GF Missing Millions
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Reading the replies from (presumably) pilots and F/Os has been a real eyeopener.
I am so disappointed with your attitudes of taking out on a passenger instead of directing your opinions towards your management.
It is a real real disappointment and has seriously undermined my previously head belief in the "professionalism under duress" image I had of all GF crew.
So sad to read
I am so disappointed with your attitudes of taking out on a passenger instead of directing your opinions towards your management.
It is a real real disappointment and has seriously undermined my previously head belief in the "professionalism under duress" image I had of all GF crew.
So sad to read
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Safety! Safety! However, keep an eye on the business and never underestimate it. You need to fly the business safely otherwise head somewhere else.
But look what happened to the thread "GF Missing Millions"? GF should pull out of it as the main sponsor. The name Bahrain should be the one written all over. Sooner or later that GP will go to Qatar. There is more money there.
But look what happened to the thread "GF Missing Millions"? GF should pull out of it as the main sponsor. The name Bahrain should be the one written all over. Sooner or later that GP will go to Qatar. There is more money there.
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Firstly apologies the post went the way it did.
Secondly I have no desire to ever be a pilot and inflict the personal and social ills it brings on ones life..albeit I admire those of you who chose the profession. I further would not choose to be a pilot in a part of the world my rights are as solid as cotton candy/fairy floss(depending where u come from).
So those of you who feel superior because of your status as pilots and myself as a mere passenger think again. I will say it till im blue in the face we F and J pax pay your salaries..simple and its quite interesting how some of you have reacted to that fact. If it bothers you that much go fly cargo where that will be paying for your salaries instead and wont ever challenge you by raising it here on such a forum.
GF pilots who use F seats loudly esp when crew rest is empty need to be reprimanded. Its highly unprofessional and takes away from the job the great crew you guys have who obviously put up with rude pax, poor conditions, crap ac etc and still manage to smile. GO USE YOUR CREW REST that was my sole argument..nothing else. If you need to use F seat do it low profile!!... too much to ask from a pax who has payed on average 10K USD for a multi sector trip within the GCC at any one time?? and I do that 5-6 times a year. I fly F for the space and quiet and have no tollerance for an inconsiderate pilot to disrupt that blatently.
As for the 767 I have re routed many segments upon realising it was the servicing ac....I refuse to pay for J on it..simple. The landings, well it came from one of YOU guys beside me on a flight once that the landing gear when down lies at an unusual angle hence the rougher landings compared to other ac..I'm no engineer so my bibliography is GF flight crew here!
I have been laughed at and ridiculed for maintaining loyalty to GF by MANY collegues and contacts within the GCC and elswhere while the likes of EY, EK and QR are available...VERY easy for me to walk guys but I like something about GF and Bahrain, GF network and the human face of BAH as a transit airport and city, let alone the bargain F class product. I still think GF has a great product and lot going for it and really hope the Arabs and Western expats at the top work for the airline and not thier ego or pockets. I look at the likes of MEA wholly middle eastern run, superb ac, great service with probably 25% of the working capital of GF/Bahrain, economic and political instability yet still working...what's GF's excuse?....think about it!
Some of your responses leave alot to be desired and I apologise for ruffling some of your 'golden' feathers but I have every right to voice my opinon..I pay yr salary remember
Secondly I have no desire to ever be a pilot and inflict the personal and social ills it brings on ones life..albeit I admire those of you who chose the profession. I further would not choose to be a pilot in a part of the world my rights are as solid as cotton candy/fairy floss(depending where u come from).
So those of you who feel superior because of your status as pilots and myself as a mere passenger think again. I will say it till im blue in the face we F and J pax pay your salaries..simple and its quite interesting how some of you have reacted to that fact. If it bothers you that much go fly cargo where that will be paying for your salaries instead and wont ever challenge you by raising it here on such a forum.
