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Well done satire -
it was entertainin'. What's not so funny is the truth contained in your post and in many of the posts which follow. Living in Dubai has become brutal to the point of insanity. I am totally at a loss at the moment. The currency plummet has decimated my earnin's, the cost of livin' is risin' with the calender (many stores upped their prices earlier this month just 'cause it's the New Year). My barely adequate company accomodation is leakin' like a sieve in moderate rain and it's freezin the bejeezus out of the whole family... the company is makin' record profits, the city is rakin' in millions in tourist revenue, we're bustin' our humps to do our best and the company is showing us nothin' but contempt. It's beyond funny, it's grotesque.
But thanks for the laugh - I need it these days!
Well done satire -
it was entertainin'. What's not so funny is the truth contained in your post and in many of the posts which follow. Living in Dubai has become brutal to the point of insanity. I am totally at a loss at the moment. The currency plummet has decimated my earnin's, the cost of livin' is risin' with the calender (many stores upped their prices earlier this month just 'cause it's the New Year). My barely adequate company accomodation is leakin' like a sieve in moderate rain and it's freezin the bejeezus out of the whole family... the company is makin' record profits, the city is rakin' in millions in tourist revenue, we're bustin' our humps to do our best and the company is showing us nothin' but contempt. It's beyond funny, it's grotesque.But thanks for the laugh - I need it these days!
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I disagree with your view. Granted, many of the points you made about pay/accom/etc are valid. Also, the standard of "managers" in this company has consistently maintained it's low standard over the years; nothing new there.
What has changed is the productivity that has been railroaded down the throats of the pilots over the past 8 years. This has led to what was once a sought after airline to work for to one where you go to only if you have no other choice.
I would estimate we have provided a 30-40% increase in productivity for nothing in return other than the "honor" of having a job with Emirates. This has turned what was once an appealing job into a very, very average job.
I joined 2 years after you. If you were reading Pprune during those early years you will remember when the joke on the website was the Emirates pilots were not writing much (when asked questions about the company) because they were "too busy golfing and counting their money". This has obviously changed dramatically over the past 8 years.......just look at the negative posts on this site and the total dissatisfaction the majority of pilots have working for Emirates (pay, fatigue, etc) when discussing the job on the road.
As far as I am concerned, this job offers little in the way of lifestyle and little in the way of financial remuneration (which traditionally have been the 2 prime factors that have led pilots to leave their home countries to work in 3rd world countries). As such, it's only appeal is the chance to probably have a job in a possible world aviation downturn as Emirates will be hesitant to cancel all those orders and lay off pilots. That is the only appeal I can see in coming here today.
Funny but the other day I was in HQ doing some visa stuff. I saw a bunch of shiny new faces going through the "process"........the complaints I overheard from them about how "stupid" the entry process was made me laugh. All I could think was:
1) you have no idea how f#cked up this place is; just wait....this is just the beginning, and
2) how f#cking happy I was that I am more toward the end of this Emirates experience and how I am so thankful I'm not in their shoes.
Just my thoughts for what they're worth.
The only thing that has really changed are the market conditions and the number of pilots Emirates needs to recruit.
What has changed is the productivity that has been railroaded down the throats of the pilots over the past 8 years. This has led to what was once a sought after airline to work for to one where you go to only if you have no other choice.
I would estimate we have provided a 30-40% increase in productivity for nothing in return other than the "honor" of having a job with Emirates. This has turned what was once an appealing job into a very, very average job.
I joined 2 years after you. If you were reading Pprune during those early years you will remember when the joke on the website was the Emirates pilots were not writing much (when asked questions about the company) because they were "too busy golfing and counting their money". This has obviously changed dramatically over the past 8 years.......just look at the negative posts on this site and the total dissatisfaction the majority of pilots have working for Emirates (pay, fatigue, etc) when discussing the job on the road.
As far as I am concerned, this job offers little in the way of lifestyle and little in the way of financial remuneration (which traditionally have been the 2 prime factors that have led pilots to leave their home countries to work in 3rd world countries). As such, it's only appeal is the chance to probably have a job in a possible world aviation downturn as Emirates will be hesitant to cancel all those orders and lay off pilots. That is the only appeal I can see in coming here today.
Funny but the other day I was in HQ doing some visa stuff. I saw a bunch of shiny new faces going through the "process"........the complaints I overheard from them about how "stupid" the entry process was made me laugh. All I could think was:
1) you have no idea how f#cked up this place is; just wait....this is just the beginning, and
2) how f#cking happy I was that I am more toward the end of this Emirates experience and how I am so thankful I'm not in their shoes.
Just my thoughts for what they're worth.
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The job is undeniably becoming less demanding.
Specifically:
Have the entry requirements changed (reduced) over the past few years? Yes.
Are we working longer hours to more destinations? Yes.
Has training been outsourced and standards reduce? I believe so.
Have the minimum sectors for flying under instruction been reduced? Yes.
The bottom line is that the commercial imperative is undermining safety and that is all of our problem... Arsenal 1 training department 0.
