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Old 26th Nov 2012, 17:28
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dude, no offense, ive sent over 150 applications (uncountably more) to possibly more than 10 countries, ive had good jobs in between, yes. but only ground jobs.
i try to go to most applications in person. many seem to have a good impression but dont hire low timers/non type rated guys.

implementing that i "dont get my ass up" is just ridicolous.

the thing is, foreign small companies rarely hire foreigners. the general aviation back home (anywhere actually) dont hire unexperienced pilots.
the flying i do is self sponsored on gliders, motorgliders and single engine piston.

if you know a job where i can fly for food or even for nothing at all - just LETTING me fly - i dont care if its a small single engine piston and i live in a tent, as long as i can fly - send me a pm, i will relocate (im currently planning for going after bush flying, but even there, most of the companies are not hiring currently).
im flying solo since im 14, its what i want to do for a living.

for me, qatar IS the golden egg.

edit: ah yeah, im waiting 13 months for qatar already. i never said i expect a jet job straight out of school. where did i ever say that?! im working towards ANY flying job for like 30 months now. i turned down 1 very good learjetjob for qatar airways, as it was supposed to start the next month for me.

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Old 26th Nov 2012, 17:36
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@ Tritzo.

Thanks. However I never said that I will quit aviation or do something else than flying. As a mater of fact, I applied for SO but I wasn't a fresh guy out of flight school. Had well above 1400H total and now even more. I have been instructing for the past 3 years

@ jiba,

Yes, that's the truth. Lots of youngsters think that after flight school it's straight onto a 737, eventhough some, with their connections...etc managed to. But that's not the point of our discussion.

My mistake was to put all my eggs in one basket and I learned the hard way that its not an option. Worked harder as i had lost all the job opportunities that I had because of all the waiting thing...etc but thanks god the efforts paid off, and now moved on to F/O B1900D. A whole new adventure, and for sure I won't do the same mistake again.
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Old 26th Nov 2012, 18:03
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Thanks for the reality check Jib, it does bite. The truth might be harsh sometimes. But dont make all of the pilots that are waiting some uninformed bunch of wannabes dreaming their jet nirvana.

A lot of us are actually fairly experienced pilots, some captains, most FOs, with thousands of hours of jet time, that have made a choice to relocate to a very different place, because we have been invited to join this company under certain T&C. We did not beg on our knees in front of the QR tower, but rather have entered a standard business transaction between two parties. We have been asked a date to be ready, we made the arrangements to honor this date and now we are idling for months with no clue of what is going on.

And concerning those few poor chaps with low hours waiting for their NTSO chance, if QR does not want them, then they should not make interviews and promising jobs. Its like inviting a hungry man to your house, putting a warm full plate of good food in front of him, then pulling the plate away, leaving the guy drooling on the chair and taking a long vacation.
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Old 26th Nov 2012, 18:34
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Spoken like a true Westerner. If you expect any of the ME carrieres to treat you like this, you are in for a rude awakening.
I suggest you reread all the info on what to expect when (and if) you come to QR. It will save you a lot of headache.

No offence.
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Old 26th Nov 2012, 22:15
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Dear Qataris can someone inform me, if there is a full course from 340 to 330, or a CCQ, and what the bond is in both cases......(dec)
Waiting a year now to join, but already in a well payed job, brings me in a difficult position.....to decide to join and leave my job, or stay here, and leave QR.

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Old 27th Nov 2012, 06:43
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Dear Qataris can someone inform me, if there is a full course from 340 to 330, or a CCQ, and what the bond is in both cases......(dec)
Waiting a year now to join, but already in a well payed job, brings me in a difficult position.....to decide to join and leave my job, or stay here, and leave QR.
!!!!STAY IN YOUR CURRENT JOB!!!!
If your bored, find a new hobby to do! Do not come to QR. When you get here, after the initial thrill of somewhere different wears off and you look at all the shitty service and the shitty office staff who cant get there act together or even help you (not all of them, just most of them) you will say to yourself "what the have I done"!
You have been warned.
Go to Emirates before you come to QR, you certainly wont regret that.

Could you give us any details about this new FTSO bond please ? Which are the changes ?
There is alot of info on this thread so a search can be really effective.
I answered that in basic detail here.
but also a thread on the subject here as well: http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/48...w-joiners.html
Basically its like this:
$75,000 over 5 years.
$25,000 taken out in payments from day you join; approx 4000Riyal p/m.(not refundable);
Then, once your lucky enough to start line training they will start to take out the other $50,000 over the 5years. (approx another 3 - 4k QR p/m)
NOTE: LINE TRAINING MEANS JUST ONE FLIGHT, CURRENTLY TAKING OVER 13MONTHS TO TRAIN FTSO'S AND CLOSE TO 18MONTHS FOR SO'S. (25k given back after 5 years! no interest etc)
This means that your living off the following:
FTSO/SO basic salary: 9000QR
transport: 1000QR
Total of 10,000QR BEFORE bond payments come out!
IGNORE THE HOUSING ALLOWANCE as you will use all of it to even get a shitty studio room with no kitchen; unless you live with at least 3 other people and get a 3Br unit.... housing is WAY overpriced and market is manipulated in doha.

