Life after EK
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Co party... cant wait .. may be we should do a cathay thing with a bowl or 2 of peanuts. Read the portal today, cannnot believe their attitude. Might bring the boys down from waxy's!!! should make it a bit more intereseting.
PS forgot to say ... plus a few stella"s for the good boys here> AS don't drink yours
PS forgot to say ... plus a few stella"s for the good boys here> AS don't drink yours
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Why would anybody be remotely interested in this PARTY anyway.
The only people there will be management ,and Brownosers who want to climb the corporate slippery pole!!
That is not fun to me!!
The only people there will be management ,and Brownosers who want to climb the corporate slippery pole!!That is not fun to me!!
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I have seen the posts, and I believe that I have given a balanced account of the situation at EK.
I have taken a position that has been approved by the pilot union and not only management. It means that although for sure someone interanally could have gone for it, the pilot body has approved it.
This is more than the current situation in EK. It is a move home, it is a move that benefits the family, and it is a move into an organization that is different to EK.
I have taken a position that has been approved by the pilot union and not only management. It means that although for sure someone interanally could have gone for it, the pilot body has approved it.
This is more than the current situation in EK. It is a move home, it is a move that benefits the family, and it is a move into an organization that is different to EK.
I'm not wishing you ill, quite the opposite, but it is no different to taking a dec at ek. You see there is no need to get pilot body approval at ek because there isnt one.There is no need to get pilot body approval at your new place either because even thought there is one they dont make policy just window dressing . Ask the internal guys if they were offered your job , not the top table reps, harumphing away with the management. Probably eying up a juicy job themselves at the top table.
Again I dont wish you ill just lets not fool ourselves (yourselves) and justify what is a move that suits you, not your new colleagues. Oh just like a dec at ek.
A spade is a spade
The union may have approved a few positions as a bargaining tool but I'll bet it was not put to any pilot body particularly the ones it may affect.
Good luck anyway. I hope your new colleagues show a better tolerance for your arrival than some of the childish sh1te on here.
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I say again.
Where exekpilot is going is irrelevant to the DEC issues at Emirates. Particularly to those F/Os/recent upgrades still at Ek who have been screwed over by the DEC program.
Where exekpilot is going is irrelevant to the DEC issues at Emirates. Particularly to those F/Os/recent upgrades still at Ek who have been screwed over by the DEC program.
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Best I have heard in a long tiime
You're dammed right about this..
But sometimes you look for something , maybe some technical , maybe something about a company..
Well I am a pilot lying on the beach and just enjoying my time on a B747 flight deck at 32 years of age..
C Ya !!
But sometimes you look for something , maybe some technical , maybe something about a company..
Well I am a pilot lying on the beach and just enjoying my time on a B747 flight deck at 32 years of age..
C Ya !!
Nope dude...this forum is not an information service fot you pleasure. Its a rumour network.....
The negative guyes can let off some steam here. The happy ones are at the beach or the pub...
If anyone makes their decision on info retrieved from a RUMOUR network, for their long term plans, when then good luck
Well there you go...Did you actually equate a pilot to an unskilled labour in terms of rights. Never been to the ME have we?
The negative guyes can let off some steam here. The happy ones are at the beach or the pub...
If anyone makes their decision on info retrieved from a RUMOUR network, for their long term plans, when then good luck
Well there you go...Did you actually equate a pilot to an unskilled labour in terms of rights. Never been to the ME have we?
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Yeah, and I work with many guys who are less than 30 years of age who are captains on heavy jets and are tired of going to the beach every day.They have different toys for every day of the week
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Do I hear some engines whinnying, or is it again the same people that keep complaining, and do absolutely nothing?
After reading most of the posts I do agree that there is a lot to be done , however I still don't agree with the comments saying that DEC are preventing FOs from upgrading. Having joined from Coconut Airways with 2000 hrs jet time and a Captain babysitting you all this time does not give you entiltlment to an upgrade.
DEC have been around forever!! It is a quick solution by most airlines to compensate for the fast growth of the airline as is the case of Emirates.
Most go and throw another shrimp on the barbie
After reading most of the posts I do agree that there is a lot to be done , however I still don't agree with the comments saying that DEC are preventing FOs from upgrading. Having joined from Coconut Airways with 2000 hrs jet time and a Captain babysitting you all this time does not give you entiltlment to an upgrade.
DEC have been around forever!! It is a quick solution by most airlines to compensate for the fast growth of the airline as is the case of Emirates.
