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Stop with the Kool Aid mentality. When you call in sick and we all know that EK pilots have to call in sick because of where they live in the world and the kind of flying they do CC can reschedule you a flight even on your days off. When you do call in sick you lost the credit for that trip you called in sick for. If you were in productivity you lost that pay as well. It is not a typical sick base system and would not stand up under any test in the first world. Drink away Kool Aid members!
would not stand up under any test in the first world.
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555orange,
Thank you.....at last you make some sense. I have no problem debating the merits of EK but, lets face it, your previous post was just an inflammatory dig at guys that disagree with AC.
You are quite right, AC has his right to express his opinion but he has chosen to do so on a public forum where his post is going to be scrutinised and may(or may not) be contradicted.
In terms of the points you mention........EK is a decent job with a package that is good by world standards(IMHO). Sure, I wish I had got 6 months bonus instead of 3.5 months. Sure I wish I had a 25% pay rise rather than the measly 12% that I got, but they a commercial operation and want to make a profit.
I don't know what Cathay offer, but we have a provident fund.....what more do you want? What is this cash payment pension plan you refer to?
Continuous seniority based bidding system? What for, many(me included) like the existing system?
Better duty time rules? The rules are pretty clear. I may not like working that hard but the rules are fine. Nobody likes a redeye through the night(and I just did 2 of them) but that is the nature of the job. I take the good with the bad.
Sick rules and sick pay? EK is a first rate company when it comes to this. If you call in sick, sure they don't pay you the flight pay(all of 45dhs/hr in my case) but that is life. What is more important, you can call in sick for 48 hours no questions asked. I had to go for an operation 6 weeks after being signed out and they took me off the roster, no questions asked, for as long as I needed. There have been cases of guys off sick for over a year, once again on full pay......oops, sorry, they didn't get flight pay.
If you call in sick for a long trip, once you get better, sure they put you on "available days" and sure you generally end up picking up the crappy flights. Apparently in utopia where AC comes from they console the sick guys with nice flights because crappy flights don't exist. Once again get real guys.....we have some nasty flights and if you are a free being with no roster for a few days, you are likely to land one of them. This is just a reality....not EK scheduling trying to punish you.
In terms of those guys that gave up after a year....sure it does happen. There are realities to living here. Very often, the wife takes strain and if she is not happy, you gonna pick up problems. AC makes a valid point with his post in that it is a big decision and not to be taken lightly but I have to wonder where his mind was when he came for his interview. Its almost like it came as a surprise to him that you cannot change fleets, only have one base or that we fly through the night.
I actually wonder myself why I post here.......
Cerebus,
Please can you point me in the direction of who hands out the cash for positive posting on Prune.....because right now damned if I'm not doing it for free.......its just not fair.
And what is this Kool Aid stuff
Thank you.....at last you make some sense. I have no problem debating the merits of EK but, lets face it, your previous post was just an inflammatory dig at guys that disagree with AC.
You are quite right, AC has his right to express his opinion but he has chosen to do so on a public forum where his post is going to be scrutinised and may(or may not) be contradicted.
In terms of the points you mention........EK is a decent job with a package that is good by world standards(IMHO). Sure, I wish I had got 6 months bonus instead of 3.5 months. Sure I wish I had a 25% pay rise rather than the measly 12% that I got, but they a commercial operation and want to make a profit.
I don't know what Cathay offer, but we have a provident fund.....what more do you want? What is this cash payment pension plan you refer to?
Continuous seniority based bidding system? What for, many(me included) like the existing system?
Better duty time rules? The rules are pretty clear. I may not like working that hard but the rules are fine. Nobody likes a redeye through the night(and I just did 2 of them) but that is the nature of the job. I take the good with the bad.
Sick rules and sick pay? EK is a first rate company when it comes to this. If you call in sick, sure they don't pay you the flight pay(all of 45dhs/hr in my case) but that is life. What is more important, you can call in sick for 48 hours no questions asked. I had to go for an operation 6 weeks after being signed out and they took me off the roster, no questions asked, for as long as I needed. There have been cases of guys off sick for over a year, once again on full pay......oops, sorry, they didn't get flight pay.
If you call in sick for a long trip, once you get better, sure they put you on "available days" and sure you generally end up picking up the crappy flights. Apparently in utopia where AC comes from they console the sick guys with nice flights because crappy flights don't exist. Once again get real guys.....we have some nasty flights and if you are a free being with no roster for a few days, you are likely to land one of them. This is just a reality....not EK scheduling trying to punish you.
In terms of those guys that gave up after a year....sure it does happen. There are realities to living here. Very often, the wife takes strain and if she is not happy, you gonna pick up problems. AC makes a valid point with his post in that it is a big decision and not to be taken lightly but I have to wonder where his mind was when he came for his interview. Its almost like it came as a surprise to him that you cannot change fleets, only have one base or that we fly through the night.
I actually wonder myself why I post here.......
Cerebus,
I believe there are company Kool Aid drinkers maybe paid by the company or at least strongly encourged to get on pprune and refute all "negative" postings.
