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Icarus
Well seams to me you are not Icarus if you need more then 20 min to prepare cockpit and in QR we are in aircraft 50min-1h before departure in cockpit so why the hell i wouldnt eat if am done in 20 min and am waiting for Pax ??
2. Orange juce not alowed to serve cockpit crew
3.dates not alowed
4.Laban not alowed
5.walk around without hat not alowed
2. Orange juce not alowed to serve cockpit crew
3.dates not alowed
4.Laban not alowed
5.walk around without hat not alowed
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6. Cabin crew not allowed to take a taxi while in uniform.
7. C.C. not allowed to use mobile while in uniform
8. C.C not allowed to remove their hat in the crew bus,or shuttle bus from airport to hotel unless curtain are closed and with the autorisation of the Cpt!!(i guess it's to protect themself, if something happens they will blame the cpt..of course...)
9. CC not allowed to read anything else than their manual or the Oryx magazine while on airport Standby Duty at the dispatch crew"lounge"(that's the best one!!)
as well as on board the A/C.
10. curfew as well for C.C.: not allowed to go out ot to return to your accomodation after a certain time.
oops.. i'm getting tired..please ladies and gents continue..
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7. C.C. not allowed to use mobile while in uniform
8. C.C not allowed to remove their hat in the crew bus,or shuttle bus from airport to hotel unless curtain are closed and with the autorisation of the Cpt!!(i guess it's to protect themself, if something happens they will blame the cpt..of course...)
9. CC not allowed to read anything else than their manual or the Oryx magazine while on airport Standby Duty at the dispatch crew"lounge"(that's the best one!!)
as well as on board the A/C.
10. curfew as well for C.C.: not allowed to go out ot to return to your accomodation after a certain time.
oops.. i'm getting tired..please ladies and gents continue..
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In my airline, I am paid well enough to purchase such items and don't need to bitch about not getting them at work, as that would be in poor taste and considered cheap. I would normally be concerned about the major benefits and company obligations that our union contract stipulates. I would like to think that professional pilots show more class.
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Talking about major benifits ??? wrong airline QR sorry there are no souch things over here.
But we have termination department if you need it on 3th floor next to Imigration .
But we have termination department if you need it on 3th floor next to Imigration .
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The most important one don't ever lay your hands on imported concubines from all over the world. They are truly pretty I must say.
Sorry Boss!!!
This one can be taken personally by all means!!!
P.S. Silicon valley can be a very sweet place to stay and extremely hard to find the way out.
Sorry Boss!!!
This one can be taken personally by all means!!!P.S. Silicon valley can be a very sweet place to stay and extremely hard to find the way out.
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Icarus; just amazing how someone sitting in a far far away civilized country whom knows absolutely nothing about goats and dust has such strong opinions about what is real and imagined at Goat Airways. My question is, who are you trying to convince?? Yourself I believe.
I have noticed the following fact: Every single time an airline from Far Far Away suffers death wobbles, pilots from that country get on this website and say The Goat is definitely not as bad as those buried up to their necks sand keep saying.
Americans and Italians this week...
I think some of that wax is in your ears and over your eyes. The Goat will be good for you Icarus, but be sure the wax will melt in Doha and your feathers will fall out.
I have noticed the following fact: Every single time an airline from Far Far Away suffers death wobbles, pilots from that country get on this website and say The Goat is definitely not as bad as those buried up to their necks sand keep saying.
Americans and Italians this week...
I think some of that wax is in your ears and over your eyes. The Goat will be good for you Icarus, but be sure the wax will melt in Doha and your feathers will fall out.
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I tend to agree with Icarus on this one. I worked for two major Asian airlines and they both expected complete compliance with their in house rules. Most of the pilots working there operated according to those rules and had no problems. The ones that didn't, lost out on a good job. I know one of them and he now flies some big shot around, part of his job description is personally making sure the toilets are clean and bags are stacked neatly on the biz jet he now flies as commander !