Management, those who talk about flying rather than doing it, love the idea that the job is somehow less demanding these days than 'the old days' and that the aircraft do the job for us... Well they should do for $200,000,000 a piece but they can still make the same big hole in the ground if we f**k up.
It doesn't take a brain surgeon let alone a pilot to see that something is going to give.
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Congoman,
You sure are vehement for someone who hasnt worked for EK. Ulterior motive maybe?
Alghazal,
You show an endearing nievety re the realities of JARland if you think RYR is to be prefered to ek. A bigger bunch of tinkers would be hard to find.
The grass is not greener here. Ask the gus at XL, ryr, et al.
Freedom of speech yes but the rot is industry wide. If you dont like ek style you wont last long at ryr.
On the ageing widebody circuit the same people are chasing the same jobs, company hopping and hoping for nirvanna at every move. Doesnt happen just horse trading folowed by the usual cylcle of moaning about the company the rostas and the managemnet incompetance. Ask a selection of 767 drivers (excluding the mergers) its like groundhog day. GSM,ZOOM,etc etc.
And so it goes
Im not disputing there are issues at ek, but it is not alone.
Same sh1t everywhere its just the depth that varies.
I have a number of colleagues heading to the pit. Qualified, experienced (20yrs plus)and sick of constant threat of downsizing or whatever the latest bullsh1t is. The bull**** might wear a different tail but they are working. Their decsion to go is not because they are a substandard driver gulped up by ek but because the industry is in sh1tstate
Not liking Dubai or EK is a valid point but keep going east my friend. Europe is not your nirvanna.
You sure are vehement for someone who hasnt worked for EK. Ulterior motive maybe?
Alghazal,
You show an endearing nievety re the realities of JARland if you think RYR is to be prefered to ek. A bigger bunch of tinkers would be hard to find.
The grass is not greener here. Ask the gus at XL, ryr, et al.
Freedom of speech yes but the rot is industry wide. If you dont like ek style you wont last long at ryr.
On the ageing widebody circuit the same people are chasing the same jobs, company hopping and hoping for nirvanna at every move. Doesnt happen just horse trading folowed by the usual cylcle of moaning about the company the rostas and the managemnet incompetance. Ask a selection of 767 drivers (excluding the mergers) its like groundhog day. GSM,ZOOM,etc etc.
And so it goes
Im not disputing there are issues at ek, but it is not alone.
Same sh1t everywhere its just the depth that varies.
I have a number of colleagues heading to the pit. Qualified, experienced (20yrs plus)and sick of constant threat of downsizing or whatever the latest bullsh1t is. The bull**** might wear a different tail but they are working. Their decsion to go is not because they are a substandard driver gulped up by ek but because the industry is in sh1tstate
Not liking Dubai or EK is a valid point but keep going east my friend. Europe is not your nirvanna.
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Guys,
The only way things will ever change is by movement by left seaters. Regional jet pilots looking for a left seat job in less than five years will always be available for the right seat at EK. But trained captains leaving will have an affect. With contracts for JetStar, AirIndia, KAL and Cathay with home basings, you guys in the 'pit have an option. Five years ago, there perhaps wasn't an option, but today there is. The contracts there are equal or better, but with home basings.......you can put up with a lot knowing you are in your own home country.
My friends tell me that you guys are losing a few captains to the above contracts. But are the numbers any different than in the past? And what's with the rain these days? I come to DXB to get away from crud in the northeast in the States and what....rain?
Good luck, boys..
The only way things will ever change is by movement by left seaters. Regional jet pilots looking for a left seat job in less than five years will always be available for the right seat at EK. But trained captains leaving will have an affect. With contracts for JetStar, AirIndia, KAL and Cathay with home basings, you guys in the 'pit have an option. Five years ago, there perhaps wasn't an option, but today there is. The contracts there are equal or better, but with home basings.......you can put up with a lot knowing you are in your own home country.
My friends tell me that you guys are losing a few captains to the above contracts. But are the numbers any different than in the past? And what's with the rain these days? I come to DXB to get away from crud in the northeast in the States and what....rain?
Good luck, boys..
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congoman,
Obviously EK's management pales in comparison to those juggernauts that make up the South African airline industry. This is reflected in EK's sluggish growth with regard to both aircraft and pilot numbers, as well as it's minuscule nett profit over the last decade or so.
I therefore commend your decision to remain in that powerhouse of world aviation and would in the strongest possible terms dissuade anybody from setting foot in this despicable place, lest they end up in divorce court, fearing for their jobs and driving a Nissan Sunny.
P.S. That first post was a wind up. This one is not at all sarcastic.
Obviously EK's management pales in comparison to those juggernauts that make up the South African airline industry. This is reflected in EK's sluggish growth with regard to both aircraft and pilot numbers, as well as it's minuscule nett profit over the last decade or so.
I therefore commend your decision to remain in that powerhouse of world aviation and would in the strongest possible terms dissuade anybody from setting foot in this despicable place, lest they end up in divorce court, fearing for their jobs and driving a Nissan Sunny.
P.S. That first post was a wind up. This one is not at all sarcastic.