GF pilots who use F seats loudly esp when crew rest is empty need to be reprimanded. Its highly unprofessional and takes away from the job the great crew you guys have who obviously put up with rude pax, poor conditions, crap ac etc and still manage to smile. GO USE YOUR CREW REST that was my sole argument..nothing else. If you need to use F seat do it low profile!!... too much to ask from a pax who has payed on average 10K USD for a multi sector trip within the GCC at any one time?? and I do that 5-6 times a year. I fly F for the space and quiet and have no tollerance for an inconsiderate pilot to disrupt that blatently.
As for the 767 I have re routed many segments upon realising it was the servicing ac....I refuse to pay for J on it..simple. The landings, well it came from one of YOU guys beside me on a flight once that the landing gear when down lies at an unusual angle hence the rougher landings compared to other ac..I'm no engineer so my bibliography is GF flight crew here!
I have been laughed at and ridiculed for maintaining loyalty to GF by MANY collegues and contacts within the GCC and elswhere while the likes of EY, EK and QR are available...VERY easy for me to walk guys but I like something about GF and Bahrain, GF network and the human face of BAH as a transit airport and city, let alone the bargain F class product. I still think GF has a great product and lot going for it and really hope the Arabs and Western expats at the top work for the airline and not thier ego or pockets. I look at the likes of MEA wholly middle eastern run, superb ac, great service with probably 25% of the working capital of GF/Bahrain, economic and political instability yet still working...what's GF's excuse?....think about it!
Some of your responses leave alot to be desired and I apologise for ruffling some of your 'golden' feathers but I have every right to voice my opinon..I pay yr salary remember
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Just to back you up on that, for some weird reason, I too always fly GF (only exception was S Africa and Khatoum once). There is something of a club about it although I am increasingly finding that newer cabin crew just don't "get" the thing about living in Bahrain and how it is a club of sorts.
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We should also remember that the airline business is a very low margin business. Even airlines with the best management will go once in a while in big debt and sometimes never recover.
So making money in the airline business is difficult. GF is no exception. Do you really think that QR or EY are making money?
Gulf Air is a goverment company in a very regulated ME aviation market. In these markets, goverment funding is a MUST, to be able to compete with other airlines (EK - EY etc.). Think about europe 20 years ago and Sabena, Air France, Swissair. Same story.
But maybe one day the ME will deregulate like the US and Europe before, and then only the strongest will survive...
BD
So making money in the airline business is difficult. GF is no exception. Do you really think that QR or EY are making money?
Gulf Air is a goverment company in a very regulated ME aviation market. In these markets, goverment funding is a MUST, to be able to compete with other airlines (EK - EY etc.). Think about europe 20 years ago and Sabena, Air France, Swissair. Same story.
But maybe one day the ME will deregulate like the US and Europe before, and then only the strongest will survive...
BD
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Yes, it seems this exchange between pilots and pax leave much to be desired.
Though this should not be taken as an image of the pilots of said company or any company for that matter.
As you can see, there are only a very few pilots who commented aggressively against the pax, I think only 3 or 4. So it really doesn't paint an accurate picture of what and how all the pilots think.
As we all know, we pilots could disagree on a whole lot of topics and that is why airlines and aircraft manufacturers have Standard Operating Procedures so the 2 guys in front would agree and expect what the other guy would do on almost every instance regarding flying. And when he does something unexpected by the other guy, he calls it out and the other corrects it.
Unfortunately, these same airlines can not really impose SOPs on topics outside aircraft operation. So I guess it's better to keep everything in perspective and not jump into conclusions based on what 3 or 4 people said, regarding an airline or any other company for that matter...
But, having said that, the previous exchanges were quite interesting, to say the least...
Though this should not be taken as an image of the pilots of said company or any company for that matter.
As you can see, there are only a very few pilots who commented aggressively against the pax, I think only 3 or 4. So it really doesn't paint an accurate picture of what and how all the pilots think.