THIS MEANS you will be living of not much while you waste your life sitting around waiting for any training scraps they through at the odd 100+ SO's waiting. Dont worry, its ok if your Qatari, you live on a wage thats similar to an FO and get treated like royalty in the rosters, while anyone else is forced to eat shite
Enjoy that...... NOT.

Oh my,

yes there is a hard time in the economy now.
HOWEVER, it is always "hard" in aviation..... why dont you low time pilots actually go and do some work in G.A if you can get it, instead of just thinking that the "industry" owes you a jet job!

My lord, I would have never thought that I could walk out of flight school and get a Jet rating and get a job! YOU HAVE TO BUST YOUR BUTT and work for shitty employers, or doing freight runs in piston aircraft, instructing or even other airwork like parachute dropping etc.

Also, you have to move around.... i.e RELOCATE! Do it! stop whinging and stop making the qatar airways your golden goose egg. Its just a job. A job thats nice, sure, but it always has a cost that you wannabe's dont or cant see.

Airline flying is not like "fun" learning to fly stuff.... yes yes you know that.... yes yes, i know, some of you are have family etc I know. Its hard, BELIEVE ME i know!

Some other posters have hit the home truths in this forum and all I see is posts straight after them completely ignoring the expirence they gave and the fact that they are telling you that its a problem with HR/Recruitment/Training and you all still rub your hands together saying 'still swimming'..... read between the lines, it aint gonna happen quick for most of you!

You think that waiting 12 months is horrible, man, thousands of pilots where I come from wait years to get into a jet. Maybe its just a europe thing to expect a jet straight outa school or with small hours built up? Either way, just go and find the piston experience first and then keep climbing the ladder. The experience you obtain from doing it that way (YES EVEN WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE GOLDEN GOOSE) may provide you with more confidence and options than you can see right now.

Pilots accept reality, not make believe;
The proof is in the amount of communication QR gives you, the ease of speaking to somebody, the ease of a returned email? I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, LESS THAN A FEW PERCENT OF PEOPLE EVER GET A REPLY or returned phone call.
Most of you will just be ignored. That really does tell you something about your status.

...... my 2 cents.... and believe me i know.

Good luck.
@ j_j
+100
Couldnt have said it better myself!!
Dont give up any opportunity if they come up before QR!!!!
I think this is to give you guys a shot in the arm, to get you moving and take action; dont sit around wasting your time waiting for QR. If it happens, it happens, if not keep your eyes open for other opportunities!

keep smiling,
D.

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Old 27th Nov 2012, 11:03
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Hi! With ref: to the DEC B777 ad' on the website, please can someone either post a link on here to the financial package & typical rostering for the B777?

Also over the next few years, is the B787 likely to be taking over the A330 routes?

Please PM if you don't want to post.

Many thanks

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Old 27th Nov 2012, 14:00
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Guys, imagine that the current thruth scenario is that QR changed his mind regarding his “talent pool” now trying to discourage you politely?Maybe It won’t be nice if many more other Shaggy330 appears here…But guys, really it is not the fault of QR if you declined other job opportunities but only yours.

I think that in 2012 QR already hired the people they need including NTSO, FTSO, FO. The guys who joined have been interviewed in the same period of time as you. Most of them are already in Doha, the rest approaching their DOJ already set. Accept the reality. You wait for 2013? you’re playing the lottery…you may win who knows
if you know a job where i can fly for food or even for nothing at all - just LETTING me fly - i dont care if its a small single engine piston and i live in a tent, as long as i can fly - send me a pm, i will relocate (im currently planning for going after bush flying, but even there, most of the companies are not hiring currently).
im flying solo since im 14, its what i want to do for a living.
Come on Tritzo, respect yourself…You better insult any guy who give you this kind of job offer. Is flying a small machine more important than your dignity? If you guys had a brain to get your JAA licence you probably have a good one to get another decent job especially if you’re a young chap because after that it will be too late for you.
My lord, I would have never thought that I could walk out of flight school and get a Jet rating and get a job! YOU HAVE TO BUST YOUR BUTT and work for shitty employers, or doing freight runs in piston aircraft, instructing or even other airwork like parachute dropping etc.
Come on… if your goal is to be a jet airline pilot flying in G.A won’t give you a damn thing. Even with 5000h of piston, your value is zero for the “jet world”. Go for it only if you love G.A because high chance is you’ll be stuck in.
Only if you’re full of money to upgrade yourself during this time may help you or you know a key person of the “jet world” close to you or you’re a national of a country with lack of suitable locals or you manage to enter a ab-initio programme. Otherwise you’re loosing your time I’m afraid.