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Whilst working in asia did you have to ask permission to marry any foreigner of your choice Arctic?? Add that to your list Pita.
I am sure you do agree with Icarus because neither you or him know what you are talking about. Only those who have actually lived in Qatar could know what that ****hole is really like.
I am sure you do agree with Icarus because neither you or him know what you are talking about. Only those who have actually lived in Qatar could know what that ****hole is really like.
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Focus please!
Gents,
its about time you start forgetting about banal things such as laban and dades!
In all honesty, I have been treated extremely well by our cabin crew and I have never eaten so much dades, caviar, foie gras, ...in my entire life!
It all comes down to one magic trick: treat the CCM the way you yourself want to be treated and you will be pampered throughout the flight!
OK, once in a while there is the standard issue bi&$% on board who will try to push the limits. As long as you recognize it its fine...let them live in their pathetic little world of fake beliefs and get on with it...tomorrow there is another flight!
Focus on the things that matter:
1) restrictions in private life!
2) Abuse of workforce (personal that is, just ask around what happens on the QR promo tours!)
3) Flying illegally and against chapter 7
4) Promises which are never kept (remember: Profit sharing, pension fund,...)
5) ...
Those are things that matter. By always reverting back to orange juice and laban you are making fools of yourself!
its about time you start forgetting about banal things such as laban and dades!
In all honesty, I have been treated extremely well by our cabin crew and I have never eaten so much dades, caviar, foie gras, ...in my entire life!
It all comes down to one magic trick: treat the CCM the way you yourself want to be treated and you will be pampered throughout the flight!
OK, once in a while there is the standard issue bi&$% on board who will try to push the limits. As long as you recognize it its fine...let them live in their pathetic little world of fake beliefs and get on with it...tomorrow there is another flight!
Focus on the things that matter:
1) restrictions in private life!
2) Abuse of workforce (personal that is, just ask around what happens on the QR promo tours!)
3) Flying illegally and against chapter 7
4) Promises which are never kept (remember: Profit sharing, pension fund,...)
5) ...
Those are things that matter. By always reverting back to orange juice and laban you are making fools of yourself!
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No-one cares about dates and labaan Colonostomymann, that's the whole point. The Catamite is a mental paradox; he is petty, on the other hand he is neurotic, the next day megalomaniac. An efficient office is one where staff scatter like mice when the cat enters. A team is a group of morons that all scream "yes sir" together.
More restrictions for the list:
1. Pilots are not to consume meals in the flight deck during passenger boarding. Why, because the catamite insists that it is dangerous. Turnaround is often the only time to eat something on an A320 duty.
2. Refer to the dish dash as a dress. A captain was sacked for this, even though he was misquoted and misunderstood by the qatari FO that reported him.
3. Do not be recognized by the catamite wearing shorts in the airport terminal on your day off. This is worth a warning letter.
4. Do not grow a patch of bum fluff below your bottom lip where the girls like it. Not allowed.
5. The Captain has ultimate authority for the safety of the flight right? If because of a serious CRM or Technical reason a captain relieves an incompetent CM/CSD of her duties the captain will be suspended without interview. This has happened twice. On both occasions the pilots suspended, were eventually found without fault and reinstated.
6. Do not be caught masticating in daylight outside the flightdeck or your villa during ramadan.
7. Don't ever offer to give a flight attendant a lift home, even if she is your wife's best friend.
8. Don't expect to get on a Goat flight even if you do have a ticket and they have seats. After Hyderabad overnight: economy fully booked, my wife is denied the economy cabin jump seat by check-in staff, my wife was refused business class even though she had a business ticket and was dressed
appropriately. Why??? No good reason, the staff at Hyderabad are assholes. Remember too that Hyderabad is the Catamite's home town.
9. If you are sick prior to days off, do not expect to keep the days off. Rostering can change your sick days to OFF and make your upcoming OFF days STBY. But on the flip side, if you scream "I'm going to have your head on a stick" to rostering staff you will probably get a free coffee and Oreo with the Chief Pilot. But again, on a day OFF.
