QR Payrise or just rice...
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as said before....smoke and mirrors!
Dont fool yourselves....
The increase is something and the seniority system is a first step into the right direction but....
By far we are still lagging behind all the competitors here in the gulf!
The mentality is still that of a cheap third world airline, I am sorry to say so...
Once more, an opportunity was missed....QR will always stay the little brother of EK and EY...
Dont fool yourselves....
The increase is something and the seniority system is a first step into the right direction but....
By far we are still lagging behind all the competitors here in the gulf!
The mentality is still that of a cheap third world airline, I am sorry to say so...
Once more, an opportunity was missed....QR will always stay the little brother of EK and EY...
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MESSAGE FOR THE CRYING BABIES
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STOP COMPLAINING
....................TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.............
ITS A VERY SIMPLE RULE ITS HIS WAY OR THE HIGHWAY SO YOU ALL DECIDE . YOU ALL ARE BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES, WANT TO WORK IN QATAR AND AT THE SAME TIME KEEP COMPLAING.
I can bet all those who are complaing dont even have Balls to even leave this airline.
I notice the major issue is not the raise its the furniture allowance 50000, which is bothering all of you.
I am enjoying that people like you are not happy and crying like babies.
.........................STOP COMPLAINING
....................TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.............ITS A VERY SIMPLE RULE ITS HIS WAY OR THE HIGHWAY SO YOU ALL DECIDE . YOU ALL ARE BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES, WANT TO WORK IN QATAR AND AT THE SAME TIME KEEP COMPLAING.
I can bet all those who are complaing dont even have Balls to even leave this airline.
I notice the major issue is not the raise its the furniture allowance 50000, which is bothering all of you.
I am enjoying that people like you are not happy and crying like babies.
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thank you all for the interest in my post.
in order of apearance
A330 300:
I did not mention the transport allowance because it is, as you said "temporary".
PLEASE if YOU find a villa or apartment decent by western standards fit for a family for 12000/10000 IN doha, tell me. Trust me i have been looking very hard and its impossible, unless you want to share it with someone of course, which honestly is not a very good option for a family with kids. I really hate the idea of having to pay 4000 USD for RENT !!! do you know what you can BUY with that ANYWHERE else in the world ???
About buying real state in qatar, brother, please tell me WHO are these "gurus" that are telling you that investing in the pearl is a good idea, First of all just take a look at the stability in the region... Iran right next door? the US with a A/C carrier in the gulf? the british sailors incident? c'mon, any other conflict here and all your money is gone. Second, it IS an artificially inflated bubble (like qatari515 notes) about to burst, if you invest, you wont get your money's worth you dont really need a degree in economics to figure this one out, but maybe your financial advisor DOES! Third, this is a lawless land!! everything is by decree, do you really think for a second that you as an expat have any real rights here??? just think about what would happen if you were involved in an accident, with a local and they get really hurt WHO do you think they are going to blame?? (god forbid one of your family members?) what will happen to your "investment" if you go to jail? or lose your residency? if a local really wants to screw you over they will, no matter what you do or dont. thats why it is a COUNTRY IN DEVELOPMENT in every aspect, everybody is NEW MONEY and the mentality in this area doesn't help.
Fourth, the pearl is going to sink man! its the cheapest, least skilled labor force in the world who is planning it and building it, just look around at all the new structures around they are collapsing!! It will look nice, but who can garantee you wont get the worst quality?? better get a good civil engineer for inspection.
my advise if you really want to invest, look somewhere else not the pearl or qatar for that matter.
Job stability? ok, i know that it is the middle east and its non-existent, as a matter of fact unless you are in a company with a strong union (that's not half bankrupt) nowhere in the world will you have such thing.
but lets be honest, WHY are people SO afraid of the ceo and other management positions?? this place is run by FEAR of losing your job.
i know management will always be critisized by employees, its a natural thing, its even healthy for any organization, but here, its ridiculus, with the amount of money that is put into the airline, do you really think qatar airways is the best it can be?? there's a lot to be desired.
In a REAL 5 STAR airline, people in the end actually ADMIRE their top management.
Look at emirates not the best salary, but the way employees are treated, says a lot for the management (so far). I know they have their bad things, but ALL the airlines in the world have it and I know it.