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Old 27th Nov 2012, 15:26
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'' Guys, imagine that the current thruth scenario is that QR changed his mind regarding his “talent pool” now trying to discourage you politely?Maybe It won’t be nice if many more other Shaggy330 appears here…But guys, really it is not the fault of QR if you declined other job opportunities but only yours.''


You really believe that it is not a fault of an airline to keep delaying people who after investing their time for preparation,travel,sitting for the exams ... and finally having been succesful in their assessment now sitting idle for months? I think that it is normal in any industry worldwide that someone who is succesful in an interview/assessment gets offered a job afterwards.
So it is our fault that we are so crazy to expect employment after all this? Isnt it logical to think that an airline that invested tones of money in recruiting people they would more likely want to use these people at the end? Isnt it logical that some of us declined jobs because of our expectation that we are joining Qatar? Or should we accept every job offer and sign 3 or 4 contracts at the same time? You think that makes more sense?
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 16:01
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the thing is, qatar is cofunded by the government. basically, they can afford it to invite people for assessments and not hiring them although they passed.

youre right, it doesnt make sense sometimes, but thats how it goes. i think the better argument over money would rather be the assessment induced blocked training capacities.
blocked sim slots for all the screenings and binding of manpower (selection captains), who could also be used as type rating instructor or supervision pilot instead. (to clear the backlog)
despise of all that, qatar still interviewed a lot of people this year. and still is.

why? i dont know. not all the things have to be logical (for our sense) in the middle east.

if they want to do something - they will do it.


@RK303
you understand me wrong maybe. i will not pay to fly. i will not sell my soul.
still, as soon as i get paid for what i like doing the most - flying - for me, any flying job is a win win situation.
and definitely better than working nothing at all.
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 18:27
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RK303 :
Come on… if your goal is to be a jet airline pilot flying in G.A won’t give you a damn thing. Even with 5000h of piston, your value is zero for the “jet world”. Go for it only if you love G.A because high chance is you’ll be stuck in.
Only if you’re full of money to upgrade yourself during this time may help you or you know a key person of the “jet world” close to you or you’re a national of a country with lack of suitable locals or you manage to enter a ab-initio programme. Otherwise you’re loosing your time I’m afraid.
Not true at all RK303. My question is would you trust a person with 300hrs total time in a jet with your family? or would you trust a person with 5000hrs in G.A that dealt with bad weather, passengers, other possible emergencies/problems...... I know who I would choose.
What your advocating is for the smallest of percentage of people out there; know sombody or pay to get a jet rating!!! Neither of which has any advantage to the person other than to drain their wallet and sell them dreams.
They dont have time on type and therefore very uncompetative for most 'Jet' jobs. Thats why they need to work G.A.... that is:
single engine --> twin engine piston --> twin engine turbine(RPT)--> jet job)

Work in G.A if you get a shot. its the only way until you get the miracle golden goose egg called a 'jet job'..... and thats when you realise your either lucky to get a jet job in a good company that respects you , or one that makes you tear your hair out with frustration (QR).

Dont buy into the hype about Jet this and Jets that.... is all B.S.
The secret in aviation that nobody tells you is that you have to set a limit on your chasing the carrot.
There is always something bigger, faster, sleeker, seats more pax.... but you have to draw that line somewhere;

and thats where G.A comes into it.... unless you have experienced many different things in G.A then you will never have anything to compare it too when you obtain that "jet job".
Its not the be all and end all at all; I know countless people that denied going into heavies and other jet jobs because they realised that fact underlined above. Many are staying in their turboprop jobs (Q400's, twin otters etc) because they love the flying they do, the lifestyle is great for them and they dont need to be the "jet" guy at the cocktail party.

I am not saying dont do jets, I am saying two things;
Get experience where you can, regardless of what it is, and move up in a/c as your experience grows....
Secondly, you dont need to buy a jet rating straight out of school or even if you have 1000hrs.... it is useless unless you either have a job at the end of it or > 500Hrs on it.

personally, i would not advocate buying ratings at all for jets. thats something the employer should provide and they aint gonna give it to a 200hr pilot generrally.

