American Pilot Upsets Australian Airport Staff & Authorities
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I totally disagree with the general attitude wrt to Ozzies. For the most part I find them quite nice and generally have a good attitude towards life. Sadly, Sydney and Brisbane customs are not good examples of your typical Ozzie. I agree that in Perth, its not even an issue.
Some, and I reiterate SOME of the posters here are clearly those with bones to pick about Oz. Dare I say, the Lebanese for example. I will proudly state, that Oz is about the only place on the planet that is self confident enough to declare what otherwise would be not 'politically correct' in many western countries such as Canada, UK and the USA.
I don't mean to offend all the Brits, Yanks and Canucks as clearly those are great countries overall. But this attitude of accepting all cultures and letting them get away with behaviour from individuals, that would not be tolerated at all in their home countries, is absurd.
If the Ozzies wish to protect their country when it comes to carrrying in goods that are not allowed.....(and for good reason I think), then good for them. I do have a heartache when it comes to idiots in customs who seem to have no idea about the big picture, (kind of like about 15% of the Ozzie trainers at EK). Clearly Syd and Brisbane customs individuals are not indicative of the average Ozzie, well at least that is my opinion.
As far as JFK goes, honestly....... does anyone expect otherwise from these people? They have been thru 2 terms of GWB and his 'fear mongering' and due to a lack of education, FOX news, Rush Limbaugh, Rove, and a general distorted view of the world, could we expect anything less? I feel bad for them actually. Just smile (wait don't do that, they take that as a sign of guilt), but say SIR at the beginning and end of each sentence, like all US pilots do on the radio, and things seem to go smoothly.
Get off the Ozzies backs ! Its a governmental/ union issue that some stupid and power hungry individuals greet us when we enter their country. Laugh it off is my attitude. I swear its a 'jealousy' issue when it comes to aircrew (why they are jealous I have no idea) but that seems to be the case to me.
Some, and I reiterate SOME of the posters here are clearly those with bones to pick about Oz. Dare I say, the Lebanese for example. I will proudly state, that Oz is about the only place on the planet that is self confident enough to declare what otherwise would be not 'politically correct' in many western countries such as Canada, UK and the USA.
I don't mean to offend all the Brits, Yanks and Canucks as clearly those are great countries overall. But this attitude of accepting all cultures and letting them get away with behaviour from individuals, that would not be tolerated at all in their home countries, is absurd.
If the Ozzies wish to protect their country when it comes to carrrying in goods that are not allowed.....(and for good reason I think), then good for them. I do have a heartache when it comes to idiots in customs who seem to have no idea about the big picture, (kind of like about 15% of the Ozzie trainers at EK). Clearly Syd and Brisbane customs individuals are not indicative of the average Ozzie, well at least that is my opinion.
As far as JFK goes, honestly....... does anyone expect otherwise from these people? They have been thru 2 terms of GWB and his 'fear mongering' and due to a lack of education, FOX news, Rush Limbaugh, Rove, and a general distorted view of the world, could we expect anything less? I feel bad for them actually. Just smile (wait don't do that, they take that as a sign of guilt), but say SIR at the beginning and end of each sentence, like all US pilots do on the radio, and things seem to go smoothly.
Get off the Ozzies backs ! Its a governmental/ union issue that some stupid and power hungry individuals greet us when we enter their country. Laugh it off is my attitude. I swear its a 'jealousy' issue when it comes to aircrew (why they are jealous I have no idea) but that seems to be the case to me.
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One time in PER I'll never forget. I was late off the plane after chatting with the crew and browsing through the last-minute Duty Free and when I arrived in the baggage area I could sense that I was the centre of attention from the line of Customs officers standing at the back of the room watching everyone collecting their bags.
One of the Customs guys walked up to me and asked for my Immigration card and Passport. I passed them to him with my airport ID which he perused but didn't comment on. After grilling me with questions in an acid tone of voice and staring me out for a couple of minutes he handed the documents back to me and walked away.
When I got to the queue for Nothing to Declare, I was down the back end and in for a very long wait to get out to "freedom". The same Customs guy walked up to me again and asked me to step out of the queue and follow him through some adjacent doors in a very loud and authoritarian voice. Everyone in the queue had turned around and were watching me being taken away.