Please can you point me in the direction of who hands out the cash for positive posting on Prune.....because right now damned if I'm not doing it for free.......its just not fair.
And what is this Kool Aid stuff
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Completely off the subject here, is it true a captain got asked to leave because on a leave ticket , he was giving a hostie some action in his firstclass cube?
Another was also asked to leave as he was giving one of the recruitement ladies deep ones in the business class toilets on a longhaul flight.
Dont correct my spelling i know its bad , just give us some info here !!!
Sounds like the easy way out of EK
Another was also asked to leave as he was giving one of the recruitement ladies deep ones in the business class toilets on a longhaul flight.
Dont correct my spelling i know its bad , just give us some info here !!!
Sounds like the easy way out of EK
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Jock,
Another was also asked to leave as he was giving one of the recruitement ladies deep ones in the business class toilets on a longhaul flight
Utter nonsense! It was the Economy class toilet!
Also have to interject about this sick pay crap...... A Capt on the B777 recently completed 7 months of sick leave after busting his leg in a desert motorbike accident. Company were (in his words) 'Brilliant' and was on full captains salary throughout.
Whats the problem? Do you guys expect a medal, and extra pay for being off sick?
Another was also asked to leave as he was giving one of the recruitement ladies deep ones in the business class toilets on a longhaul flight
Utter nonsense! It was the Economy class toilet!
Also have to interject about this sick pay crap...... A Capt on the B777 recently completed 7 months of sick leave after busting his leg in a desert motorbike accident. Company were (in his words) 'Brilliant' and was on full captains salary throughout.
Whats the problem? Do you guys expect a medal, and extra pay for being off sick?
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Oblaaspop,
Some people and some companies would consider your example disability instead of sick..........
Sick usually implies a short period of time at some companies and it is a shame,that if you are calling in sick for a trip, you might be missing out on the productivity pay!!
But we're all professionals right......???!!
Some people and some companies would consider your example disability instead of sick..........
Sick usually implies a short period of time at some companies and it is a shame,that if you are calling in sick for a trip, you might be missing out on the productivity pay!!
But we're all professionals right......???!!
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All employees are entitled to paid sick leave, as specified in their Contract of Employment.
Employee Handbook, Chapter 1 - A2, Page 1
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Unless you leave within the first couple of years EOSB doesn't apply - all management staff above grade 9 (includes Flight Crew) are in Provident Scheme instead of EOSB.
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As far as I know there isn,t any flag carrier in Europe (first world after all) with a different sick pay scheme.
Anyway has been in the contract as it is for a long time. maybe you U.S. boys who joined in the last 1 and a half year should have better read the fine print. To eager to jump from an regional I guess. After all its al about doing your homework isn,t. Shame you dragged your family into it.
Anyway has been in the contract as it is for a long time. maybe you U.S. boys who joined in the last 1 and a half year should have better read the fine print. To eager to jump from an regional I guess. After all its al about doing your homework isn,t. Shame you dragged your family into it.
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We are not talking about long term medical cases. What we were talking about is short term sick issues. This is when you are sick for a couple of days, 2-3 days. Emirates does not pay you for this. You lose the trip credit and you lose the productivity pay if you are in overtime. I don't know how they did it in Europe or even care but we should get full credit for the trip, pay and overtime. That is a sick pay system.
At EK if you call in sick you DO NOT GET PAID! I know a lot of you Kool Aid partitioners think Emirates is great and the world revolves around EK and you have had worked at places nothing better than EK but wake up and at least notice what you are missing. That is a simple request.
At EK if you call in sick you DO NOT GET PAID! I know a lot of you Kool Aid partitioners think Emirates is great and the world revolves around EK and you have had worked at places nothing better than EK but wake up and at least notice what you are missing. That is a simple request.
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Why do you think they started the flt pay system? Most pilots here are money hungry and as soon as they are in productivity they will think twice about booking off. But you still get all of your basic which is 90% of your total. Most airlines are pay for flying only, if they are on pure hourly they have a min pay for the month( @60-65) which covers off a book off with NO pay.
That is a sick pay system.
I don't know how they did it in Europe or even care
would not stand up under any test in the first world.
At EK if you call in sick you DO NOT GET PAID!
but wake up and at least notice what you are missing. That is a simple request.
You also get to fly for carriers that are hemorrhaging money, furloughing and downsizing or just plane going out of business. You get to spend years flying foe a regional on slave wages before finally cracking a major, only to find yourself back on the streets next time oil goes up (Oh, and FIRST WORLD countries have decent redundancy payment laws- not like that bosses Paradise in the US!).
Wake up and notice what you are NOT missing- Job Security for one.
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Basic salary-call sick-get paid.
Flight pay-call sick, you did not fly-don't get paid.
Productivity pay-call sick, you did not produce-don't ge paid.
Seems fair to me.
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Flight pay-call sick, you did not fly-don't get paid.
Productivity pay-call sick, you did not produce-don't ge paid.
Seems fair to me.
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Cerbus
You're talking utter tosh.
