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Nice one Pintoftella, just proved exacly what I was talking about mate. I don't need to prove anything to you mate, if you don't have any self esteem then sure as hell I'm not going to teach you. At the end of the day expect to be treated the way you act.
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Bit confused now as if you are a DEC or a wan a be local pilot, either way back to my stella and my 11 and a bit years pay you d@@k , cheers. Will pi@s you down the toilet later.....
Bit confused now as if you are a DEC or a wan a be local pilot, either way back to my stella and my 11 and a bit years pay you d@@k , cheers. Will pi@s you down the toilet later.....
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Nearjet, good question and I'll happily answere it. If you work for a global airline with the rate of growth of EK do you seriously expect that no DEC's will be required to handle the crew requirements with the number of aircraft delivered? You cannot have the cake and eat it too, would you prefer to work for any airline that is in financial trouble and letting people go? You guys are all going to get command and frankly much faster than in the "real world" and certainly much faster than in "coconut airways" which you came from so what is your problem? The vast majority of the guys you fly with who occupy the left seat had to wait for ever to get a chance for command and you guys get the opportunity to fly for a world leading airline and get command withing 3-4 years and still complain like hell. Get real
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Nearjet your question is very clear and I fully understood it. The fact that "some" and I emphasize "some" f/o's in EK are constantly comlaining and act as compete pillocks on Pprune regarding command and DEC's is totally rediculous. For an airline like EK 3-4 even 5 years for command is a joke. It seems these guys are so full of themselves that they think that EK owes them a command just because they work for them for the past 3 years. What kind of dream world are these people living in?
Sorry mate but when I started flying things were a bit different, we actually had to work to get command.
By the way when you say you have been in EK 11 years what do you imply? Are you implying you are still an f/o? I seriously doubt that I don't know anyone in EK who is still an f/o after 11 years.
Sorry correction I do know a couple but they are a different story altogether
Sorry mate but when I started flying things were a bit different, we actually had to work to get command.
By the way when you say you have been in EK 11 years what do you imply? Are you implying you are still an f/o? I seriously doubt that I don't know anyone in EK who is still an f/o after 11 years.
Sorry correction I do know a couple but they are a different story altogether
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"The idea of this forum is to give useful, and educated information to people contemplating to join EK, EY etc,........ "
Arob, I agree with you, let us share useful information about EK:
Senior 777 Capt handcuffed and marched off a/c in LHR, no help from EK. In fact TCAS wants him binned before his trial.
Belgium f/o fired after 9 days in prison. Gets completely cleared by court with credit letter for 9 days in jail. HR says he misused his sick days.
EK re-applies for 1100hrs/yr with new FACTORING FORMULA.
AAR wants to bring all 164 Varig applicants and families here on a ship. Ground school to be done during the 3 week cruise. 107 are DEC's
Arob, I agree with you, let us share useful information about EK:
Senior 777 Capt handcuffed and marched off a/c in LHR, no help from EK. In fact TCAS wants him binned before his trial.
Belgium f/o fired after 9 days in prison. Gets completely cleared by court with credit letter for 9 days in jail. HR says he misused his sick days.
EK re-applies for 1100hrs/yr with new FACTORING FORMULA.
AAR wants to bring all 164 Varig applicants and families here on a ship. Ground school to be done during the 3 week cruise. 107 are DEC's
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Thanks, you have nearly answered my question.
So a FO with 5 years experience in EK thinking he may be ready for a command is a joke ? (excluding all previous experience)
But you seem to think that somebody with 2 years command experience with "Coconut Express" and coming to EK as a DEC is not a joke ?
When you have been here longer you may find out that not all of us come from "Coconut Airways".
Over and Out !!!!!!
Thanks, you have nearly answered my question.
So a FO with 5 years experience in EK thinking he may be ready for a command is a joke ? (excluding all previous experience)
But you seem to think that somebody with 2 years command experience with "Coconut Express" and coming to EK as a DEC is not a joke ?
When you have been here longer you may find out that not all of us come from "Coconut Airways".
Over and Out !!!!!!
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Pintofstella,
On another subject, how did you get on with your;
Netjets interview
G5 Exec interview
A340-500 DEC interview with SQ
Rapid CX command interview
Dragon Cargo interview with the possibility of UK base
Don't tell us you've been rejected by all five
I'm surprised you've got time to visit pprune and drink copious pints of stella.
