Qatar Airways - cadet program - SO
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That's exactly what I thought. They had 2 kind of vacancies, both for SO's and FO's (experienced). But this is a thread about the cadet pilot/ second officer scheme, so I thought superman was referring to this option. In fact, that's what he says:
Let's hope that's not the case. Time will tell.
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I have just been to see the man incharge of QR second officer scheme, and I tell you he is as sharp as a knife. He told me that even if someone has an ATPL and few hours or even 1000s of hours on turbo-prop he will not be considered ! ! ! if he has no high hours on the jet.
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Guys this is not AA or DL!!
Dear Friends,
Stop thinking for god sake.
QR is not a serious company. And is far from being.
"Money" (a lot) doesn't mean that the company is a great one.
Basically, this selection process will be taken as the chance for everyone with somebody "inside" to get on.
Outsiders, if you have great numbers of Jet and ATP, may be....
The selection as everything over ther will not be serious.
Sorry to be kind of cruel, but is a fact that you're not taking into consideration.
Cheers!!,
Stop thinking for god sake.
QR is not a serious company. And is far from being.
"Money" (a lot) doesn't mean that the company is a great one.
Basically, this selection process will be taken as the chance for everyone with somebody "inside" to get on.
Outsiders, if you have great numbers of Jet and ATP, may be....
The selection as everything over ther will not be serious.
Sorry to be kind of cruel, but is a fact that you're not taking into consideration.
Cheers!!,
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QR is not serious ...
Dear FAB,
How's that?
The only change of every week's requirements makes them not to be serious either responsible at all...
They do play with the hopes of thousends...
If you want to get some more info about QR just get into the forums, and you will see, what is going on there...
I can't tell you that everything they say there is truth, but i've been in there and i can tell you it happens...
If you want I can give you around 50 reasons about it.
And I repeat, THEY SHOULDN'T PLAY WITH WORLDWIDE HOPES if they are not SURE WHAT THEY WANT!....
Cheers,
How's that?
The only change of every week's requirements makes them not to be serious either responsible at all...
They do play with the hopes of thousends...
If you want to get some more info about QR just get into the forums, and you will see, what is going on there...
I can't tell you that everything they say there is truth, but i've been in there and i can tell you it happens...
If you want I can give you around 50 reasons about it.
And I repeat, THEY SHOULDN'T PLAY WITH WORLDWIDE HOPES if they are not SURE WHAT THEY WANT!....
Cheers,
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This is the deal, the cut off age for the SO scheme, has gone down to only 27yrs old and they have had another meeting yesterday to see what other requirments they need to really narrow the selection process. At the moment they are given priority to educated people with degrees, so if you hold an excellent flying record it is useless coz you do not have a university degree...hahahahahahaha...it is true.
anyways logic defies me sometimes, ONE WAY to the right means the other way not right,,,right?
good luck to all those people out there waiting for their break with QR. It is an excellent airline to work for <true>
Let us hope that QR is not putting people hopes high as it has been previously mentioned. I dont think so, they really want pilots " educated with a BSc or a MSc"
P.S. good flying skills not necessary"
anyways logic defies me sometimes, ONE WAY to the right means the other way not right,,,right?
good luck to all those people out there waiting for their break with QR. It is an excellent airline to work for <true>
Let us hope that QR is not putting people hopes high as it has been previously mentioned. I dont think so, they really want pilots " educated with a BSc or a MSc"
P.S. good flying skills not necessary"
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Hello,
Could you please tell us how you can obtain all these informations?
You said it is an excellent airline to work for......have you ever been working for QR? If yes why did you apply for the S/O scheme? If you know them so why they refused your application?
What is you ineterest?
The University degree......of course everybody knows that you have to be an engineer to fly an airbus...ahah, seriously, don't you think they will give priority to qualified guys if they really need pilots?
heu, what is your background?
Cheers
Could you please tell us how you can obtain all these informations?
You said it is an excellent airline to work for......have you ever been working for QR? If yes why did you apply for the S/O scheme? If you know them so why they refused your application?
What is you ineterest?
The University degree......of course everybody knows that you have to be an engineer to fly an airbus...ahah, seriously, don't you think they will give priority to qualified guys if they really need pilots?
heu, what is your background?
