QR Payrise or just rice...
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when is somebody going to stop these people....
Modern day slavery....IT DOES EXIST!
But as you said...this is not going to stop people from leaving...
Its a free world outthere....
Modern day slavery....IT DOES EXIST!
But as you said...this is not going to stop people from leaving...
Its a free world outthere....
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Euhhh...maybe its time you get your facts straight...
Easyjet: Capt 10000 euro/month
FO 6500 Euro/month
Ryanair: Capt 11000 euro/month
FO 6500 euro/month
Thats just to name some LoCo operators
Main carrier salaries are the same as in the Gulf when you calculate all the perks like retirement, profit sharing etc...
There are many contracts around as well
When you can get a place with the big boys in Asia you will earn more on the long run but than again, flying there is not everyones cup of tea either.
But europe is changing. And if you have good experience on the types they are looking for you can have the same money with a much better lifestyle. Dont let the cash in hand trap of the Sandpit carriers fool you...
Easyjet: Capt 10000 euro/month
FO 6500 Euro/month
Ryanair: Capt 11000 euro/month
FO 6500 euro/month
Thats just to name some LoCo operators
Main carrier salaries are the same as in the Gulf when you calculate all the perks like retirement, profit sharing etc...
There are many contracts around as well
When you can get a place with the big boys in Asia you will earn more on the long run but than again, flying there is not everyones cup of tea either.
But europe is changing. And if you have good experience on the types they are looking for you can have the same money with a much better lifestyle. Dont let the cash in hand trap of the Sandpit carriers fool you...
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Hi there.....
If I am corect a captain at EZ goes home ( after tax) with about 10000 euros....That is off course when he is working.
Safety.....I would not be too sure about that. Just pay a visit to our gatekeepers and listen to the stories they have to tell! The standard at QR is appaling at the moment due to the fast expansion!
Pilot levels dropping, training dept flooded with work, no experienced instructors around, no standardisation and QC, maintenance not done properly due to low downtime of planes, no management structure etc....
Most of the gulf airlines ( QR and EY being the first ones) are accidents waiting to happen!
When you are at the flight safety office, ask about the loadsheet incident we just survived!
Jobsecurity: I agree with you....if you do as asked ( including flying around illegally, against regulations etc) you will not loose your job! QR will not go bankrupt!
A hull loss will close it down though!
If I am corect a captain at EZ goes home ( after tax) with about 10000 euros....That is off course when he is working.
Safety.....I would not be too sure about that. Just pay a visit to our gatekeepers and listen to the stories they have to tell! The standard at QR is appaling at the moment due to the fast expansion!
Pilot levels dropping, training dept flooded with work, no experienced instructors around, no standardisation and QC, maintenance not done properly due to low downtime of planes, no management structure etc....
Most of the gulf airlines ( QR and EY being the first ones) are accidents waiting to happen!
When you are at the flight safety office, ask about the loadsheet incident we just survived!
Jobsecurity: I agree with you....if you do as asked ( including flying around illegally, against regulations etc) you will not loose your job! QR will not go bankrupt!
A hull loss will close it down though!
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Qatari515 hi there.
Cancel all after good morning! It's still valid 10K. It was in the plans but hasn't been changed yet but could be the case anytime. Sorry for not correct information.
I recon THE job for the time being is CX.
Cancel all after good morning! It's still valid 10K. It was in the plans but hasn't been changed yet but could be the case anytime. Sorry for not correct information.
I recon THE job for the time being is CX.
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Cpt off the hook...right somebody from Q.A. went to Etihad..in order to ask the name of Q.A.pilots who applied to Etihad(i think more than 30...)
Why?? still i donīt known! Since when a Q.A. pilot is not allowed to apply elsewhere....?????
Off course Etihad refused to give those names...
Why?? still i donīt known! Since when a Q.A. pilot is not allowed to apply elsewhere....?????Off course Etihad refused to give those names...
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Brasilians Are Invading Qr
loc22550,You better make your move sooner rather than later,cos there is no payrise,It's just Rice.
There suppose to be a meeting with the CEO this month,So far there is no sign of that happining.
There suppose to be a meeting with the CEO this month,So far there is no sign of that happining.
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Not a good news if there is no salary increase...oh iīm not talking about money(although a big issue here), BUT S A F E T Y...yes a lot a good and experience pilots will continue to leave..
as a consequence Q.A. will have to quickly hire new (cheap) pilots, put them quickly in the sim..in order to make sure no aircraft in grounded...and them you end up with CPT who doesnīt have any clue of whatīs going around....
This remind me one of last Sim check, where the CPT was barely able to handle the aircraft with (just) one egine failure,and almost put a wheel in the grass during the landing,being well outside the safety enveloppe during final approach....Result: Passed..of Course..Not comment from the TRE,NO debriefing,NO remarks!!!!
VERY VERY WORRIED!!
(oh i forgot..this captain was flying for more than 30 years, with big experience on Airbus)
MIster AAB, HOPE you will stop to ignore the problem pilots are facing quickly, before your 5 stars airline end up in the first page of all newspaper!!
Being optimist is good but some time itīs better to be realistic!
as a consequence Q.A. will have to quickly hire new (cheap) pilots, put them quickly in the sim..in order to make sure no aircraft in grounded...and them you end up with CPT who doesnīt have any clue of whatīs going around....This remind me one of last Sim check, where the CPT was barely able to handle the aircraft with (just) one egine failure,and almost put a wheel in the grass during the landing,being well outside the safety enveloppe during final approach....Result: Passed..of Course..Not comment from the TRE,NO debriefing,NO remarks!!!!
