QR Payrise or just rice...
 

What to do. What to do:rolleyes:

Stop it you guys! Haven't you heard? You are knot aloud to say anything bad about QR or they'll 'spit the dummy' and sue prune.

PATHETIC!:*

After Emirates, it is confirmed(from a reliable source in Etihad) that there, as well salary increase is coming(figure not yet published), just wondering what will be the reaction of Q.A. Are they going to remain blind to the problem they are facing(let the good and experienced guys leaving the company) .

Just would like to advice or fellow management that Etihad has plenty of Qatar airways pilots application...!(from a very reliable source as well inside Etihad..):hmm:

You want to hear something funny?

Our management knows all this, they are fully aware of everybody wanting to go there ( even the names involved) and they know the othe packages inside out!

Even the CEO knows it, I overheard him raving about it last week!

But hey, probably they are all too busy covering up for each other....Some very dirty games will be disclosed soon....

Ans a susual...QR just continues to puff along...

I got a feeling its gonna be a long summer guys...new airplanes coming every month, rosters getting worse and from what I hear less guys showing up for courses. Who can blame them? Take a look at http://www.willflyforfood.cc/Qatar_A..._interview.php to see how our wonderful recruitment team interview new joiners. Plus the rents here have officially gone beyond a joke. Paying 3000 USD for a shoddy excuse for a villa and my landlord said its gonna increase by ten percent in the next few months. Great!
CVs are in the mail.

Don't believe anything until it actually happens! Also be prepared it could disappear as sudden as it comes!

As for backstabbing, no news, or should I say old news?

Chowdhury

Take a look as well at www.etihad.com

just ckeck the new package from them...basic salary for F/O has been increased by more than 7000 riyals(24500) +500 riyals annual increase!...interesting.(plus the house or appartment!!!).Flight allowances are less,but still much more attractive...Not good...for Q.A...:ouch:

Mama mia, this is good indeed!! just to place a correct link
I'm telling ya those guys EK EY QR are gonna ruin each other financially and we will enjoy the benefit. I have no doubt QR will come up with something similar. Doesn't look like they can agree upon keeping the wages down. Good for us.
There isn't even a antitrust bureau in the ME. What for??? They are too proud to agree:D :D :D :D :D
http://careers.etihadairways.com/ehi...obDetails.aspx

ETIHAD NEW AND ENHANCED (different way to skin a cat) PACKAGE is re-formulated so it looks better on paper to attract new pilots. The only new addition is the meal allowance, otherwise it is i pretty much the same as before. Annual increments is fixed at 700 AED Capt. /500 AED F/O, this equates to merely 2% or 1 1/2 % with flight pay included.
This is hardly enough to attract new pilots or retain old pilots, I am afraid we will loose even more pilots now that it is all clear that there is no goodwill and one-way street only in this company. :D :D :D :ugh:

ETIHAD, no offense man but you've been given a bag of gold and you're complaining about carrying it. Now lets compare it how much is the pay for an F/O at EY flying 85 BH or 130 FDP it's somewhere around 29740 an average, if I'm correct. That amount excludes housing right?
QR F?o flying the same will have around 32200 that including 6500 housing. In other words he/her is effectively making 25700 a month or 4000 QR more. Besides you wage is better structured higher basic. Try not to fly and you will see. Anyway guys good for you.

Popay, I am not sure I agree with your goldteory. Now down to pay: F/O flying 85 hour will take home 27900 AED. No extra for FDP. Before this new package he would have flown around 20-22 duty days to achieve the same 85 hour and the pay would have been between 25900-26800 AED that is about 4 % increase. My point is not the pay, it is how the company went on and on about the NEW AND ENHANCED PACKAGE and in the end it is just another way of paying the same. One good thing as you mentioned, is that the fixed pay is somewhat higher and that allow me to take a month leave without having to overlap months so I can maintain my commitments to the banks.

Now where did i put my Jet/Vietnam/Kingfisher/China Eastern and Korean application again.:D

EY hockay my flenda lets do the math again:
EY package
basic 24500
flying 85 BH 3400
meal all. average 1000
housing 9583
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lump sum of 38483

QR package
basic 15500
flying 85 BH 7650
meal all. av. 1000
housing 8100 (including utilities transportation furnishing etc)
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lump sum of 32250


La difference 6233 doing the same job. Questions?????

No problems with me I can swap today...

Also conveniently forgotten.

Someone has just highlighted the fact that if you were to remain a First Officer for 10 years at Etihad, highly unlikely with the present upgrading, then your end of service benefit has just increased by approximately AED 88,650 not exactly a small amount.

wow
in ek
basic 22135
telephone 22
utilities 9430
ttl 31587
and that for an FO 4 years in the company :rolleyes:

THRCLB, hi man. We gotta compare apples with apples and not bananas.
Your calculation doesn't contain housing whereas QR and EY does.
EasyGo-Lucky? well that's of course a big issue? However I find it hard to believe cause I know for sure that guys who left for EY got their upgrade after about a year. However that all might have changed.
To wrap it up:
It's either the money or the career. The airlines will have to make their choice either to keep rising the wages or to offer the career like many of the European low cost do. I'm afraid there's nothing in between.
Despite all that logic I'll just keep on pressing the buttons in my bus and be a happy bus driver.

Popay

If you are upgraded whilst at Etihad then your end of service benefit has just increased beyond the additional AED88,650 mentioned. It was just worked out based on an F/O with 10 years service for ease of calculating.

popay hi man
utilities 9430( is the housing allowance)in ek they do it differently:cool:
and that exclude the 6% pay rise....

After 10 years as F/o in Etihad your basic will be almost 30.000 riyals(500 annual increase)...
in Qatar airways......16300!!!!!(15500+800)....:ugh: :ugh: \
Good job Etihad!
Happy i have booked my assessment there..

..yes i think it´s in the interest of Q.A. to react immediatly...not in 6 months...it will be too late...

loc22550 my dear don't be so sure you will get an assessment day cause I tell you a big secret. The chief commander went personally to AAH and tried to arrange the QR pilots not to be taken. He apparently succeeded but that is not going to prevent people from leaving.
Silly boys.