Most go and throw another shrimp on the barbie
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arob, thats right, you are not entitled to an upgrade. But doing your 3 years and getting 4's and 5's ie good marks, I believe entitles you to a shot at it ahead of DEC's though
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I love this site. A breeding ground for Flight Deck who beleive that complaining will get them far in Emirates. Funny how till now, the company hasnt changed anything thats annoyed you. Perhaps they look at it from a BUSINESS point of view and not a "Im a captain/FO, im special and need my life in dubai to be perfect, oh please emirates, change everything to make me happy"... Rat Poison, Life is soo difficult for you in Emirates. Poor you. I will buy u a lollipop and perhaps that will make you feel muchhhhhhh better for the next hour or so...
Its very simple "unhappy bunch". Stay, bite your tongue and survive or leave and give someone else who wants to join an oppurtunity.
Its very simple "unhappy bunch". Stay, bite your tongue and survive or leave and give someone else who wants to join an oppurtunity.
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747...my point is, if one is interested in a airline change, pprune in not the place to find your info. Nobady says anything nice in here about anything. EXEKPILOT did a great and balanced piece, but they are far apart.
If you have never been to the ME, and want to come work here, you must travel down with the wife and see it for yourself.
Excellent that you are on the B747 cockpit at 32. Swedish friend of mine was B777 skipper at 30.....after having flown the B747. Time and place is off the essence.
If you have never been to the ME, and want to come work here, you must travel down with the wife and see it for yourself.
Excellent that you are on the B747 cockpit at 32. Swedish friend of mine was B777 skipper at 30.....after having flown the B747. Time and place is off the essence.
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EK: Resignation Rate Increasing
Oh dear??
A couple more high seniority resignations this week, the boys are off to greener pastures. I was wondering. what do you think the chances are for the likes of TCAS to be finally held to account for the mess that he has managed to put EK flight ops. in?
Sorry TCAS, you can't hold Mister Ed. responsible for this one, he hasn't been around long enough, and I do know that you are the one who is saying that basings aren't necessary, despite the 50% decrease in applications and a massive spike in resignations.
Remember that TCK had his sycophant's ball just before he was summarily marched out with cause.
A couple more high seniority resignations this week, the boys are off to greener pastures. I was wondering. what do you think the chances are for the likes of TCAS to be finally held to account for the mess that he has managed to put EK flight ops. in?
Sorry TCAS, you can't hold Mister Ed. responsible for this one, he hasn't been around long enough, and I do know that you are the one who is saying that basings aren't necessary, despite the 50% decrease in applications and a massive spike in resignations.
Remember that TCK had his sycophant's ball just before he was summarily marched out with cause.
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Ironic that the 'cheaper' DECs are becoming more expensive...
The effect of recruiting inexperienced DECs has been an increase training costs (more sims/sector training), added to the replacement costs of not only the 'experienced' captains leaving but also the F/Os resigning having been lied to and disadvantaged by the policy. Prospective candidates are also turning their back on EK as the DECs signal a lack of F/O career progression adding even more to the cost.
Lack of pilots on the line are leading to more work for those already fatigued and angry with the current situation... expect more resignations of the 'expensive' pilots to come.
Long term safety issues will also add significantly to the overall cost.
The lack of foresight and crass implimentation of the DECs policy will cost far more in the long run.
The effect of recruiting inexperienced DECs has been an increase training costs (more sims/sector training), added to the replacement costs of not only the 'experienced' captains leaving but also the F/Os resigning having been lied to and disadvantaged by the policy. Prospective candidates are also turning their back on EK as the DECs signal a lack of F/O career progression adding even more to the cost.
Lack of pilots on the line are leading to more work for those already fatigued and angry with the current situation... expect more resignations of the 'expensive' pilots to come.
Long term safety issues will also add significantly to the overall cost.
The lack of foresight and crass implimentation of the DECs policy will cost far more in the long run.
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Nobody NEW who is senior that shows up on the rostering system for November, unless you count a 15xxxx staff number as senior 
Last guys that I could see who where senior are evil & bill, IYKWIM
Last guys that I could see who where senior are evil & bill, IYKWIM
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Also more resignations from training, where the new DECs will have to be trained...
Anyone with a 15XXXX staff number would be in their eighth year with Emirates, which would have to equate to 25 years worth of ****e in any other airline. So i'd say they are senior, anyone who has been here around 15y is more likely to be classified as senile.
Or equipped with unfathomable amounts of tolerance, fortitude and a hide as thick as an elephants.
Anyone with a 15XXXX staff number would be in their eighth year with Emirates, which would have to equate to 25 years worth of ****e in any other airline. So i'd say they are senior, anyone who has been here around 15y is more likely to be classified as senile.
Or equipped with unfathomable amounts of tolerance, fortitude and a hide as thick as an elephants.