Another QR eathquake landing in JED?
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I am sorry but I am from the old school and the "WORD" as you put it should not be forgotten and put to rest because it was 20 years ago.
Someone comes and takes your job is a S#@% and there are a few other words to descride this sort of person but I will just leave it like that.
the word KARMA comes to mind as well....... "Through the law of karma, the effects of all deeds actively create past, present, and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to him/her and others."
Oh-mani-pendi-ummmm....
It's late, Good night.
HM
Someone comes and takes your job is a S#@% and there are a few other words to descride this sort of person but I will just leave it like that.
the word KARMA comes to mind as well....... "Through the law of karma, the effects of all deeds actively create past, present, and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to him/her and others."
Oh-mani-pendi-ummmm....
It's late, Good night.
HM
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A hard landing could happen to any instructor. I noticed that those who taught me always had sweaty armpits. And Goat instructors are especially exposed for the valid reasons dear SQN LDR listed.
If The Goat insists on recruiting abinitio pilots with questionable motivation perhaps the airline should buy a small fleet of ATR42 that the Second Officers could flog to death all day to BAH and DMM. I imagine gear replacement on the ATR is less than the A330?? Impossible to elliminate events like this, just control the damage.
Leave the instructor alone, this is a case of bad eggs rather a sloppy cook.
If The Goat insists on recruiting abinitio pilots with questionable motivation perhaps the airline should buy a small fleet of ATR42 that the Second Officers could flog to death all day to BAH and DMM. I imagine gear replacement on the ATR is less than the A330?? Impossible to elliminate events like this, just control the damage.
Leave the instructor alone, this is a case of bad eggs rather a sloppy cook.
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What nasty words Hajj Mann?? Confusing words too. If you are still upset over a pilots dispute 19 years ago then you must be really pissed off that The Goat policy of recruiting DEC has slowed your own command when you were ready for the job long ago?
Mate those that still turn red thinking about that dispute do so because they are angry with themselves. Get over it
Mate those that still turn red thinking about that dispute do so because they are angry with themselves. Get over it
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lost their jobs
Anyway, back on track, that Captain, if it's him, is one of the most experienced, knowledgable and sensible pilots I have ever flown with. An all round good guy. Very lame Croc to bring up rubbish like the dispute over a hard landing in Saudia.
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Forget what he was/is and get back to the point(s)!
SO's should not be flying and certainly should not be flying widebodies!
And for all this trainer's purported experience, he erred big-time in having the SO land in those conditions and then by not monitoring the rate of descent as the SO flew into the ground.
SO's should not be flying and certainly should not be flying widebodies!
And for all this trainer's purported experience, he erred big-time in having the SO land in those conditions and then by not monitoring the rate of descent as the SO flew into the ground.
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Maybe it is time to stop being hypocrites...
Most of us knowing about the Ansett story have a certain age
and came to the middle east as DEC. In a way that is not that much different than what the S#$% did 19 years ago, isn't it!
We took the place of a certain FO as well, who was waiting for his command. We jumped ahead of many guys who where waiting to join the wide-body fleets.
Did we know it? YES
Did we care? NO!
Ok, its was not as blatant as with Ansett, but I feel in a way we did the same.
Expat pilots are mercenaries. We go and fly for the people who pay us the best money, we go there strictly for our own benefits and most of us do not give a damn about the others in that company as long as we get what we want!
This is exactly why you will never have the same respect from management as an expat pilot than when you are a pilot at your own airline!
Besides that,The whole union thing is very nice on paper but not in real life, and going on collective strike never has led to a positive outcome. Look at Ansett, Sabena, Swissair....etc.
Those lists....I find them very childish! Incredibly childish actually! The first time I laid eyes on them I was flabbergasted! Who are the pathetic and frustrated souls who came up with that idea? So you guys are blaming the QR management for organizing witch hunts but actually you have been doing the same for 19 years long!
GET OVER IT!
Anyway, most of you who moan about it actually should be grateful. You went to CX and ended up on the A scale, flew for another 15 years as a skipper on the best machines making loads of money, lived in Hong Kong during the real estate boom buying apartments on the company' s expenses, retired with a FORTUNE and are now here in the sandpit as old farts, once more making good money while actually occupying the places on a left seat of a younger pilot!
I dont care , believe me, you all where damn lucky...But do not point the finger at others for things you brought on to yourself in the first place!
Most of us knowing about the Ansett story have a certain age
and came to the middle east as DEC. In a way that is not that much different than what the S#$% did 19 years ago, isn't it!We took the place of a certain FO as well, who was waiting for his command. We jumped ahead of many guys who where waiting to join the wide-body fleets.
Did we know it? YES
Did we care? NO!
Ok, its was not as blatant as with Ansett, but I feel in a way we did the same.
Expat pilots are mercenaries. We go and fly for the people who pay us the best money, we go there strictly for our own benefits and most of us do not give a damn about the others in that company as long as we get what we want!
This is exactly why you will never have the same respect from management as an expat pilot than when you are a pilot at your own airline!
Besides that,The whole union thing is very nice on paper but not in real life, and going on collective strike never has led to a positive outcome. Look at Ansett, Sabena, Swissair....etc.
Those lists....I find them very childish! Incredibly childish actually! The first time I laid eyes on them I was flabbergasted! Who are the pathetic and frustrated souls who came up with that idea? So you guys are blaming the QR management for organizing witch hunts but actually you have been doing the same for 19 years long!
GET OVER IT!
Anyway, most of you who moan about it actually should be grateful. You went to CX and ended up on the A scale, flew for another 15 years as a skipper on the best machines making loads of money, lived in Hong Kong during the real estate boom buying apartments on the company' s expenses, retired with a FORTUNE and are now here in the sandpit as old farts, once more making good money while actually occupying the places on a left seat of a younger pilot!