To be honest with you when I joined i was very positive and enthusiastic, i thought i had made the right decision, but now in retrospective i sadly see I didn't. I am not happy and will most likely leave.
only sharing what i think, not really whining or complaining.
so cheers mate and wake up,
the package is NOT good,
maybe only IF YOU CAN'T GET A JOB ANYWHERE ELSE!
I know i WILL.
CAVELINO RAMPANTE:
Mate, I am NOT asking for a fully furnished aptmnt AND the 50000 QR.
only decent accomodation ( don't really know what kind of cave you are used to ) .
If you brush up on you READING AND COMPREHENSION skills maybe you'll understand what i meant.
PIPER 606:
Answering your question: I am still with QA because, the new package was only "revealed" 2 days ago. and we have to give 90 days notice to resign.
I also thought the increase would meet or exceed the ones of other airlines in the gulf, you know since QA its supposed to be THE 5 star airline and all that crap!!! we are about 20 years behind in mentality. to say the least. That's why.
thanks for the advice, and by the way i am not complaining, I AM comparing. You have to otherwise you don't see the options (remember CRM
), only sharing my point of view.
CHEERS ladies and gentlemen.
best of luck
A330 300:
I did not mention the transport allowance because it is, as you said "temporary".
PLEASE if YOU find a villa or apartment decent by western standards fit for a family for 12000/10000 IN doha, tell me. Trust me i have been looking very hard and its impossible, unless you want to share it with someone of course, which honestly is not a very good option for a family with kids. I really hate the idea of having to pay 4000 USD for RENT !!! do you know what you can BUY with that ANYWHERE else in the world ???
About buying real state in qatar, brother, please tell me WHO are these "gurus" that are telling you that investing in the pearl is a good idea, First of all just take a look at the stability in the region... Iran right next door? the US with a A/C carrier in the gulf? the british sailors incident? c'mon, any other conflict here and all your money is gone. Second, it IS an artificially inflated bubble (like qatari515 notes) about to burst, if you invest, you wont get your money's worth you dont really need a degree in economics to figure this one out, but maybe your financial advisor DOES! Third, this is a lawless land!! everything is by decree, do you really think for a second that you as an expat have any real rights here??? just think about what would happen if you were involved in an accident, with a local and they get really hurt WHO do you think they are going to blame?? (god forbid one of your family members?) what will happen to your "investment" if you go to jail? or lose your residency? if a local really wants to screw you over they will, no matter what you do or dont. thats why it is a COUNTRY IN DEVELOPMENT in every aspect, everybody is NEW MONEY and the mentality in this area doesn't help.
Fourth, the pearl is going to sink man! its the cheapest, least skilled labor force in the world who is planning it and building it, just look around at all the new structures around they are collapsing!! It will look nice, but who can garantee you wont get the worst quality?? better get a good civil engineer for inspection.
my advise if you really want to invest, look somewhere else not the pearl or qatar for that matter.
Job stability? ok, i know that it is the middle east and its non-existent, as a matter of fact unless you are in a company with a strong union (that's not half bankrupt) nowhere in the world will you have such thing.
but lets be honest, WHY are people SO afraid of the ceo and other management positions?? this place is run by FEAR of losing your job.
i know management will always be critisized by employees, its a natural thing, its even healthy for any organization, but here, its ridiculus, with the amount of money that is put into the airline, do you really think qatar airways is the best it can be?? there's a lot to be desired.
In a REAL 5 STAR airline, people in the end actually ADMIRE their top management.
Look at emirates not the best salary, but the way employees are treated, says a lot for the management (so far). I know they have their bad things, but ALL the airlines in the world have it and I know it.
To be honest with you when I joined i was very positive and enthusiastic, i thought i had made the right decision, but now in retrospective i sadly see I didn't. I am not happy and will most likely leave.
only sharing what i think, not really whining or complaining.
so cheers mate and wake up,
the package is NOT good,
maybe only IF YOU CAN'T GET A JOB ANYWHERE ELSE!
I know i WILL.
CAVELINO RAMPANTE:
Mate, I am NOT asking for a fully furnished aptmnt AND the 50000 QR.
only decent accomodation ( don't really know what kind of cave you are used to ) .