Save your money guys
peace out and dont knockback any opportunity if it comes before QR....

good luck.
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 19:17
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Chrislikesblue, I do understand 100% why someone declined a job because of all of this. Of course.QR has his responsability you’re right.

BUT, the problem is that YOU made the choice at the end. Someone sent you a generic e-mail saying “congrats and wait” while another one called you to come to work right away. Many guys came here to ask some advices before then made the choice...

Sad situation yeah, but how to blame now when you never signed any contract while refusing a job offer?

@ disagreeable

single engine --> twin engine piston --> twin engine turbine(RPT)--> jet job)
With no additional investment for 90% of the people? really? Well... Ok

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Old 27th Nov 2012, 21:18
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Someone sent you a generic e-mail saying “congrats and wait"
RK303, unfortunately, we are not talking just about some generic messages, but about actual Offers of employement, with all the specifics, signed, sent back and accepted by QR. You have to agree with me that it is a very different thing. There is no way one can find an excuse for that.

I dont believe that anybody can seriously suggest, yeah, accept/sign a couple of offers and then just show up for whoever calls first with a DoJ... If I would look away from the ethical aspect of such a behaviour, from the practical perspective, it would not be a very wise move to bar in such a way potential employers in the future neither, would it...

But the root of the problem, in my opinion, does not lie in the fact that we still dont know the actual DoJ. I am aware that we work in an industry where things change fast with a lot of uncertainties, there are furloughs, layoffs, bankrupties, and so on, thats part of the game. The problem lies in the lack of information, it is that simple.

How different would it be for everyone to receive a mail saying: Gentleman, we aologise for the delay. We want you at our company, there is a position waiting for you, but due to late deliveries, pls give us a few more months. The situation is such and such. There is some 400 pilots selected, the time frame can span from this to this date, but you will be working by next summer at the latest if you can wait that long. We will do our best to accomodate your needs should you find a temporary job to span this period, because we understand that you have to feed the family.

And then a short mail every month, saying, yes, we are still here, and we still want you...
Am I pushing it? Maybe, but it would be polite...
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 22:35
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Maybe that is supposed to be the purpose of all the 3-4 monthly updates. (for me: February, May, August, now soon hopefully something positive in November)

Getting an update at all, and also positive answers that everything with the application seems okay when calling or emailing the recruitment department, I guess those "regular" updates should be enough.

The thing is, personally I would feel much better on a monthly update, because you dont really know whats going on. They seem to have a big pool, but instead of decreasing it, they still do new interviews.

Also, I guess if you push the calling and emailing part too much, they will not consider you anymore, as it gets annoying to get calls from 300-500 people every other day (which is kinda true. even if its only 10% of those people). For me, also the reason why I stopped to call/email after the August update.

I will just have to trust them that they will call me sooner or later.
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 01:36
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tritzo

at least you got a update i have not any since the talent pool email in july 2012.
im starting to wonder if they will ever call me .
are you as a direct entry f/o ?
applied direct f/o assigned a320 signed and returned contract in May 2012 still waiting ....
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 03:04
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Quote:
single engine --> twin engine piston --> twin engine turbine(RPT)--> jet job)
RK303:
With no additional investment for 90% of the people? really? Well... Ok
Yeah really,
and definately not as much as paying for a jet type rating with NO realistic chance of getting a job from it.
Dont know where you came from, but thats how most of aviation did it prior to the "X generation" who believe that everything is owed to them because they have a rating.

------
Guys, QR is very disorganised and have a terrible track record of it. So dont hold your breath, it just goes to show you how they will treat you!!! open your eyes.
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 07:42
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disagreeable,


I think we have understood your comments on how QR is bad for us, thank you.

The current market is really shitty, and QR, like many other eastern airlines, take advantage of this situation. That's how business is.

Let me present you my point of view for somebody who has no valid type rating (like a vast majority of the swimmers now) :

- finding a job in an airline is almost impossible. No airline are hiring untype rated guys at the moment (except QR...)

- finding a GA job is a bit the same with no type rating. I have found many offers, always for type rated guys (Hawker 800-900, Falcon 2000, Citation Excel, GV, ...etc). None of the offers I read look for untype rated guys.
And if you luckily find a GA job, it would certainly be for a shitty roster, or/and a shitty salary.

- Finding a non-aviation job ? It depends on what you are able to accept. I mean if you are 28, single, easy to find at 1000-2000 a month in order to "survive". But if you have a family (3 kids), do you really think it is that easy to get a decent job at 3000-4000 without any experience ? not really.


The current situation is really bad for pilots. In other jobs, you can generally find something if you relocate somwhere in Europe. But in aviation, the network is worldwide and inter-connected.