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AHAD ADUMP.....
When did this happen? What did they do? I work here and havnt heard about them. Are we really that good at hidding out dirty laundry, while we happely slag the command issue, like an old record?
Can you share some info?
Payscale
When did this happen? What did they do? I work here and havnt heard about them. Are we really that good at hidding out dirty laundry, while we happely slag the command issue, like an old record?
Can you share some info?
Payscale
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I am an FO here at EK and although I tend to disagree with the DEC issue, I do agree with A340J.....where does it say "you will be a captain in 3 yrs service to EK"....it says you will be in the considered pool to be a captain. SO on that point guys that complain about the 3 yr mark...blah, blah, blah. However A340J we have many FO's that have come from major cariers like BA, AA, Virgin, UAL, AC etc etc and just because they were not from some low cost carier where they got their upgrade in 1yr and flew as a captain for 3yrs and now have come here as a DEC, are they less qualified; do you think we sit in the right seat with fingers up our.
The point is that Emirates thinks you need to be a scientist to ba a Captain. There are so many qualified FO's that can go captain but they insist to hire from the outside. They hire FO's from the States and Canada with 8000-9000 hours and they treat them like local arab cadet pilots, and that goes for all the pilots. I have never seen a training dept that has such a huge influence on the pilot group. They are trying to standardize things and fly the aircraft from behind the desk they forget our backgrounds and where we came from as pilots and something called airmanship. We are so worried half the time about the FOM and FCI's and covering our a*s, that we forget to fly the plane. We claim to be professionals, yet we brief each other to death because it says to do so in the FOM such as the mountains to the east of dubai...whocares....they have been there for millions of years and they are not moving. The biggest responsibilty I have is wether I want the seat belt sign "on" or "off" at 10000ft. We talk about CRM; aren't we both there in the flight deck.....just fly. My point is look at the upgrade questions....how many static wicks are there on a 777.....I don't think the last guy I flew with actually counted them or even noticed if one were missing. An airline is made up of so many people that come together as professionals and each do there part to make sure we get our passengers safe from A to B.....but yet every dept doesn't want to be accountable and are always covering there a*s....look at the acars the next time you ask maintenance for help and the disclaimer at the bottom. No one helps each other out in this airline and the onus is put on the pilot...no wonder it is impossible to be a captain in this airline. Guys it is just an airplane....wether it is a 737, 777, 767, 747....there is only so many ways to fly an aircraft....stop making it a science and upgrade the highly qualified FO's.
But what I have noticed in the last couple of months is that this company and training department is moving in the right direction and things are getting so much better.
But as to the upgrade, it has nothing to do with the 3yrs, they are looking at the muturity and the ability to manage and be open minded to others as well be assertive etc etc....What the guys are saying A340J is give the FO's who have been here for 3yrs a chance if there is a need for Captains, don't by-pass them.
The point is that Emirates thinks you need to be a scientist to ba a Captain. There are so many qualified FO's that can go captain but they insist to hire from the outside. They hire FO's from the States and Canada with 8000-9000 hours and they treat them like local arab cadet pilots, and that goes for all the pilots. I have never seen a training dept that has such a huge influence on the pilot group. They are trying to standardize things and fly the aircraft from behind the desk they forget our backgrounds and where we came from as pilots and something called airmanship. We are so worried half the time about the FOM and FCI's and covering our a*s, that we forget to fly the plane. We claim to be professionals, yet we brief each other to death because it says to do so in the FOM such as the mountains to the east of dubai...whocares....they have been there for millions of years and they are not moving. The biggest responsibilty I have is wether I want the seat belt sign "on" or "off" at 10000ft. We talk about CRM; aren't we both there in the flight deck.....just fly. My point is look at the upgrade questions....how many static wicks are there on a 777.....I don't think the last guy I flew with actually counted them or even noticed if one were missing. An airline is made up of so many people that come together as professionals and each do there part to make sure we get our passengers safe from A to B.....but yet every dept doesn't want to be accountable and are always covering there a*s....look at the acars the next time you ask maintenance for help and the disclaimer at the bottom. No one helps each other out in this airline and the onus is put on the pilot...no wonder it is impossible to be a captain in this airline. Guys it is just an airplane....wether it is a 737, 777, 767, 747....there is only so many ways to fly an aircraft....stop making it a science and upgrade the highly qualified FO's.
