Qatar Airways - cadet program - SO
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From: not sure
Iatra is not accepted, minima’s are actual frozen ATPL which you guys unfortunally can't get without 750 hours. One more info Qatari CAA does not accept FAA frozen ATPL, the only ATPL from states they accept is full unrestricted ATPL.
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From: Global Nomad
In Europe one can expect;
a) Employment legislation contracts and courts that can enforce human rights issues.
b) Employers that appear more approachable (if only because they are culturally more similar), and therefore questions can be answered easily.
c) A decision that can be made knowing you have all the facts. If the facts don't appear as per your contract, at least you can revert to point a).
In the ME one can expect;
a) Your contract to be honoured because if it were to be breached, or even perceived to be, the fall out makes it very difficult for expanding airlines to retain/recruit pilots.
b) A very loosely worded contract. This of course opens many options, unfortunately not for you.
c) A great degree of difficulty to enforce or gain restitution from said contract should it be breached.
When a pilot has hours, licences, experience and no "bond" then he is a very tradeable commodity.
When you're a newbie with a 5 year bond/time lock obligation that only kicks in when the employee decides, then it's like having an open ended contract with a 5 year probation period tacked on the end.
People will que for this deal, just as many did for the SQ "cadet" program.
I wonder if just as many will be as disillusioned as the SQ expat brats were.
As I said before, no skin off my nose so 'let the buyer beware'.
By the way, just because Qatari CAA don't accept frozen ATPL's this week, doesn't mean to say they won't next week. I'm sure QR have that one covered.
a) Employment legislation contracts and courts that can enforce human rights issues.
b) Employers that appear more approachable (if only because they are culturally more similar), and therefore questions can be answered easily.
c) A decision that can be made knowing you have all the facts. If the facts don't appear as per your contract, at least you can revert to point a).
In the ME one can expect;
a) Your contract to be honoured because if it were to be breached, or even perceived to be, the fall out makes it very difficult for expanding airlines to retain/recruit pilots.
b) A very loosely worded contract. This of course opens many options, unfortunately not for you.
c) A great degree of difficulty to enforce or gain restitution from said contract should it be breached.
When a pilot has hours, licences, experience and no "bond" then he is a very tradeable commodity.
When you're a newbie with a 5 year bond/time lock obligation that only kicks in when the employee decides, then it's like having an open ended contract with a 5 year probation period tacked on the end.
People will que for this deal, just as many did for the SQ "cadet" program.
I wonder if just as many will be as disillusioned as the SQ expat brats were.
As I said before, no skin off my nose so 'let the buyer beware'.
By the way, just because Qatari CAA don't accept frozen ATPL's this week, doesn't mean to say they won't next week. I'm sure QR have that one covered.
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From: out of a suitcase
I understand that it can be extremely frustrating looking for work, especially with low time and no commercial experience. It is not easy for people with the "unmarketable" type ratings or licences from non JAR states either.
I would caution people about making decisions which have contractual repercussions five years from now based on a situation which will have changed probably three weeks from now, especially in a country where you have effectively NO legal rights, cannot buy property (at the mercy of the landlords), can be deported at the company's discretion, and with a company which has a reputation for promising much (always with a "situation might change") and delivering very little in terms of career advancement.
Lowering the bar is often seen as a solution to staffing problems, but does not solve the fundamental problems.
If you want to sell yourself into slavery, go ahead. You have been warned.
I would caution people about making decisions which have contractual repercussions five years from now based on a situation which will have changed probably three weeks from now, especially in a country where you have effectively NO legal rights, cannot buy property (at the mercy of the landlords), can be deported at the company's discretion, and with a company which has a reputation for promising much (always with a "situation might change") and delivering very little in terms of career advancement.
Lowering the bar is often seen as a solution to staffing problems, but does not solve the fundamental problems.
If you want to sell yourself into slavery, go ahead. You have been warned.
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From: Canada
Hey ODGUY,
If you check out avcanada there is a post from someone who actually called the HR department and asked about the IATRA and it was confirmed that it is not accepted as a Frozen ATPL.
Sorry bout the glum news...
If you check out avcanada there is a post from someone who actually called the HR department and asked about the IATRA and it was confirmed that it is not accepted as a Frozen ATPL.
Sorry bout the glum news...
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From: Land of the midnight sun
Canadian IATRA is not a frozen ATPL!