If you brush up on you READING AND COMPREHENSION skills maybe you'll understand what i meant.
PIPER 606:
Answering your question: I am still with QA because, the new package was only "revealed" 2 days ago. and we have to give 90 days notice to resign.
I also thought the increase would meet or exceed the ones of other airlines in the gulf, you know since QA its supposed to be THE 5 star airline and all that crap!!! we are about 20 years behind in mentality. to say the least. That's why.
thanks for the advice, and by the way i am not complaining, I AM comparing. You have to otherwise you don't see the options (remember CRM
), only sharing my point of view.CHEERS ladies and gentlemen.
best of luck
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dear Goat Liner
although it is very hard for me to say it, however Its seems the CEO was right in the meeting when he said 'no matter what we give, they will be always ho want more'.
Stop naging please, and try to avoid to behave like a teenager ho is never satisfied of what his parents bring him at Chrismass
although it is very hard for me to say it, however Its seems the CEO was right in the meeting when he said 'no matter what we give, they will be always ho want more'.
Stop naging please, and try to avoid to behave like a teenager ho is never satisfied of what his parents bring him at Chrismass
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Dear togaluck,
I can just wish you best of luck for your dream job and i hope you stay happy.
I was reading your post and i thought i cannot waste my energy to give you the facts and figures. If you stick around in this region for long then you will come to know by yourself.
Cheers
I can just wish you best of luck for your dream job and i hope you stay happy.
I was reading your post and i thought i cannot waste my energy to give you the facts and figures. If you stick around in this region for long then you will come to know by yourself.
Cheers
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I truly hope the childishness of the postings of 330300 and NA indicates that they are management clerks posing as pilots?
As toga said, he's "comparing". And that is what all of us will do. Some will stay, some will leave. However, what's more important is that the pay is not good enough to attract pilots here, rather than to the competition. Particularly when you add in the AAB factor.
A new DEC joiner on the 330 will see 28,000 as a salary plus around 8,000 a month IF he flies.
Add in the failure to address sick leave, LoL, pensions, human rights and all you have here is a training ground for other airlines. Wouldn't you management wankers prefer to see pilots want to stay rather than being always on the lookout for something better?
We COULD have a good airline here.
As toga said, he's "comparing". And that is what all of us will do. Some will stay, some will leave. However, what's more important is that the pay is not good enough to attract pilots here, rather than to the competition. Particularly when you add in the AAB factor.
A new DEC joiner on the 330 will see 28,000 as a salary plus around 8,000 a month IF he flies.
Add in the failure to address sick leave, LoL, pensions, human rights and all you have here is a training ground for other airlines. Wouldn't you management wankers prefer to see pilots want to stay rather than being always on the lookout for something better?
We COULD have a good airline here.
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Wrankers
Mr Ho, please the read posts by A330-300, Cavalino Rampante and NA. You will find excellent examples. What a bunch of T*a*s. Sorry Mr Ho you will have to learn that word on your own, work here long enough and you will find out .........
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Too much negativity?
Folks, cheer up!
Be thankful for what you've got. Why bite the hand that feeds you?
No one owes you a living. You chose to work for QR out of your own free will - and you can choose to quit if you want to.
Whining and complaining shows a lack of maturity and ruins prospects for everyone else (Westerners will no longer be the first choice for jobs/promotions).
Just a thought.
Be thankful for what you've got. Why bite the hand that feeds you?
No one owes you a living. You chose to work for QR out of your own free will - and you can choose to quit if you want to.
Whining and complaining shows a lack of maturity and ruins prospects for everyone else (Westerners will no longer be the first choice for jobs/promotions).
Just a thought.
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To Mr. Joke (sorry NoJoke), and Mr. Knotaloud:
The pilot market is strongly in favour of professional pilots these days, if you don't like QR, then have the dignity of leaving this airline ASAP (but please pay your bond before you go).
If you don't leave,with the demand so strong for pilots, then sorry, you are not professional enough dood, thus stop nagging, untill a better airline is available for you.
In Europe, I can only work if I hold a local passport, same in the USA, when one day, only arabic passport holders will be allowed to work as pilots in this arabic region, is the day when nagging will stop in QR.
The pilot market is strongly in favour of professional pilots these days, if you don't like QR, then have the dignity of leaving this airline ASAP (but please pay your bond before you go).
