Life after EK
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I don't think this idiot has any motivations. Idiots don't need motivations. Idiots often make their idiotic posts for no reason at all. Not that I'd know because that idiot is now enjoying the only position on my Ignore List so I don't even notice his idiotic posts anymore!
What a dickless waste of cyberspace.
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3000 views in less than 36 hrs. I have no doubt you'll keep on reading.
It's a shame Mutley, your last post has been your best humour yet!
On the subject of the original thread, pragmatic, why don't you enlighten us with your situation. You have a fairly keen audience.
3000 views in less than 36 hrs. I have no doubt you'll keep on reading.
It's a shame Mutley, your last post has been your best humour yet!
On the subject of the original thread, pragmatic, why don't you enlighten us with your situation. You have a fairly keen audience.
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HI Guys and Girls Im new to this forum but since I will be leaving the sandpit and EK soon. Thought Id join so I can add my two cents worth as to my reasons for going back to reality.
Watch this space
Watch this space
Will Explain when Ive time
Sorry Guys just dont have the time or the energy at the moment to explain, will do so in due course.
Im certainly not EK management have more self respect than to be part of that team, Im a Pilot not a Politician.
Also its easier to join this outfit than to leave, you will all find out when your turn comes no doubt.
After briefly reading TCAS latest rantings bout fuel prices and monitoring, And "dont be defensive if you get a call from management to explain your extra fuel reasons" I really feel vindicated in my decision to leave, HAPPY DAYS GUYS
Sorry Guys just dont have the time or the energy at the moment to explain, will do so in due course.
Im certainly not EK management have more self respect than to be part of that team, Im a Pilot not a Politician.
Also its easier to join this outfit than to leave, you will all find out when your turn comes no doubt.
After briefly reading TCAS latest rantings bout fuel prices and monitoring, And "dont be defensive if you get a call from management to explain your extra fuel reasons" I really feel vindicated in my decision to leave, HAPPY DAYS GUYS
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Well guys,after 11 yrs Im leaving.
I couldnt find anyone to resign to on the day then a secretary pointed me to Mr Eds office where he politely listened but told me that attrition was well in limilts of 5% and that the market was buoyant and people missed home thats why they left.
Mr Ed asked me to write my comments/suggestions down when I suggested that my only letter ever written to AS of 2years ago remained unanswered,he assured me he would reply.I even believed him. .I duly did this some 2-3 months ago.no reply to date.
Exit interview,pleasant enough but once again "no problem" plenty of applicants and "everythings just fine".
In total I ve had one letter from LL which was a resume of my time and a few kind words.Thats it.Hes a decent man.
Leaving is OK if you line your ducks up in a row before hand,all the clerks and office people charming,but DXB traffic will mean a min of 2-3 days driving getting signed out.Clearance letters from bank/etisalat time consuming.Passport is biggest problem they had mine 5 plus days avoid weekendsto depart.Perhaps I will get my passport at the airport with a reply to my letter,a gold watch,signed photo,handshake etc prior to departure?? Perhaps AS himself may turn up to shake my hand?
For those who know me,it was a pleasure professionally and socially..Its a small world out there,take it easy and fly safely.No visuals or handflying though fellas OK..The most worrying aspect is the total denial within Flt Ops yet saying cheerio to some of the best people in the business at the CBC these last couple of months.What a total mess AAR & AS have got themselves into yet they have superb resources and many talented pilots from around the world.It is unbelievable.
Who will eventually tell the Emperor he has no clothes?
The pub awaits in cooler climes.Cheers to all professional ppruners,QB
I couldnt find anyone to resign to on the day then a secretary pointed me to Mr Eds office where he politely listened but told me that attrition was well in limilts of 5% and that the market was buoyant and people missed home thats why they left.
Mr Ed asked me to write my comments/suggestions down when I suggested that my only letter ever written to AS of 2years ago remained unanswered,he assured me he would reply.I even believed him. .I duly did this some 2-3 months ago.no reply to date.
Exit interview,pleasant enough but once again "no problem" plenty of applicants and "everythings just fine".
In total I ve had one letter from LL which was a resume of my time and a few kind words.Thats it.Hes a decent man.
Leaving is OK if you line your ducks up in a row before hand,all the clerks and office people charming,but DXB traffic will mean a min of 2-3 days driving getting signed out.Clearance letters from bank/etisalat time consuming.Passport is biggest problem they had mine 5 plus days avoid weekendsto depart.Perhaps I will get my passport at the airport with a reply to my letter,a gold watch,signed photo,handshake etc prior to departure?? Perhaps AS himself may turn up to shake my hand?
