorrected configuration down to a very low level. FD has no mercy on this. They are unforgiving when it comes attempting to land from an unstable approach. They list a number of criteria in which a go around MUST be executed if exceeded.

Regarding the validity of the information: It's still a relatively small company. It is not difficult to get the straight story directly from or close to the source if you've been here for a while.
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Old 7th Jan 2014, 09:43
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Contractpilot1,

Flydubai is still a small company , that's true but it does not mean that the actual facts are available unless you have spoken directly to one of the pilots involved and assuming that he ( or she ) is telling you the truth...
The other people who are spreading some information about any incident: first , should not do it as they are not entitled to ; second , how can you be sure that the information they spread is correct ?
We have to be really careful about making judgement and at the end if you talk about these 2 subjects with different pilots , you will see that there are different point of view about the outcome.
I know some pilot thinking that the company reaction was to hard while others think that it was the right thing to do.
It is not my business to say who is right or wrong in particular because I ( like most people ) don't have access to all the FACTS but I think that too many people think that they have the right to judge while they don't have all the information.
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Old 7th Jan 2014, 13:00
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Dubaigong,

Quite honestly, I'm struggling to get your point! I don't know of anyone who has been judgmental regarding the issue of an unstable approach. You seem a little defensive over the fact that people are asking questions, don't be, it's perfectly natural for pilots to be inquisitive, which is different from being judgmental.

As has been said in previous posts, FZ makes it quite clear that it will not tolerate unstable approaches that are continued to landing. That is, and has been, black and white for some time.

For facts, go to the safety department and ask to see the data.
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