If you don't leave,with the demand so strong for pilots, then sorry, you are not professional enough dood, thus stop nagging, untill a better airline is available for you.
In Europe, I can only work if I hold a local passport, same in the USA, when one day, only arabic passport holders will be allowed to work as pilots in this arabic region, is the day when nagging will stop in QR.
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rental law?
Fellow aviators,
happy Easter to start with. Anyone out there having a reference to the rental law, please? I kinda have an upcoming event called RENT RISE therefore would like to have a reference. The land lord want 34% rise for a fully furnished accommodation. Does anyone have any idea about the legal situation? Some people say that a fully furnished accommodation is an exception from the law but I doubt it. If anyone went through that appreciate an advise.
Cheers.
happy Easter to start with. Anyone out there having a reference to the rental law, please? I kinda have an upcoming event called RENT RISE therefore would like to have a reference. The land lord want 34% rise for a fully furnished accommodation. Does anyone have any idea about the legal situation? Some people say that a fully furnished accommodation is an exception from the law but I doubt it. If anyone went through that appreciate an advise.
Cheers.
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it's a pay rise
QATAR AIRWAYS NEW F/O PACKAGE
BASIC = 18,000 QR
HA = 10,000 QR
UTILITI = 300 QR
TA = 600 QR
+ 90 QR per hour avrage 70 = 6300 QR
+MEAL/A = dependes on destnations and how long
total = 35,200 with out meal/A
**will keep u updated soon
BASIC = 18,000 QR
HA = 10,000 QR
UTILITI = 300 QR
TA = 600 QR
+ 90 QR per hour avrage 70 = 6300 QR
+MEAL/A = dependes on destnations and how long
total = 35,200 with out meal/A
**will keep u updated soon
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Rent increase
Popay,
Joyce in housing has a pilot that has information on the law and has extended help to many pilots with landlord,rent,accomadation problem.
Call her.
Joyce in housing has a pilot that has information on the law and has extended help to many pilots with landlord,rent,accomadation problem.
Call her.
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Stop Frighting, Ansrer I Hav
Crearly the problem you have I see.
What need is, different pay scrale, different pirot.
In China is airrine with A an B money, what need you is W X and Y money:
Y money for all good pirot that say YES to all good order. This best money.
X money for rordinary X PAT
W money for all wrankers. Wranker not leaving so just give tent, camel, fish rod and bag of rice.
Is good idea
What need is, different pay scrale, different pirot.
In China is airrine with A an B money, what need you is W X and Y money:
Y money for all good pirot that say YES to all good order. This best money.
X money for rordinary X PAT
W money for all wrankers. Wranker not leaving so just give tent, camel, fish rod and bag of rice.
Is good idea
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Hi Popay,
what you are saying does not seem right to me. The law clearly stipulates the 10% and nothing else.
Joyce should be able to help you. Otherwise the company lawyer is always there to give you advise on these things as wll. You will have to go to the 9the floor for that however as his office is there.
Another option: give him back his crappy furniture, re-negotiate and buy your own with whatever is left over in your case of that 50000QR housing lump sum.
Thats what I did ( without the lump sum....wasnt there when I did it)
what you are saying does not seem right to me. The law clearly stipulates the 10% and nothing else.
Joyce should be able to help you. Otherwise the company lawyer is always there to give you advise on these things as wll. You will have to go to the 9the floor for that however as his office is there.
Another option: give him back his crappy furniture, re-negotiate and buy your own with whatever is left over in your case of that 50000QR housing lump sum.
Thats what I did ( without the lump sum....wasnt there when I did it)
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Qatari515, hi there. Well I totally agree with you about 10%. Neither does it make any sense to me. However I've heard now from several people about a loop hole in the law regarding the fully furnished case. I most certainly will seek for a legal advice and make use of the legal insurance. To convert it into the unfurnished one is an option too. Strange though I couldn't find any reference online regarding the law. I don't believe in speculations ergo I need a reference.
Cheers.
Cheers.
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The only problem Qatari 515 is that this 10% increase for the rent is ONLY applicable ..for UNFURNISHED accomodation...
This law doesn´t apply to furnished accomodation.
This law doesn´t apply to furnished accomodation.