But what I have noticed in the last couple of months is that this company and training department is moving in the right direction and things are getting so much better.
But as to the upgrade, it has nothing to do with the 3yrs, they are looking at the muturity and the ability to manage and be open minded to others as well be assertive etc etc....What the guys are saying A340J is give the FO's who have been here for 3yrs a chance if there is a need for Captains, don't by-pass them.
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Guys;
I am very disapointed with EK. My interview went really well and I am a captain with my current employer but applied for an FO position,. After looking at things in retro-respect and seeing who got an offer and who didn't It seems that if you are a brit , and australian or a south african you will get the job no matter what kind of experience you have and if you are from another country well if they like you fine, if not good luck with your future endeavors.
What a waste of time and resources.
I am very disapointed with EK. My interview went really well and I am a captain with my current employer but applied for an FO position,. After looking at things in retro-respect and seeing who got an offer and who didn't It seems that if you are a brit , and australian or a south african you will get the job no matter what kind of experience you have and if you are from another country well if they like you fine, if not good luck with your future endeavors.
What a waste of time and resources.
A340 jock
You are one sad piece of garbage. you probably got your command in 3 years , or are a DEC that everybody hates. What right have you to comment on the F/Os.
You think its fair 777 guys get their commands in 3 years and the Airbus guys have to wait longer because there is no aircraft coming. What if the A380 doesnt come there would be no more commands on Airbus for years. Its lucky nobody knows who you are or you would have nobody to fly with. Pull your head in looser.
You are one sad piece of garbage. you probably got your command in 3 years , or are a DEC that everybody hates. What right have you to comment on the F/Os.
You think its fair 777 guys get their commands in 3 years and the Airbus guys have to wait longer because there is no aircraft coming. What if the A380 doesnt come there would be no more commands on Airbus for years. Its lucky nobody knows who you are or you would have nobody to fly with. Pull your head in looser.
Wow, arobs' really lit a fire here.
Some things we might deduce about him.
1/ He works for Emirates
2/ He's an American.
3/ He's a DEC.
4/ He think's that he's made a good move.
5/ He think's that anybody in EK should be grateful to be allowed to work there.
Sound familiar?
Having said that, I don't think that arob is abrian. But maybe they went to the same school.
Some things we might deduce about him.
1/ He works for Emirates
2/ He's an American.
3/ He's a DEC.
4/ He think's that he's made a good move.
5/ He think's that anybody in EK should be grateful to be allowed to work there.
Sound familiar?
Having said that, I don't think that arob is abrian. But maybe they went to the same school.
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A340 jock is absolutely right, most of EK F/O are a great bunch of prof and mature pilots. They dont blame the DECs because they might gonna do the same thing in the future.
Only a few incompetent i....s r complaining about EK and other minor things. If you are not happy here than just go. But pls stop whining and blaming others. They are plenty of jobs.
This is not a kindergaten.
Only a few incompetent i....s r complaining about EK and other minor things. If you are not happy here than just go. But pls stop whining and blaming others. They are plenty of jobs.
This is not a kindergaten.
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UAX.. I suppose that is a way of explaining why you didnt pass. If I saves your self esteem, good on you. I dont think it the case though. Sometimes it actually goes the other way. When there are too many from any of the big nationalities, they cut down the intake. To avoid dominance of any particular nationality.
Scooter...Chill. You are behaving like a brat. Shame on you..
Ready to copy.....I would like to be treated like a Cadet pilot. Just call rostering and tell them which flight you want. Work 20 yrs and retire on 75% of final salary. I know that wasnt what you meant though. These people dont have your interest at heart. Never had. Not ment to either. Stay here. Get 2000hr LHS and get a DEC job elsewhere. The 7 years is not worth waiting for...
Scooter...Chill. You are behaving like a brat. Shame on you..