As we all know, we pilots could disagree on a whole lot of topics and that is why airlines and aircraft manufacturers have Standard Operating Procedures so the 2 guys in front would agree and expect what the other guy would do on almost every instance regarding flying. And when he does something unexpected by the other guy, he calls it out and the other corrects it.
Unfortunately, these same airlines can not really impose SOPs on topics outside aircraft operation. So I guess it's better to keep everything in perspective and not jump into conclusions based on what 3 or 4 people said, regarding an airline or any other company for that matter...
But, having said that, the previous exchanges were quite interesting, to say the least...
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I guess the next step would be for GF to tape my fingers to my zipper in order to prevent me from typing away at some incongruous passenger remarks on a site meant for pilots.
Why to my fly?
I will let you just imagine what I would like to tell ODMEA next...
Why to my fly?
I will let you just imagine what I would like to tell ODMEA next...
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Sorry Guys but I have just flown as a Pax with my family on a GF 767 and the a/c are a disgrace!.....
I cant comment on the safety of the a/c but before the major maintenance they certainly were unsafe!.....how can you expect passengers to have confidence with all that has gone on.
As for the childish comments from from some supposed GF flightcrew.....well
Grow up..and stop dragging public opinion lower than it already is!
I cant comment on the safety of the a/c but before the major maintenance they certainly were unsafe!.....how can you expect passengers to have confidence with all that has gone on.
As for the childish comments from from some supposed GF flightcrew.....well
Grow up..and stop dragging public opinion lower than it already is!
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[/I cant comment on the safety of the a/c but before the major maintenance they certainly were unsafe!.....QUOTE]
Just wanted to ask you what are your basis to make such an statement specially considering that you are not a pilot nor a flight engineer???? Most definitely, your ignorance is very daring. The fact that the interior of the 767 fleet don't look very good doesn't necessarily mean that the a/c is unsafe or that it represents a threat to you or your beloved family mate. Let me enlighten you a little bit and put you back into reality, I'm a GF 767 pilot and before thinking about your safety, I THINK ABOUT MY OWN SAFETY FIRST and can tell you that none of us (767 flight deck) would fly an unsafe airplane. Again, and this is also for your information, before you dare to write something so stupid again, we use an approved MEL (approved by the manufacturer [Boeing] and also by the DGCAM Oman) to determine if the airplane is airworthy. Evidently, some times we have to deal with some tricky failures on the airplane NOT necessarily dangerous but tricky, but for that matters, we use something known as airmanship and dude, let me tell you that most of the guys I've flown with in GF are excellent professionals. Next time be a little more respectful and keep your mouth shut when you have no idea of what you are talking about.
Just wanted to ask you what are your basis to make such an statement specially considering that you are not a pilot nor a flight engineer???? Most definitely, your ignorance is very daring. The fact that the interior of the 767 fleet don't look very good doesn't necessarily mean that the a/c is unsafe or that it represents a threat to you or your beloved family mate. Let me enlighten you a little bit and put you back into reality, I'm a GF 767 pilot and before thinking about your safety, I THINK ABOUT MY OWN SAFETY FIRST and can tell you that none of us (767 flight deck) would fly an unsafe airplane. Again, and this is also for your information, before you dare to write something so stupid again, we use an approved MEL (approved by the manufacturer [Boeing] and also by the DGCAM Oman) to determine if the airplane is airworthy. Evidently, some times we have to deal with some tricky failures on the airplane NOT necessarily dangerous but tricky, but for that matters, we use something known as airmanship and dude, let me tell you that most of the guys I've flown with in GF are excellent professionals. Next time be a little more respectful and keep your mouth shut when you have no idea of what you are talking about.
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Speaking of millions...:
http://www.gulfnews.com/sport/Motor_.../10154269.html
http://www.gulfnews.com/sport/Motor_.../10154269.html
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No escape
Those who think that they are going to be able to hide under the cover of Bahrainisation and the anonymity of small title are wrong. No stone will be left unturned and regardless of creed color or race they will be followed till the end.