As soon as the doors had closed behind me and the queue of people could no longer see what was happening the Customs guy pointed at the next set of doors saying "see those doors over there", smiled and said "see you later". I thanked him and headed out the doors.
He'd just fast-tracked me through Customs.
One of the Customs guys walked up to me and asked for my Immigration card and Passport. I passed them to him with my airport ID which he perused but didn't comment on. After grilling me with questions in an acid tone of voice and staring me out for a couple of minutes he handed the documents back to me and walked away.
When I got to the queue for Nothing to Declare, I was down the back end and in for a very long wait to get out to "freedom". The same Customs guy walked up to me again and asked me to step out of the queue and follow him through some adjacent doors in a very loud and authoritarian voice. Everyone in the queue had turned around and were watching me being taken away.
As soon as the doors had closed behind me and the queue of people could no longer see what was happening the Customs guy pointed at the next set of doors saying "see those doors over there", smiled and said "see you later". I thanked him and headed out the doors.
He'd just fast-tracked me through Customs.
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Just remmember boys, the moment you step out of your ek castle, you are nothing but a crew member to customs.. Your stripes and egg splated hat means S**T to the officials in australia.. Stand in line and shut your mouth. Oh well, the american 777 guy had his mouth shut for him
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This Australian Customs issue is an issue because of lack of understanding and education. Why dont we fix it now?
Australian agriculture really is free of most pests and diseases endemic everywhere else. It is free because of a very hard assed attitude by Customs over a very long time. Yeah, what forsight.... they deserve congratulations. As a result every Ozzie citizen enjoys better food from the supermarket than just about everywhere else. This is a golden lifestyle idol that Australian Customs are only ever going to protect more and more vigorously as import pressure continues to rise.
Get over it or dont go there.
And dont think Customs are the only ones to avoid??
Most Ozzies are very well educated about the continuous threat to OZ agriculture. Whilst in uniform, I personally witnessed an Indian with a box of contraband mangoes avoiding customs. I collared him and frog marked him to the sniffer dog. Very much enjoyed watching the rubber dick too. The mangoes were sliced open to reveal alien bugs that would have devastated Australia's mango industry.
Yeah... Strike one for Black Stain. Be sure I and all the rest of OZ will be watching for you Mustafa Rex.
Australian agriculture really is free of most pests and diseases endemic everywhere else. It is free because of a very hard assed attitude by Customs over a very long time. Yeah, what forsight.... they deserve congratulations. As a result every Ozzie citizen enjoys better food from the supermarket than just about everywhere else. This is a golden lifestyle idol that Australian Customs are only ever going to protect more and more vigorously as import pressure continues to rise.
Get over it or dont go there.
And dont think Customs are the only ones to avoid??
Most Ozzies are very well educated about the continuous threat to OZ agriculture. Whilst in uniform, I personally witnessed an Indian with a box of contraband mangoes avoiding customs. I collared him and frog marked him to the sniffer dog. Very much enjoyed watching the rubber dick too. The mangoes were sliced open to reveal alien bugs that would have devastated Australia's mango industry.
Yeah... Strike one for Black Stain. Be sure I and all the rest of OZ will be watching for you Mustafa Rex.
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brown stain,
you don't get it do you? of course nobody want's to bring in dangerous insects etc., unfortunately the english did that when they brought you people in, this is about the attitude of the customs people, you would perfectly fit in I guess.
you don't get it do you? of course nobody want's to bring in dangerous insects etc., unfortunately the english did that when they brought you people in, this is about the attitude of the customs people, you would perfectly fit in I guess.
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There's a saying which i find quite fitting with regards to this debate... Australians are really awesome people and good fun. But put a uniform on them and they become complete c**ts! And i think this applies to all that have been mentioned in this thread thus far; customs, immigration, pilots, and police (all of which I have had the misfortune of dealing with!).
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Happy anytime to oblige as defender of OZ customs. There are so many assholes, OZ Customs assume every entrant is a potential asshole. Even domestic crew through some ports. Yeah even some domestic pilots have been caught interstate with published NO GO produce.
