The offer is out to ANZ guys - thoughts?
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The offer is out to ANZ guys - thoughts?
On a layover a few days back, got talking to an ANZ 777 Capt and they definately have the 3 year LOA offer on the table to move to Dubai.
How does everyone feel about this? Would the 20 or so guys coming be worth the 50 that'll leave because of it? And is there any talk that they'll be on bases down under?
As usual, shrug my shoulders, whatever. Not my airline, let 'em deal with the fallout.
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How does everyone feel about this? Would the 20 or so guys coming be worth the 50 that'll leave because of it? And is there any talk that they'll be on bases down under?
As usual, shrug my shoulders, whatever. Not my airline, let 'em deal with the fallout.
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Yes it is WRONG.
It will slow commands here and if the shoe was on the other foot, ie, ANZ booming and EK with extra pilots, the unions in NZ would NEVER agree to DEC captains coming in. It is HYPOCRISY at its worst. It is all well and good to say its not me its the company but at the end of the day it is the pilot who will make the decision to screw someone else over.
It will slow commands here and if the shoe was on the other foot, ie, ANZ booming and EK with extra pilots, the unions in NZ would NEVER agree to DEC captains coming in. It is HYPOCRISY at its worst. It is all well and good to say its not me its the company but at the end of the day it is the pilot who will make the decision to screw someone else over.
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News travels fast. Just got a mail from a buddy back home telling me not to organise the party, as he and another guy will not come down for the assessment. Upgrading way too uncertain now.
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Er from what I understood from the briefing, the positions were for F/Os with only in exceptional circumstances would there be DE commands.
And that would be for a set term contract not perm.
Same conditions (F/Os) as the EK chaps and if they want to stay, so be it.
Air NZ would prefer to get rid of the 767 drivers. It's that fleet that is over staffed.
And that would be for a set term contract not perm.
Same conditions (F/Os) as the EK chaps and if they want to stay, so be it.
Air NZ would prefer to get rid of the 767 drivers. It's that fleet that is over staffed.
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What exceptional circumstances would be acceptable for an Air NZ captain to join our merry band? Unless he permanently resigns from his union protected position at home then I don't believe there are any.
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EK assesment or not??
So all these boys and maybe girls thinking of coming to play in the sand for three years on a contract!! Will they be subjected to the EK assesment like everybody else ORRRRR just sign up and head over like a contract pilot and then those boys ORRRR girls after 3 years decide to stay do they then have to do the EK assesment.
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ANZ LWOP Offer
I've seen the paperwork sent out to Air NZ pilots, offering leave-without-pay and the opportunity to work in the ME, but it is for Etihad, seen or heard nothing from friends regarding a package from EK.
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You may know more than me, but I got it directly from an ANZ Capt that they are essentially being offered a 3 year contract to come to EK. DECs and FOs alike. The cheeses are getting desperate I guess and fishing in any pond they can find......
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ANZ LWOP Offer
The paperwork I have seen is a package developed between EY and NZ and offered to 767 and 320 pilots who, if judged suitable by EY, will be offered 330 ratings or work on the EY767 for between 1 & 3 years. The package comes attached with lengthy briefing document from Capt GN, who recently left EK to join EY flt ops mgmt.
There are positions offered for 12 320 F/O for 3 years, they will join the seniority list and keep the seniority if at the end of the 3 years they resign from ANZ and join EY. No upgrades unless you resign NZ and join EY.
There are 7 F/O and 7 Capt 767 positions on offer for a period of 1 year, (extendable by agreement between EY & NZ), with the same seniority/upgrade provisions and 330 ratings if they resign from Air NZ.
The HR Manager at EY has the same name as a guy who used to be in HR at ANZ a few years back which may be relevant!
This is a package available as part of the measures to 'rebalance' pilot number on fleets as the B767 is withdrawn downunder. A pilot in the appropriate fleet/ranks can apply for the 3 years LWOP for any reason so there is nothing to stop a pilot coming to EK, that is EXCEPT the EK requirement that a pilot must have proof of resignation from their previous employer. I've no idea whether that is a requirement written in stone or in water.
Most things in aviation seem written in the latter...