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How is it superman 32 that you are the only one who seems to know anything about this "program"? I must admit, I know nobody at QR, but you seem to know much, or at least say you do. The other Qatari pilots on this board seem silent on the matter regarding SO's. I must admit, I myself am curious as to what the job description will be as QR do not fly Ultra Long Hull flights as of yet.
Good luck to those who applied. It sound as though it could be a possible way to land that slippery first job. Though it is intersting that they have not responded to anyone yet.
Good luck to those who applied. It sound as though it could be a possible way to land that slippery first job. Though it is intersting that they have not responded to anyone yet.
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i also want more information if anybody has any. i have heard nothing other than the first email. has anybody heard anything, information on any possible selectees for the inerviews. is what superman says factual, or guesses. fairly odd that no person has any information on this. who knows what they are acutually looking for. best of luck to us all if this is a genuine oppurtunity.
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No news.....good news ;-)
Gina35, where are U in Canada?
Cheers
The only thing I know is that 2 friends have already received a negative response, one had Turbine time and the other Jet time.
2 other friends and I qualified on the A320 are still waiting for the response since the letter...
I hope they will tell soon....
The only thing I know is that 2 friends have already received a negative response, one had Turbine time and the other Jet time.
2 other friends and I qualified on the A320 are still waiting for the response since the letter...
I hope they will tell soon....
Gina35, where are U in Canada?
Cheers
The only thing I know is that 2 friends have already received a negative response, one had Turbine time and the other Jet time.
2 other friends and I qualified on the A320 are still waiting for the response since the letter...
I hope they will tell soon....
The only thing I know is that 2 friends have already received a negative response, one had Turbine time and the other Jet time.
2 other friends and I qualified on the A320 are still waiting for the response since the letter...
I hope they will tell soon....
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One is 32 and the other 26.
I really wonder when they will give us the response, I obtained the A320 rating (in Vancouver) 3 months ago and I am still looking for a job. As I am 23, I applied for this S/O scheme 1 month ago and also for the qualified pilot ad, no news since that standart letter.
I know that a lot of pilots applied for this position and it should take a long time for QR to choose the candidates.
Do you know how many pilots they need?
Fab
I really wonder when they will give us the response, I obtained the A320 rating (in Vancouver) 3 months ago and I am still looking for a job. As I am 23, I applied for this S/O scheme 1 month ago and also for the qualified pilot ad, no news since that standart letter.
I know that a lot of pilots applied for this position and it should take a long time for QR to choose the candidates.
Do you know how many pilots they need?
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QR needs +200 pilots next year only to cater for the expansion planned.
Initially this ab initio pilot project started with 6-10 spots available. The amount of applications however was huge! I believe over 15 times more applications came in!
That is why they are looking now for a way to do the selection process. When these initial guys/girls will be flying and all went well then they will probably hire more ab initios.
SO does not mean you are a relief pilot on ultra long haul!
SO is an F/O in training. You will be flying on A300/A320. First you will fly with a fully qualified FO as cover for a certain number of sectors, untill the training dept is convinced you can handle all the failures.
Then you will fly again a certain amount of sectors ( +/_ 6 months) as an S/O with line training captains. After a line check you will be a FO.
So nothing to do with relief pilot like Cathay Pacific for example. You DO fly as SO. Only difference is the salary.
IN QR the in flight relief pilots are F/Os on the A330 with 1 year on the fleet and min 2500Hrs.
Good luck
PS: SO sheme does NOT require high jet hours!!!!! What would be the purpose for that? Min req as in advertisment, preferably with higher education ( why, only HE knows...)
Initially this ab initio pilot project started with 6-10 spots available. The amount of applications however was huge! I believe over 15 times more applications came in!
That is why they are looking now for a way to do the selection process. When these initial guys/girls will be flying and all went well then they will probably hire more ab initios.
SO does not mean you are a relief pilot on ultra long haul!
SO is an F/O in training. You will be flying on A300/A320. First you will fly with a fully qualified FO as cover for a certain number of sectors, untill the training dept is convinced you can handle all the failures.
Then you will fly again a certain amount of sectors ( +/_ 6 months) as an S/O with line training captains. After a line check you will be a FO.
So nothing to do with relief pilot like Cathay Pacific for example. You DO fly as SO. Only difference is the salary.
IN QR the in flight relief pilots are F/Os on the A330 with 1 year on the fleet and min 2500Hrs.