The stakes are just too high. This is a multi-billion dollar industry that could be taken down by just one asshole. Do international pilots give a damn? From a long association with your buddies, Customs obviously doesn't agree with you. Dont whine about Customs, whine to your buddies.
And what type of international entrant are we dealing with here on this forum?
I was told during an Arabian Gulf CRM course that: "We have a NO culture". Yeah, that statement was funny. "Put that cigarrete out... NO". "Turn off that phone... NO". "Put your seat belt on.... NO".
What he meant was, "in the Gulf we say no to all instruction". And he was proud of his No Culture too. Why are you surprized that all Gulf crew get a NO from Customs!!
To hell with your NO CULTURE, the rule of law rules in OZ. Am proud to rubber dick you too.
The stakes are just too high. This is a multi-billion dollar industry that could be taken down by just one asshole. Do international pilots give a damn? From a long association with your buddies, Customs obviously doesn't agree with you. Dont whine about Customs, whine to your buddies.
And what type of international entrant are we dealing with here on this forum?
I was told during an Arabian Gulf CRM course that: "We have a NO culture". Yeah, that statement was funny. "Put that cigarrete out... NO". "Turn off that phone... NO". "Put your seat belt on.... NO".
What he meant was, "in the Gulf we say no to all instruction". And he was proud of his No Culture too. Why are you surprized that all Gulf crew get a NO from Customs!!
To hell with your NO CULTURE, the rule of law rules in OZ. Am proud to rubber dick you too.
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GoreTex,
You don't seem to get it either, do you? Here's why:
11th October 2006
Observation from 4HP about 'what a xenophobic miscreant you are GoreTex' in response to yout post of 10th October 2006 where you stated that Arab Pilots shouldn't fly to the US, Europe and Australia.
5th March 2007
Your observation that 'I understand the kiwis are getting bored of shagging their sheep but the locals here are very jealous and would never let them touch their beloved camels'. Oh dear, more xenophobic crap.
23rd May 2007
Your observation that 'I don't like EK and hate Dubai'. Simple answer to your problem GoreTex is to LEAVE!
And now your latest bit of xenophobic crap 'unfortunately the english did that when they brought you people [Australians] in'. That's a really stupid statement GoreTex -- think about it.
Unfortunately GoreTex, all your xenophobic rantings do is provide a good indication of behaviours and experiences on your part that suggest you're suffering from substantial mental illness and/or psychological impairment.
You don't seem to get it either, do you? Here's why:
11th October 2006
Observation from 4HP about 'what a xenophobic miscreant you are GoreTex' in response to yout post of 10th October 2006 where you stated that Arab Pilots shouldn't fly to the US, Europe and Australia.
5th March 2007
Your observation that 'I understand the kiwis are getting bored of shagging their sheep but the locals here are very jealous and would never let them touch their beloved camels'. Oh dear, more xenophobic crap.
23rd May 2007
Your observation that 'I don't like EK and hate Dubai'. Simple answer to your problem GoreTex is to LEAVE!
And now your latest bit of xenophobic crap 'unfortunately the english did that when they brought you people [Australians] in'. That's a really stupid statement GoreTex -- think about it.
Unfortunately GoreTex, all your xenophobic rantings do is provide a good indication of behaviours and experiences on your part that suggest you're suffering from substantial mental illness and/or psychological impairment.
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Stop already
Ozzie pilot pisses off US customs by getting naked.
US pilot pisses of Ozzies in PNE.
Stop the insanity and let me off already
Now who can I piss off?
Remember it's always better to be "pissed off" than "pissed on"
US pilot pisses of Ozzies in PNE.
Stop the insanity and let me off already
Now who can I piss off?
Remember it's always better to be "pissed off" than "pissed on"
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Yeah PITA, it is better to be "pissed off" than "pissed on"........particularly in the case of the
that Black Stain's offering to administer to fools such as Mustafa Wank who desperately deserve it.
Special rubber dicking
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It has nothing to do with keeping the Australian agriculture free of pests.. The point raised here is that Pilots need to stop thinking they are G_D when they are confronted with customs. But hey, the americans always want to be heard.
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If Desert Diners' quote is accurate:
"trust me All nationalalities...fall into the embarrasing category ......
From observations, the ozzies tend to have a knack to be first in that line."