10. Do not ask for a copy of your SIM Check Report. They know you want it for your resume. I have a nasty letter from The Goat explaining why Check Reports are their property. I put that in my resume instead.
11. Forget ever seeing your personal file.
12. Do not sit down in public with your hat off. Unless you are drinking a coffee. I believe this rule also applies to tea and hot chocolate, but not sure. Quite sure that it does include soft drinks. Best to either not sit down or wear hat everywhere including bed.
13. Now you are not allowed to punch your Chief Pilot. But on the other hand you can punch a subordinate at The Goat if you feel he/she needs it (Sharia Law). A Qatari captain thumped a dispatcher, his punishment just a brief demotion.
What a lovely place to work......
More restrictions for the list:
1. Pilots are not to consume meals in the flight deck during passenger boarding. Why, because the catamite insists that it is dangerous. Turnaround is often the only time to eat something on an A320 duty.
2. Refer to the dish dash as a dress. A captain was sacked for this, even though he was misquoted and misunderstood by the qatari FO that reported him.
3. Do not be recognized by the catamite wearing shorts in the airport terminal on your day off. This is worth a warning letter.
4. Do not grow a patch of bum fluff below your bottom lip where the girls like it. Not allowed.
5. The Captain has ultimate authority for the safety of the flight right? If because of a serious CRM or Technical reason a captain relieves an incompetent CM/CSD of her duties the captain will be suspended without interview. This has happened twice. On both occasions the pilots suspended, were eventually found without fault and reinstated.
6. Do not be caught masticating in daylight outside the flightdeck or your villa during ramadan.
7. Don't ever offer to give a flight attendant a lift home, even if she is your wife's best friend.
8. Don't expect to get on a Goat flight even if you do have a ticket and they have seats. After Hyderabad overnight: economy fully booked, my wife is denied the economy cabin jump seat by check-in staff, my wife was refused business class even though she had a business ticket and was dressed
appropriately. Why??? No good reason, the staff at Hyderabad are assholes. Remember too that Hyderabad is the Catamite's home town.
9. If you are sick prior to days off, do not expect to keep the days off. Rostering can change your sick days to OFF and make your upcoming OFF days STBY. But on the flip side, if you scream "I'm going to have your head on a stick" to rostering staff you will probably get a free coffee and Oreo with the Chief Pilot. But again, on a day OFF.
10. Do not ask for a copy of your SIM Check Report. They know you want it for your resume. I have a nasty letter from The Goat explaining why Check Reports are their property. I put that in my resume instead.
11. Forget ever seeing your personal file.
12. Do not sit down in public with your hat off. Unless you are drinking a coffee. I believe this rule also applies to tea and hot chocolate, but not sure. Quite sure that it does include soft drinks. Best to either not sit down or wear hat everywhere including bed.
13. Now you are not allowed to punch your Chief Pilot. But on the other hand you can punch a subordinate at The Goat if you feel he/she needs it (Sharia Law). A Qatari captain thumped a dispatcher, his punishment just a brief demotion.
What a lovely place to work......
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..and for those poor office chaps detained in the Tower:
1. 0700-1530 minimum work hours with no official breaks allowed
2. Except CC no access to canteen, only kitchen areas with no seats
3. No leaving building without permission
4. annual pay rise (below inflation), every three years
5. benefits taken away from some grades (reduced vacation, downgrade cabin entitlement, temporary housing allowance)
6. No marriage for females without CEO permission. Requestees may be terminated
7. termination without cause given
8. survelliance cameras in corridors and lifts
9. etc etc
1. 0700-1530 minimum work hours with no official breaks allowed
2. Except CC no access to canteen, only kitchen areas with no seats
3. No leaving building without permission
4. annual pay rise (below inflation), every three years
5. benefits taken away from some grades (reduced vacation, downgrade cabin entitlement, temporary housing allowance)
6. No marriage for females without CEO permission. Requestees may be terminated
7. termination without cause given
8. survelliance cameras in corridors and lifts
9. etc etc
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Black stain:
Regarding nr 10:sim check report:
Your are partialy correct ....