If you call in sick, you DO get paid. Simple as that. You get paid your basic salary at the months end, whether you've been sick for 2-3 days or the whole month. Of course you don't get flight pay. That's because you ain't done the flight you numpty. Why on earth should you get flight pay let alone overtime when you're at home. I've never known any Airline to do that. If they do that in the good ol' US of A, is it any wonder the Airlines are in such a mess out there.
Come out with that sort of crap on the line and it's a band aid you'll be needing, not kool aid.
You're talking utter tosh.
If you call in sick, you DO get paid. Simple as that. You get paid your basic salary at the months end, whether you've been sick for 2-3 days or the whole month. Of course you don't get flight pay. That's because you ain't done the flight you numpty. Why on earth should you get flight pay let alone overtime when you're at home. I've never known any Airline to do that. If they do that in the good ol' US of A, is it any wonder the Airlines are in such a mess out there.
Come out with that sort of crap on the line and it's a band aid you'll be needing, not kool aid.
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Sickpay, duty rules... to me these are minor things, but nice to know what the real deal is from the guys/gals on the line. But I have to be honest, the biggest issues for me are
1. Living there...temp/treatment of wives fam/feeling like a foriengner/driving/beyond the city.. anything? etc
2. Standard of living...
3. Why are all the Villa's the same.. is there a cash scheme so you can do your own thing?
4. How easy is it to get time off when you want... Mom and Dads 50th Anniversary coming up, and id rather lose my job than take the pain from my folks for missing that shin dig!
5. How easy is it to get out of Dubai/Abu Dhabi monthly if reqd
6. Is there a min duty pay for ultra short flights? Getting paid 3 hours for a 10 hour duty day is just not right.
7. final and biggest negative.... dir entry Commanders. BIG X on the deal breaker there. How do the current FO's feel about this. Why arent they upgraded?? Not good enough? The experience of the guys i've seen going in are much more than normal... should be proficient enough. Or is it just a matter of crew experience demographics... Take note if there are in fact company people parouzing this thread... this is for many the Deal breaker.
Thanks guys.
Orange.
1. Living there...temp/treatment of wives fam/feeling like a foriengner/driving/beyond the city.. anything? etc
2. Standard of living...
3. Why are all the Villa's the same.. is there a cash scheme so you can do your own thing?
4. How easy is it to get time off when you want... Mom and Dads 50th Anniversary coming up, and id rather lose my job than take the pain from my folks for missing that shin dig!
5. How easy is it to get out of Dubai/Abu Dhabi monthly if reqd
6. Is there a min duty pay for ultra short flights? Getting paid 3 hours for a 10 hour duty day is just not right.
7. final and biggest negative.... dir entry Commanders. BIG X on the deal breaker there. How do the current FO's feel about this. Why arent they upgraded?? Not good enough? The experience of the guys i've seen going in are much more than normal... should be proficient enough. Or is it just a matter of crew experience demographics... Take note if there are in fact company people parouzing this thread... this is for many the Deal breaker.
Thanks guys.
Orange.
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wizzo is a DEC, that is why he is so happy in the land of the sand. Emirates is also the best job he ever has had (says a lot of his mindset doesn't it) and he crossed the picket line in OZ to go to work for Anset. I thought the pilots in recruitment kept scum like him out of EK. No such luck for the pilot group anymore.
Well a sick based system would be you get paid for missing your trip. We will just have to disagree on that issue as well. I don't believe it is crap but a truly sick policy. I had no idea of the soft c$%& that make up EK pilots. Let's all bend over and take it where the sun don't shine because some of the world's airlines are having trouble. We don't deserve any work rules.
Why would any pilot join Emirates when the new hire knows full well how Emirates treats its employees. What they are saying is F%$# the FOs we don't care about you one bit. Buyer beware!
Well a sick based system would be you get paid for missing your trip. We will just have to disagree on that issue as well. I don't believe it is crap but a truly sick policy. I had no idea of the soft c$%& that make up EK pilots. Let's all bend over and take it where the sun don't shine because some of the world's airlines are having trouble. We don't deserve any work rules.
Why would any pilot join Emirates when the new hire knows full well how Emirates treats its employees. What they are saying is F%$# the FOs we don't care about you one bit. Buyer beware!
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Guys
I was seriously considering applying to Emirates, until i read this thread!
The world over, Airlines are struggling. If you've worked for a number of carriers (like me) who are only into cutting costs down as much as possible, then it seems to me that Emirates is still a good deal.
Please, can I get some real info about what it is really like working for Emirates?
Regards
Dashim
I was seriously considering applying to Emirates, until i read this thread!
The world over, Airlines are struggling. If you've worked for a number of carriers (like me) who are only into cutting costs down as much as possible, then it seems to me that Emirates is still a good deal.
Please, can I get some real info about what it is really like working for Emirates?
Regards
Dashim
Nice one cerbus (Did you mean Cerberus, the three-headed dog who guards hell? Also, AnsetT (two Ts)).
Can't hack the argument, so go for the man.
Nice.
Can't hack the argument, so go for the man.
Nice.
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