Perhaps our Antipodean friends might spread this skill to all queuing inbound crews?
"trust me All nationalalities...fall into the embarrasing category ......
From observations, the ozzies tend to have a knack to be first in that line."
Perhaps our Antipodean friends might spread this skill to all queuing inbound crews?
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Small dick syndrome.
Please, no more derogatory comments about the Littlest Canuck. Underneath that insecure, fragile, overcompensating, Napoleonic exterior is a sensitive little man.
Repeat after me:
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I deeply respect Mensaboy.
I deeply respect Mensaboy.
Please, no more derogatory comments about the Littlest Canuck. Underneath that insecure, fragile, overcompensating, Napoleonic exterior is a sensitive little man.
Repeat after me:
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I'll throw my 2 fils in fwiw. Australia does have VERY strict quarantine regulations. As previously pointed out, this is to protect multi-billion dollar industries. Also, the overall general health of the Australian public: consider that Australia actually achieved TOTAL eradication of malaria, when all its near neighbours (NZ excepted) are rife with it. Strict quarantine was one of the things that made this possible. Now consider that, although the ex police poster pointed out that ACS staff are probably Police Service wannabees (and I' m sure there are some in that category), they are, in effect, bureaucratic drones, who come from a system that punishes initiative. Also, on any given day, they are probably at least 25% undermanned so that their Dept Manager will increase his/her bonus. That is the reality of the Aust Public Service today, with managers being on contracts. Overworked/understaffed ring a bell with anyone here...Bueller...
Now an aircrew arrives from an o/s flight. There seems to always be at least one on my flights that just happens to have (you name it) restricted/inadmissable items. I always state before leaving hotel, on bus and then on acft that declare any foodstuffs, what you can bring is limited etc. I have had crew with potatoes for F^$& sake, still try and bring them in.
Combine that, tired crew and an overworked ACS Hitler wannabe and it is a recipe for disaster. They will ALWAYS win, one way or the other. As an Aussie, I find ACS in most of our ports a national embarrassment, but I try and look at the big picture. Do you trust ALL of your crew to do the right thing everytime (even after telling them). My own experience has taught me not too. Aussies are very direct, some people don't like it, but isn't it better to know where you stand? When dealing with any bureaucrat anywhere (Aus, UAE, UK), the best approach is to smile and be a little patient, no matter how much you want to choke them. Also, FWIW, the ABSOLUTE worst customs I have experienced is LAX, followed by LHR. I do agree that SYD/BNE rank up there as BAD!
Now an aircrew arrives from an o/s flight. There seems to always be at least one on my flights that just happens to have (you name it) restricted/inadmissable items. I always state before leaving hotel, on bus and then on acft that declare any foodstuffs, what you can bring is limited etc. I have had crew with potatoes for F^$& sake, still try and bring them in.
Combine that, tired crew and an overworked ACS Hitler wannabe and it is a recipe for disaster. They will ALWAYS win, one way or the other. As an Aussie, I find ACS in most of our ports a national embarrassment, but I try and look at the big picture. Do you trust ALL of your crew to do the right thing everytime (even after telling them). My own experience has taught me not too. Aussies are very direct, some people don't like it, but isn't it better to know where you stand? When dealing with any bureaucrat anywhere (Aus, UAE, UK), the best approach is to smile and be a little patient, no matter how much you want to choke them. Also, FWIW, the ABSOLUTE worst customs I have experienced is LAX, followed by LHR. I do agree that SYD/BNE rank up there as BAD!
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I deeply respect mensaboy
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THE WORLD KNOWS THAT THE LAND OF CONVICTS IS STRICT WITH ITS CONTROLS. HOWEVER WE ARE DISCUSSINGTHE ATTITUDE OF THIS AMERICAN PILOT.
YOU NEED TO FOLLOW ON.. DUHHHH
I deeply respect mensaboy
I deeply respect mensaboy
THE WORLD KNOWS THAT THE LAND OF CONVICTS IS STRICT WITH ITS CONTROLS. HOWEVER WE ARE DISCUSSINGTHE ATTITUDE OF THIS AMERICAN PILOT.
YOU NEED TO FOLLOW ON.. DUHHHH