The only way to have a frozen Canadian ATPL is by writing the exams and not having the required flight time!!!
And you can write the Canadian ATPL now with less than 750 HRS
You now have the choice of writing the A"S or your IATRA with 250 HRS for that first type....
Cheers
The only way to have a frozen Canadian ATPL is by writing the exams and not having the required flight time!!!
And you can write the Canadian ATPL now with less than 750 HRS
You now have the choice of writing the A"S or your IATRA with 250 HRS for that first type....
Cheers
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From: Canada
Application Problems
Has anyone else experienced email problems with the Qatar server? It seems like their disk space has totally filled up with applications.
Am I the only one here with this issue?
Am I the only one here with this issue?
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From: The Netherlands
Yes I am also experiencing problems when submitting my email application... Well guess I have to send it via snail mail then....
Maybe they are receiving so many applications that the server could not handle it.
K.
Maybe they are receiving so many applications that the server could not handle it.
K.
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From: Moon
Hi there,
Has someone received any answer about the recruitment process or the status of its application form?? In what will consist the asessment??Interview, aptitude test and sim ride?
Thanks to everybody and good luck.
Waiting on the selcall
Has someone received any answer about the recruitment process or the status of its application form?? In what will consist the asessment??Interview, aptitude test and sim ride?
Thanks to everybody and good luck.
Waiting on the selcall
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From: in my house
I spoke to one of the recruiting ppl 2 days ago regarding the app. process.
only 12 applicants will be selected/hired. they do not having a closing date, its open for the time being. The ones that haven't recieved an email acknowledgement confirming your CV/legal documents, expect a week to 10 days factoring in the eid holidays. The 'main' recruiting person was not in when I called so couldn't get more info.
anyone care to advise on the selection process, interview, sim eval, written testing??
thanx
only 12 applicants will be selected/hired. they do not having a closing date, its open for the time being. The ones that haven't recieved an email acknowledgement confirming your CV/legal documents, expect a week to 10 days factoring in the eid holidays. The 'main' recruiting person was not in when I called so couldn't get more info.
anyone care to advise on the selection process, interview, sim eval, written testing??
thanx
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From: out of a suitcase
The reason for this is that any information you get on this topic will be out of date in a few weeks. The terms will change, the requirements will change, and nobody will know what is going on. This is a management style apparently perfected at QR.
If you want to apply, go ahead. The goalposts WILL move, the terms WILL change, and the world WILL be a very different place by the time your "bond" is paid off.
Just think of all the opportunities you WILL miss if you accept this deal.
You are going to convince yourself to accept this garbage anyway. I'm not going to help you do it.
If you want to apply, go ahead. The goalposts WILL move, the terms WILL change, and the world WILL be a very different place by the time your "bond" is paid off.
Just think of all the opportunities you WILL miss if you accept this deal.
You are going to convince yourself to accept this garbage anyway. I'm not going to help you do it.
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Qatar Airways employing Second O's huh. I wonder when Emirates will follow suit. Sounds like a pleasant deal, with the exception of the high price of training. 30,000 USD is very high for any aircraft type rating.
Just a question, how come every Qatar Airways FO I see has only 2 stripes?
At other companies I have seen, 2 stripe FO's, but only while they were newly trained from SO or were newly trained. Once assessed, 2.5 to 3 stripes.
Just a question, how come every Qatar Airways FO I see has only 2 stripes?
At other companies I have seen, 2 stripe FO's, but only while they were newly trained from SO or were newly trained. Once assessed, 2.5 to 3 stripes.
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From: The Netherlands
Does it really matter how much stripes a F/O has? It doesn't change anything for the job he does. Still has the same responsibilties..1 stripe, 2 stripes, or 43 stripes all the way to your shoulder. What does it matter?
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From: EU
Hello Vne98,
I sent my CV to QatarA 2 days ago, I received an answer this morning, and I am waiting for the next.
It seems they accept Canadian License, I have 250hrs TT and a type rating on A320 that I paid myself.
The qualification on type make the difference, one of my partner on the 320 course just found a job in Asia, 0 hours on type.
Everything is possible....
;-)
I sent my CV to QatarA 2 days ago, I received an answer this morning, and I am waiting for the next.
It seems they accept Canadian License, I have 250hrs TT and a type rating on A320 that I paid myself.
The qualification on type make the difference, one of my partner on the 320 course just found a job in Asia, 0 hours on type.
Everything is possible....
;-)