Aviation has always been versatile. 1991 (GW1), 2001 (9-11), and 2008.
I remember in 1991+, guys were sitting on their back waiting for a DOJ as well for years in France. They finally got called (1995-1996).


But today, I'm not sure if the economy will ever recover in the near future. It is a deep and structural crisis which reflects how extreme capitalism can damage the world.

Many reasons for that. middle eastern countries and far eastern become the leaders. Western countries start to decline. Makes sense. In those countries, social benefits are close to 0, taxes are very low and there is a huge reservoir of cheap manpower in the world.

For western countries, there is undoubtedly a pauperization of the human conditions. The future is not shinny.


So what ?

With what I said above, QR is the best (the less bad) option. And I eager to move to Doha and WORK !!!

Disagreeable, I guess you fly for QR, otherwise you won't tell so many critics about QR. Now imagine if you had no job, no salary, no money in the back and no type rating + a family. What would you do ? still criticizing ? for sure not.

There are 2 types of guys :

- those with type rating and experience
- those without type rating

The 1st group can find easily a job anywhere in the eastern direction, and the second is struggling to get something. That's how the current situation is.


Thank for being more objective.
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 08:35
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Once again, I think your missing the point.

I never said dont come, I said dont come if you have other options; I also stated its a mess here and you will put up with ALOT of crap if you come as a NTR FTSO/SO if you choose to come, especially under the new contract then you may be a little more aware of the treatment.

If they offer you a solid DOJ then take it if you are informed and have nothing else on offer!

I also said training is extremely slow for FTSO/SO's and your "poor" no money thing will be basically the same while you waste lots of time for QR to train you, if they ever do.

Also, I am telling you like it is. If you dont like it then frankly i dont care. Your rose coloured glasses will see what they want to see.

But for those with an open enough mind, they will read what I say and accept that they will come here and experience much frustration and delays, no communication, rules that change and you dont get told about them and many other issues that you, in your situations dont want to believe will effect you.

Now, you can just keep posting stupid theories about how they select people from hold pools etc or you can listen tou a few here that clearly are passing on knowledge from the inside.

Keep looking for other jobs, keep applying for other jobs, keep physically turning up to G.A/RPT operators and talking with them and asking if you can start at the bottom and work your way up.

It seems to me that its all the cry here is that NTR/low time pilots or both, cant get that Hawker jet job! LOL .... try getting a piston/ turboprop job first .... anything... it does not have to be on a jet!

You say you want to work hard for QR, well prove it by working hard for another company and doing the "G.A has a shitty roster" thing (as Sqn012 said).
You think the roster at QR is cherry pie? Geez man, come on.

If you have not put the effort in like thousands of pilots before you in a "tough" era/economy then dont tell me I have the problem.

If you knock back other employment while you wait for QR, then its YOUR choice. You have been warned they dont communicate and they dont give a about you; proof being they just let you sit around and waste your life.
If you choose that option of waiting then dont tell me again that I have the problem.

Yes economy is bad, but if you dont try then thats your issue not mine.
I succeeded, like many others, doing it the same way I am telling you too so it can be done; And yes I did it all through the "bad economic crashes" as well.

Just dont cruicify me for giving you the truth. I dont lie to you and I hopefully would like to think I actually help some of you by opening your eyes and giving you a shake.

Re-read my posts, yes some of them are negative as I am still a human and still fallible to emotion, but you will find they hold true.

Dont mean to be harsh so take it with kindness

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Old 28th Nov 2012, 09:26
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ok disagreeable, I catch what you say.

Thanks anyway for your inputs. Always appreciated.
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 09:29
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Not quite true

"- finding a GA job is a bit the same with no type rating. I have found many offers, always for type rated guys (Hawker 800-900, Falcon 2000, Citation Excel, GV, ...etc). None of the offers I read look for untype rated guys.
And if you luckily find a GA job, it would certainly be for a shitty roster, or/and a shitty salary."

Not quite true. I am in GA/Private Ops.

I was an FO on B757, then A320, then A330 and finally A340 before I gained Command on A320.

I responded to an advert on FlightGlobal for a Global Express Captain and got hired.

I didn't even know the first thing about a Global Express.

Crappy roster? No. 2 weeks on/off.

Crappy pay? No. Basic could be a little higher, but generous guaranteed number of per diems per month and every weekend at home, plus annual bonus, amazing company pension and company credit card make up for any gripes about basic salary.

Could I go back to airlines? Not unless I had to, but I could if I wish.

Could I get a job in GA from the airlines without the rating! Well, I already proved I have.

Don't generalise to much, and don't damn everyone and everything just for the hell of it.
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