Good news on the gdn
Good news on the gdn
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Just remember ODMEA, the crews need the proper tools to do the job...while the professionalism of all involved makes GF a safe airline to fly on, the customer comfort/convnience items are most assuredly in need of attention..so no need to pop up here blasting away on your trumpet and exalting yourself to a "salary paying" status, and attacking the crews...we all do the best given the tools we are provided with..and of course it is disappointing to us as well when we cannot offer the best travel experience for our esteemed fare-paying passengers .and those of us staying are sure as things get rolling here those tools will be in much better shape, and your loyalty as a passenger will be rewarded...we do appreciate your comments and of course your continued support as a passenger.
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Iron Butt,
I feel I had every right yet again to "attack" unprofessional flight deck crew for the inapropriate use of F class. 1, Crew rest was empty 2, they used F class in a most disturbing fashion to other paying F class pax, including myself.
I never attacked crew needlessly, in fact I have said I admire and respect you guys for being pilots and tansporting me around safely.
Thanks for your message but please read what it is I have in fact said in my posts. If I have otherwise been out of line it was perhaps instigated by the pilots remarks made here against my legitimate complaint.
I look forward to flying a better GF product in the near future. Let's hope it does indeed go well.
Oddy.
I feel I had every right yet again to "attack" unprofessional flight deck crew for the inapropriate use of F class. 1, Crew rest was empty 2, they used F class in a most disturbing fashion to other paying F class pax, including myself.
I never attacked crew needlessly, in fact I have said I admire and respect you guys for being pilots and tansporting me around safely.
Thanks for your message but please read what it is I have in fact said in my posts. If I have otherwise been out of line it was perhaps instigated by the pilots remarks made here against my legitimate complaint.
I look forward to flying a better GF product in the near future. Let's hope it does indeed go well.
Oddy.
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Hopefully someone will be spared from this anti-corruption drive and some crew will be left to take you to where you have to go. By the looks of it is sounds like the whole organisation is going to be dusted, and if I were you with all our thanks i would sincerely recommend you take your business elsewhere. its a real mess ODMEA more than you could ever imagine.
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Who has failed?
Brandzag,
Who has failed, the employees or the management and the board?
Thank you.
Spare me your godlike rethoric and comeback down to earth will you, every pilot and staff member who has written here have raised the spectre of the ill consequences of poor management and what have management done? They have done it again screwed this airline to the ground and taken its reputation with it.
F-ALL!
But to add insult to injury we also have to endure the blissful comments of an @sehole who deems it his duty to further humiliate us.
Why don't you tak a ride off into the sunset mate and see if I am there!
As a pilot it is my bloody right and that of IB to write on this thread and say what others who are higher than me in the food chain and paid to do so fail to even fathom.
Who has failed, the employees or the management and the board?
Thank you.
Spare me your godlike rethoric and comeback down to earth will you, every pilot and staff member who has written here have raised the spectre of the ill consequences of poor management and what have management done? They have done it again screwed this airline to the ground and taken its reputation with it.
F-ALL!
But to add insult to injury we also have to endure the blissful comments of an @sehole who deems it his duty to further humiliate us.
Why don't you tak a ride off into the sunset mate and see if I am there!
As a pilot it is my bloody right and that of IB to write on this thread and say what others who are higher than me in the food chain and paid to do so fail to even fathom.
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I did not realise you had a degree in psychiatry but good on you for clarifying my personal problems, perhaps if you gave me your address I will come and consult on your sofa.
No they just flocked the market and whatever profile they adopted their entry into the Gulf labour market is well documented.
An Ozzie is an Ozzie, let us not go into that!
bye!
what humiliation ANSETT pilots had to go through, but they behaved very professionally throughout the ordeal
No they just flocked the market and whatever profile they adopted their entry into the Gulf labour market is well documented.
An Ozzie is an Ozzie, let us not go into that!
bye!