I dont care , believe me, you all where damn lucky...But do not point the finger at others for things you brought on to yourself in the first place!
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MMMMmmmmmmm....
Dont agree with that one mate!
19 years later and still a very sensitive subject it looks like!
I just wanted to avoid that an instructor, who actually does a great job over here (you have to admit we need more instructors like him over here in stead of these power-horny macho freaks we have now), takes more heat than he should just because he made a mistake 19 years ago!
Some of the posters here where affected by the Ansett thing in person, and it seems to me they where looking to use this unfortunate thing to get what they wanted!
That is not the way things should be done, thats all!
Dont agree with that one mate!
19 years later and still a very sensitive subject it looks like!
I just wanted to avoid that an instructor, who actually does a great job over here (you have to admit we need more instructors like him over here in stead of these power-horny macho freaks we have now), takes more heat than he should just because he made a mistake 19 years ago!
Some of the posters here where affected by the Ansett thing in person, and it seems to me they where looking to use this unfortunate thing to get what they wanted!
That is not the way things should be done, thats all!
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great job
If an outstanding instructor did a great job spending 3,6 m $ imagine what an avrige Inst can do to us ?
No salary increamnet becouse litle man has to buy a new landing gear for A330-300 !
No salary increamnet becouse litle man has to buy a new landing gear for A330-300 !
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ok. I will drop it also. As you said he might do a good job as an instructor (I don't know I have never had instruction with him)
It is a shame that this happened to ANYONE and that is never what I would like to have happen to anyone. SCAB or no SCAB it is a bad thing to happen to him, the SO and the Airline. We will all pay for it in the long run with new rules. We actually need some to tell you the truth.
It is a shame that this happened to ANYONE and that is never what I would like to have happen to anyone. SCAB or no SCAB it is a bad thing to happen to him, the SO and the Airline. We will all pay for it in the long run with new rules. We actually need some to tell you the truth.
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Sounds good to me...
Pita man, just you wit until the day where maybe you become an instructor!
Or NO, even better, just wait until you will be given a left seat on a commercial jetliner. I am 100% sure you will talk differently!
And if you dont, it just shows that you should not be in this profession mate!
Some of your factual info is correct, I have to admit to that, but boy you have a lot to learn still regarding being a pilot!
No shame in that, you just have to realise it!
Pita man, just you wit until the day where maybe you become an instructor!
Or NO, even better, just wait until you will be given a left seat on a commercial jetliner. I am 100% sure you will talk differently!
And if you dont, it just shows that you should not be in this profession mate!
Some of your factual info is correct, I have to admit to that, but boy you have a lot to learn still regarding being a pilot!
No shame in that, you just have to realise it!
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You missed the point Closterman
No DEC is taking the job away of a pilot in the sandpit sice the management is free to hire whoever they want. There are no unions here to protect the pilots that's why there is so much whinging here in the sandpit forum like no other. If IFALPA decides Industrial action, a so called hiring ban than it is not very smart to apply to such an outfit. And yes your name WILL be on that list forever. And yes maybe in the next airline you apply a captain in the selection team or a checkairman will remember you. It is your decision. Again there never was a hiring ban on any middle eastern airline.
And back to the hard landing issue. Lets not spread rumors since we do not the facts why this happened, it could happen to any of us tomorrow. But I think also that it is a bad idea to train SOs in the A330.
And back to the hard landing issue. Lets not spread rumors since we do not the facts why this happened, it could happen to any of us tomorrow. But I think also that it is a bad idea to train SOs in the A330.
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What a load of bitter dredging up from the past,forget it you sad has beens and get on with your lives. Back to topic, hot and heavy conditions and a brand new pilot on a widebody can result in what I hear to have happened. The instructor in question is by far above average, an extremely proffesional aviator and a bonus to anyone who is taught by him. If it can happen to him it could happen to anyone. Unfortunately at QR the trainers are pushing the envelope as there are not many if any places that put the new guys straight onto the 330. I was checker at another airline down the road from QR and almost had a similar result in the same airfield.
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Cool down mate
It is not about flying capabilities we were discussing, it is about character.
And as allready said before, I don't doubt that he is an outstanding pilot. However they push the envelope by putting a young kid from a bad college course in a A330 with 300 Pax. This should be a warning shot to rethink policies to avoid a real tragedy.
And as allready said before, I don't doubt that he is an outstanding pilot. However they push the envelope by putting a young kid from a bad college course in a A330 with 300 Pax. This should be a warning shot to rethink policies to avoid a real tragedy.
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Sad sad sad
It has been said before and I will say it again!
If you want to play with the big boys, you have to act like a big boy!
QR might think they are one of the leading airlines in the world, but they are a far cry away from being one. This incident and the way it was handled just shows it!
All the responsible people being aware of a big emerging problem but because some influential people being involvd, nobody dares to open his mouth!
I know RH was working on this as he must have realised something needed to be done. But Iam afraid by then it was too late!
It is sad to see....all the posibilities in the world but no real willingness to create something substantial and quality orientated. But I guess that can be said for the whole country!
If you want to play with the big boys, you have to act like a big boy!
QR might think they are one of the leading airlines in the world, but they are a far cry away from being one. This incident and the way it was handled just shows it!
All the responsible people being aware of a big emerging problem but because some influential people being involvd, nobody dares to open his mouth!
I know RH was working on this as he must have realised something needed to be done. But Iam afraid by then it was too late!
It is sad to see....all the posibilities in the world but no real willingness to create something substantial and quality orientated. But I guess that can be said for the whole country!