VERY VERY WORRIED!!
(oh i forgot..this captain was flying for more than 30 years, with big experience on Airbus)
MIster AAB, HOPE you will stop to ignore the problem pilots are facing quickly, before your 5 stars airline end up in the first page of all newspaper!!
Being optimist is good but some time itīs better to be realistic!
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Pay rise..?
...What happened to the rice...?Looks like people in QR has stop talking about the pay rise...
Sick & tired with too many rumours probably..
Hahaha..exactly what AAB wants...
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Think it's not really 'BAD' pilots, they're just probably having a 'BAD' day.
I mean come on, don't tell me none of us ever had that particular day when everything you do doesn't work at all. It so happened (maybe) during the sim cx.
Had once before (in my previous company) did a trng for this one F/O.. 1st day everything was excellent, 2nd day... I felt like failing him straight away. If I didn't take him on the 1st day, I would probably think he's really BAD...but after further consultation found out he got some unsettled problem back home.
Don't think I can judge pilots with only one or two flight with 'em. Bad or good.. it's actually a subjective matter. Hey..even a seasoned ace pilots can't make a super duper greased landing all the time...
Cheers..
I mean come on, don't tell me none of us ever had that particular day when everything you do doesn't work at all. It so happened (maybe) during the sim cx.
Had once before (in my previous company) did a trng for this one F/O.. 1st day everything was excellent, 2nd day... I felt like failing him straight away. If I didn't take him on the 1st day, I would probably think he's really BAD...but after further consultation found out he got some unsettled problem back home.
Don't think I can judge pilots with only one or two flight with 'em. Bad or good.. it's actually a subjective matter. Hey..even a seasoned ace pilots can't make a super duper greased landing all the time...
Cheers..
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Just Wondering why they told people who came for interview that they gone have a new package,even to people who resigned more than 6 months ago......just the carrot.....
By the way i think few guys just make a quick turnaround in Q.A, after being told during interview about the increase, they discovered when they joined the company that they will be no increase...they just resigned after a couple of weeks
Congratualtion to them!
I just hope soon the Sh.. will hit the face of those people who play like that with the crew,that's really the only think they deserve,nothing else!
By the way i think few guys just make a quick turnaround in Q.A, after being told during interview about the increase, they discovered when they joined the company that they will be no increase...they just resigned after a couple of weeks
Congratualtion to them!I just hope soon the Sh.. will hit the face of those people who play like that with the crew,that's really the only think they deserve,nothing else!
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I just hope they would get this bloody meeting over with!
7 month they have been playing with our feet by now!
New joiners where PROMISED a 25% increase during their interviews. I hope they will get it! One thing I know, lots of them will leave ASAP in case this promise is broken!
The same goes for the loyal workforce allready in place....The rumours could fester for such a long time that expectations are so high right now that anything less than a 25% increase will be experienced as a dissapointment!
And when you look at it, the last payrise was 2 years ago. In a country with 12% inflation a year a 25% payris barely covers this loss!
So this is NOT a payrise, in the real world they would call it a salary correction....
Knowing our management a bit, I would be very surprised if we got a 25% increase anyway! They would rather die than to give something like this to the almighty group of mercenary pilots!
Lets see when the 4th approaches....Ill believe it on the day itself! Just a shame that there is no nice bar in the sheraton....4 seasons is much better for that purpose!
No applause/no diner for me though.....Been there/done that...NEVER AGAIN!
7 month they have been playing with our feet by now!
New joiners where PROMISED a 25% increase during their interviews. I hope they will get it! One thing I know, lots of them will leave ASAP in case this promise is broken!
The same goes for the loyal workforce allready in place....The rumours could fester for such a long time that expectations are so high right now that anything less than a 25% increase will be experienced as a dissapointment!
And when you look at it, the last payrise was 2 years ago. In a country with 12% inflation a year a 25% payris barely covers this loss!
So this is NOT a payrise, in the real world they would call it a salary correction....
Knowing our management a bit, I would be very surprised if we got a 25% increase anyway! They would rather die than to give something like this to the almighty group of mercenary pilots!
Lets see when the 4th approaches....Ill believe it on the day itself! Just a shame that there is no nice bar in the sheraton....4 seasons is much better for that purpose!
No applause/no diner for me though.....Been there/done that...NEVER AGAIN!
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GoodLuck
Heya QTR515,
It seems u have a very very very long patience.
However GoodLuck it seems you like CAI so much????
Or CAI is very memorable to u?
Yr using QR Flight number...anyway I just notice that no big deal.
However extend my regards to A7-ADS and A7-ADT aircrafts ...
I miss that 02 aircrafts...aslo memorable to me.
Cheers
It seems u have a very very very long patience.
However GoodLuck it seems you like CAI so much????
Or CAI is very memorable to u?
Yr using QR Flight number...anyway I just notice that no big deal.
However extend my regards to A7-ADS and A7-ADT aircrafts ...
I miss that 02 aircrafts...aslo memorable to me.
Cheers
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The best wise advice: Donīt attend this meeting, unless you like to be insult off course....
If ABB faces an empty room,than the insult will be for him this time not for us!
If ABB faces an empty room,than the insult will be for him this time not for us!
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Have I missed it or has this meeting on the 4th been officially announced somewhere. Not that I'm planning to attend but just wanted to know wether this is part of the hundreds of rumours I've been hearing since last september.