There are positions offered for 12 320 F/O for 3 years, they will join the seniority list and keep the seniority if at the end of the 3 years they resign from ANZ and join EY. No upgrades unless you resign NZ and join EY.
There are 7 F/O and 7 Capt 767 positions on offer for a period of 1 year, (extendable by agreement between EY & NZ), with the same seniority/upgrade provisions and 330 ratings if they resign from Air NZ.
The HR Manager at EY has the same name as a guy who used to be in HR at ANZ a few years back which may be relevant!
This is a package available as part of the measures to 'rebalance' pilot number on fleets as the B767 is withdrawn downunder. A pilot in the appropriate fleet/ranks can apply for the 3 years LWOP for any reason so there is nothing to stop a pilot coming to EK, that is EXCEPT the EK requirement that a pilot must have proof of resignation from their previous employer. I've no idea whether that is a requirement written in stone or in water.
Most things in aviation seem written in the latter...
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Same recruitment process as any other person applying to EK. Im just saying what the 2 Ricks said at the briefing. They prefer to promote from within. Ay DEC would have to go through a tougher selection as well.
Was your 777 capt actually at the briefing?
Was your 777 capt actually at the briefing?
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I was at the briefing by the 2 Ricks for Air NZ pilots to go to EK (FO). In essence the ONLY difference we were offered was the fact that we don't have to resign from ANZ. We have to stay 3.5 years to work off the bond. NO upgrade unless resign from NZ. EK's hope being that at the end of 3.5 years some may choose to stay and then take up command if in seniority,Etc, Etc.
Sounded to me like they were aware of the grief DEC's were going to cause and did not push it.
Hope that helps the Ready, Fire, Aim brigade!!
Sounded to me like they were aware of the grief DEC's were going to cause and did not push it.
Hope that helps the Ready, Fire, Aim brigade!!
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No DECs now or ever again. Not from NZ or anywhere. How much more direct do we have to be?
The geniuses at EK should realize that they bring in 30 ANZ they lose 50 EK pilots. Does that work for the airline?
Also it now can be confirmed as of late Feb EK had a net gain of 7 pilots. That is right they only gained 7 pilots with recruitment going full on. How many more resignations are going to push them over the edge?
The geniuses at EK should realize that they bring in 30 ANZ they lose 50 EK pilots. Does that work for the airline?
Also it now can be confirmed as of late Feb EK had a net gain of 7 pilots. That is right they only gained 7 pilots with recruitment going full on. How many more resignations are going to push them over the edge?
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There are some very sad people out there.
What issue should an Emirates pilot have with an NZ pilot joining EK under the LWOP deal?
If your only bitch is that they don't have to bring a resignation letter, then get a life.
If you don't want to see DEC's, then grumble at AAR (if you have the balls) but guess what? DEC's will come regardless and taking it out on an individual contract pilot (and that is what we all are) is nothing short of pathetic.
I'm also assuming of course that the anti-DEC knockers would never take a DEC position in another airline themselves. I'm also assuming that if they are an FO in EK, then they are one of the very few remaining that joined prior to DEC recruitment becoming active again. That's right "again" because EK has always hired DEC's. Do they need to? Now that's a different story, but whinging against the individual will achieve squat.
However, I doubt very much that we will even see a DEC joining EK (ex NZ)on this deal especially if he takes tax into account. So I guess we're only talking FO's and I go back to my original question.
What issue should an Emirates pilot have with an NZ pilot joining EK under the LWOP deal?
If your only bitch is that they don't have to bring a resignation letter, then get a life.
If you don't want to see DEC's, then grumble at AAR (if you have the balls) but guess what? DEC's will come regardless and taking it out on an individual contract pilot (and that is what we all are) is nothing short of pathetic.
I'm also assuming of course that the anti-DEC knockers would never take a DEC position in another airline themselves. I'm also assuming that if they are an FO in EK, then they are one of the very few remaining that joined prior to DEC recruitment becoming active again. That's right "again" because EK has always hired DEC's. Do they need to? Now that's a different story, but whinging against the individual will achieve squat.
However, I doubt very much that we will even see a DEC joining EK (ex NZ)on this deal especially if he takes tax into account. So I guess we're only talking FO's and I go back to my original question.