Good luck
PS: SO sheme does NOT require high jet hours!!!!! What would be the purpose for that? Min req as in advertisment, preferably with higher education ( why, only HE knows...)
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Studi....
I hate to disapoint you but I think you are dreaming a bit here....
Managment positions are given to qatari or to very few expats with large experience....
The reason why as an SO they ask some sort of an education is that they want some sort of a level ...
I hate to disapoint you but I think you are dreaming a bit here....
Managment positions are given to qatari or to very few expats with large experience....
The reason why as an SO they ask some sort of an education is that they want some sort of a level ...
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Oh I think I know what I am talking about...... the SO scheme is good but only for those who hold a degree in nuclear physics.
There has been a change in the requirements. It is now an age limit of 27 yrs old.
There has been a change in the requirements. It is now an age limit of 27 yrs old.
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As with many airlines...particularly those who hire non-jet experienced pilots...the degree demonstrates your ability to LEARN....
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in my opinion having a degree is not as necessary as your skills and ability to be able to handle a multi-function job such as a pilot. Do you know that driving a car requires more skill than flying an aircraft? yet uneducated people drive cars. At the end of the day it is only a trasnportaion mode just like a train driver, or a car driver.
With the advances in technology flying has become on of the easiest jobs one can do. The automation has been designed to put the pilot out of the cockpit.
Sure having a degree represents one's learning curve, but everything in life from the simplist action to the more advanced all require a super learning curve. Not all human beings make good pilots in term of professionalism and not all human beings make good car drivers due to thier eye-hand co-cordination.
It is all about ABILITY and the expeditious manner about which one can act in the event of an ensuing accident, armed with laid down SOPs and some common sense.
I know a lot of people I met with high degrees in both the arts and science, yet their natural ability of flying an aircraft is zero.
Having a degree is only to make life difficult for others, who have decided to persue the love of their life i.e. FLYING when they have finished their High school.
P.S. I know of someone who is now a captain on the B747-400 with BA, and his previous job was a MILK MAN. They have tagged him the " Flying Milk man"
With the advances in technology flying has become on of the easiest jobs one can do. The automation has been designed to put the pilot out of the cockpit.
Sure having a degree represents one's learning curve, but everything in life from the simplist action to the more advanced all require a super learning curve. Not all human beings make good pilots in term of professionalism and not all human beings make good car drivers due to thier eye-hand co-cordination.
It is all about ABILITY and the expeditious manner about which one can act in the event of an ensuing accident, armed with laid down SOPs and some common sense.
I know a lot of people I met with high degrees in both the arts and science, yet their natural ability of flying an aircraft is zero.
Having a degree is only to make life difficult for others, who have decided to persue the love of their life i.e. FLYING when they have finished their High school.
P.S. I know of someone who is now a captain on the B747-400 with BA, and his previous job was a MILK MAN. They have tagged him the " Flying Milk man"
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Superman 32,
With regrads to your previous posts i have found your comments for the QR S/O scheme to be irrelevant.
You have mentioned that QR have required a high amount of jet hours in order to be concidered for the SO scheme, which is incorrect.
You also mentioned that QR would accept candidates with poor flying ability as long as they have a degree, I can ensure you that QR will choose their candidates from selected flying schools.
i.e (BAE SYSTEMS/JEREZ, Oxford and others.)
By the way flying a fast jet airplane is not like driving a car, and the reason for the automation to reduce pilot fatigue and to reduce human error, not to put the pilot out of the cockpit as you mentioned.
Good luck to all those waiting for a reply
ps most of the successfull candidates will fly the A319/A320/A321 and few will fly A300-622R.
With regrads to your previous posts i have found your comments for the QR S/O scheme to be irrelevant.
You have mentioned that QR have required a high amount of jet hours in order to be concidered for the SO scheme, which is incorrect.
You also mentioned that QR would accept candidates with poor flying ability as long as they have a degree, I can ensure you that QR will choose their candidates from selected flying schools.
i.e (BAE SYSTEMS/JEREZ, Oxford and others.)
By the way flying a fast jet airplane is not like driving a car, and the reason for the automation to reduce pilot fatigue and to reduce human error, not to put the pilot out of the cockpit as you mentioned.
Good luck to all those waiting for a reply
ps most of the successfull candidates will fly the A319/A320/A321 and few will fly A300-622R.