Ready to copy.....I would like to be treated like a Cadet pilot. Just call rostering and tell them which flight you want. Work 20 yrs and retire on 75% of final salary. I know that wasnt what you meant though. These people dont have your interest at heart. Never had. Not ment to either. Stay here. Get 2000hr LHS and get a DEC job elsewhere. The 7 years is not worth waiting for...
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Nearjet, it seems you are the one not reading my posts carefully. I never painted all EK f/o's with the same brush I in fact emphasized that "some" and only "some" here on Pprune seem to constantly throw their toys from the pram. Most f/o's in EK are highly professional individuals with very high hours. Nor did I say that the majority come from "coconut airways", I certainly believe that the one's constantly whining about command and DEC's probably came from "Joe Bloggs airways" flying poxy 737's and suddenly after 3 years fancy themselves in the left seat of a 777.
Just take a look at the comment from Mr Scooter there and you'll soon realize that the boy is just doing his best to substantiate what I'm talking about.
It's always the same small bunch of spoilt little brats screaming and whining and going on for ever. EK has about 1,600 pilots at present, it only seems a dozen or so are the ones constanly complaining here on Pprune.
I never said that I agree in principle with the DEC issue, but sadly that is the way many airlines with a high growth rate as EK go. In my previous airline we had the same problem, so what, that's life, who said life is always fair? Does that mean you loose all self esteem and rant on like a three year old because they took your toy away. I'd like to see actually how many of these hypocrits would not take a DEC position in another airline like SQ say if it was offered to them? Let me guess
Grow up boys and stop being complete and utter prats. You only make fools of yourselves
Over and out.
Enough typing, time for a nice cold one.
Cheers
Just take a look at the comment from Mr Scooter there and you'll soon realize that the boy is just doing his best to substantiate what I'm talking about.
It's always the same small bunch of spoilt little brats screaming and whining and going on for ever. EK has about 1,600 pilots at present, it only seems a dozen or so are the ones constanly complaining here on Pprune.
I never said that I agree in principle with the DEC issue, but sadly that is the way many airlines with a high growth rate as EK go. In my previous airline we had the same problem, so what, that's life, who said life is always fair? Does that mean you loose all self esteem and rant on like a three year old because they took your toy away. I'd like to see actually how many of these hypocrits would not take a DEC position in another airline like SQ say if it was offered to them? Let me guess
Grow up boys and stop being complete and utter prats. You only make fools of yourselves
Over and out.
Enough typing, time for a nice cold one.
Cheers
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The 777 LHR thing is about 10 days old. Apparently he is back in DXB. Had an argument with security, went to a/c. CAA shows up and does breathalyser, he fails and does 4 days jail.
The Belgium f/o is still in DXB sorting paper work before his dep.
Reversed into a cab, breathalysed, jailed for 9 days. Court finds him innocent and gives him 9 days credit in jail for his next offence. JH from HR says sick days can't be used for doing innocent jail time and kicks him out.
The 1100hr thing has been with gcaa for a few weeks.
The Varig thing is hot rumour.
Cheers AA
The 777 LHR thing is about 10 days old. Apparently he is back in DXB. Had an argument with security, went to a/c. CAA shows up and does breathalyser, he fails and does 4 days jail.
The Belgium f/o is still in DXB sorting paper work before his dep.
Reversed into a cab, breathalysed, jailed for 9 days. Court finds him innocent and gives him 9 days credit in jail for his next offence. JH from HR says sick days can't be used for doing innocent jail time and kicks him out.
The 1100hr thing has been with gcaa for a few weeks.
The Varig thing is hot rumour.
Cheers AA
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and does 4 days jail
Have heard the breathalizer has been used on expats in accidents involving locals , where it was the locals fault and a false reading has been used to convict the innocent and protect the local from his stupidity. Careful in Dubai.
So what leave is availiable for Jail time?
So what leave is availiable for Jail time?
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Ahad Adump
You're an ar$eh
e!
We don't need this all over the general media especially when you seem to have got your facts wrong
In the UK, where one of these events happened, you are innocent until proven guilty. You seem to have it all wrapped up already
Get a life.
HD
You're an ar$eh
e!We don't need this all over the general media especially when you seem to have got your facts wrong
In the UK, where one of these events happened, you are innocent until proven guilty. You seem to have it all wrapped up already
Get a life.
HD