I have to admit most of the competent and honest instructor will agree to make a copy straight after the sim check and handle to you without any story.
BUt YES there are some BIG AS..... who will refuse it!!
Personnaly i always asked for, as the past has showed that once in the office your sim check report might be "corrected" by some F
people sitting in office for who honesty has never been part of their education!!
Welcome to Q.R.
Regarding nr 10:sim check report:
Your are partialy correct ....
I have to admit most of the competent and honest instructor will agree to make a copy straight after the sim check and handle to you without any story.
BUt YES there are some BIG AS..... who will refuse it!!
Personnaly i always asked for, as the past has showed that once in the office your sim check report might be "corrected" by some F
people sitting in office for who honesty has never been part of their education!!Welcome to Q.R.
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Salamalikum,
I was refused 4 times.... policy. It must be very difficult to save face when the chief pilot from another airline calls your office querying the absence of a candidate's records.
Everyone knows that The Goat is a sick airline. Imagine how difficult it will be for current Goat Airways managers to find employment with a respectable airline in the future.
Do they even think that far ahead?
I was refused 4 times.... policy. It must be very difficult to save face when the chief pilot from another airline calls your office querying the absence of a candidate's records.
Everyone knows that The Goat is a sick airline. Imagine how difficult it will be for current Goat Airways managers to find employment with a respectable airline in the future.
Do they even think that far ahead?
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Wow, there are some seriously depressed people in Doha these days. I spent a few years at QR, drank as much beer as I liked, met some beautiful girls from all over the world, one whom I married and never felt any intrusion in my private life. The culture there dictated I had to be more discreet about some things but that was fine by me, you are in another country after all.
I found there was a lot of rules at QR, but most of them were simple things and easy to comply with. Thankfully I dont have a compulsion to drink orange juice every time I board an aircraft, usually I had a nice diet coke with ice and lemon served to me by the mostly polite and hardworking cabin crew. As in every airline you play the game you'll be ok.
Training and technically QR is on a par with the major carrier I moved on to, I flew with one as%hole training captain a few times but they have those at every airline.
Arabic culture, the weather, living in a/c, etc...will not be for everybody, but I can honestly say I found the locals polite, easygoing and mutually respectful 90% of the time and enjoyed my time there. I still have friends there who are happy living and working there.
I found there was a lot of rules at QR, but most of them were simple things and easy to comply with. Thankfully I dont have a compulsion to drink orange juice every time I board an aircraft, usually I had a nice diet coke with ice and lemon served to me by the mostly polite and hardworking cabin crew. As in every airline you play the game you'll be ok.
Training and technically QR is on a par with the major carrier I moved on to, I flew with one as%hole training captain a few times but they have those at every airline.
Arabic culture, the weather, living in a/c, etc...will not be for everybody, but I can honestly say I found the locals polite, easygoing and mutually respectful 90% of the time and enjoyed my time there. I still have friends there who are happy living and working there.
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Black stain,
lighten up man! You are so frustrated its not funny anymore.
All your points I can prove wrong, but I just dont have the courage!
You want to rant, go ahead! Vent those frustrations! But please stick to the truth.
Your point nr 10 for example is wrong: I have copies of all my sim reports in this airline! I know even some guys who where allowed to copy all training reports from the last 6 years because the CAA back home needed it!
So please, stop lying! Maybe you should learn how to ask things around here. As I have noticed, that means a world of difference!
lighten up man! You are so frustrated its not funny anymore.
All your points I can prove wrong, but I just dont have the courage!
You want to rant, go ahead! Vent those frustrations! But please stick to the truth.
Your point nr 10 for example is wrong: I have copies of all my sim reports in this airline! I know even some guys who where allowed to copy all training reports from the last 6 years because the CAA back home needed it!
So please, stop lying! Maybe you should learn how to ask things around here. As I have noticed, that means a world of difference!