For those who know me,it was a pleasure professionally and socially..Its a small world out there,take it easy and fly safely.No visuals or handflying though fellas OK..The most worrying aspect is the total denial within Flt Ops yet saying cheerio to some of the best people in the business at the CBC these last couple of months.What a total mess AAR & AS have got themselves into yet they have superb resources and many talented pilots from around the world.It is unbelievable.
Who will eventually tell the Emperor he has no clothes?
The pub awaits in cooler climes.Cheers to all professional ppruners,QB
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Just a couple of observastions. Who joins here with the aspect of staying for a whole career-20 plus years? So why is it surprising that many with time in country are leaving after 10 years or so? Folks miss their roots.
And if you think it is just EK that doesn't give a s***t when experienced pilots leave, better look around. We are a number boys, filling a slot. If planes reach destinations with little or no apparant issues, then we have a great bunch of qualified pilots. And having been here just a short time, I am very very impressed with the professionalism and expertice of the pilots I have run into. And that's why it works. When I left my big carrier after 20+ years, did any one call me, did I get any handshakes? Hell no. I did get a nice shiney plaque in the mail about 4 months later.
So fellows, don't lament on what EK has become. It is now a big carrier like all carriers with the same bean counters, whannabees, etc. probably running it. Or not even big carriers, just big corporations.
Life in the big city......
TU
And if you think it is just EK that doesn't give a s***t when experienced pilots leave, better look around. We are a number boys, filling a slot. If planes reach destinations with little or no apparant issues, then we have a great bunch of qualified pilots. And having been here just a short time, I am very very impressed with the professionalism and expertice of the pilots I have run into. And that's why it works. When I left my big carrier after 20+ years, did any one call me, did I get any handshakes? Hell no. I did get a nice shiney plaque in the mail about 4 months later.
So fellows, don't lament on what EK has become. It is now a big carrier like all carriers with the same bean counters, whannabees, etc. probably running it. Or not even big carriers, just big corporations.
Life in the big city......
TU
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All the best QB.I always enjoy reading your posts.Sad to see you leave.
Gee TangoUniform fantastic insight.I just love you DEC's with all your wisdom.
You are just like the new Jumeira Janes I see at Choithrams abusing the checkout staff about why they have run out of Orio's.Please enlighten us all with some more of your pearls of wisdom.
Gee TangoUniform fantastic insight.I just love you DEC's with all your wisdom.
You are just like the new Jumeira Janes I see at Choithrams abusing the checkout staff about why they have run out of Orio's.Please enlighten us all with some more of your pearls of wisdom.
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It's a bit disappointing to see colleagues leaving here and going down to Dubai, then read so many are bailing from down there as well...the raionale here, is better schooling and housing coverage..little if no out of pocket at EK as opposed to GF, but I fear the money "saved" by not going so much our of pocket for schooling and housing, will for sure find it's way back into the UAE economy, as opposed to the offshore account...good luck to all those who venture forth...hope it's not an "out of the skillet into the fire" scenario
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It's not pearls of wisdom, not anything other than observations of what seems to be the culture at all large corporations around the world. Man some raw nerves here, and trying very hard to step lightly.
Curious though, DR and others, how many see this as a 20 plus year career, being an expat?
And how am I like the JJs abusing the staff?
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Tango, I think your observation is spot on, but then again, that is just my opinion and as the saying goes.....
I initially was only looking at ten years in the sand, but subject to big global shifts have adjusted that upwards. Twenty years? Sure, if nothing that suits me better doesn't come along in the meantime.
I initially was only looking at ten years in the sand, but subject to big global shifts have adjusted that upwards. Twenty years? Sure, if nothing that suits me better doesn't come along in the meantime.
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The above is so true just like the statement of how AAR & AS are running Ek into the ground - so sad to see when they have great resources available to them.
Only when the dust flies high will this problem be addressed, until then do not hold your breath.
Good luck for the future.
Who will eventually tell the Emperor he has no clothes?
Only when the dust flies high will this problem be addressed, until then do not hold your breath.
Good luck for the future.
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In short there will be parity between Flight deck and Cabin with Crew and PAX from 3rd world
This same trend is happening across the world and for some time now. What's not good for many is excellent for many others and the undesirable fix is to "take it or leave it". I just hope safety is an unforgettable word...
This face means everything...I felt it myself. Fortunately, I have been always one step ahead. I know many others haven't had the same luck. Where I am isn't a paradise (where is it?) but it's better. Most of decisions made have its practical objective and the dislikes forgotten after a good BBQ and chat.
Keep discovering until you find better!...
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Guys:
The idea of this forum is to give useful, and educated information to people contemplating to join EK, EY etc, however I see it is used in a way that it will point anyone with a little bit of common sense as far away from the dessert as possible. So here is my 2 cents worth of advice:
If you are unhappy, it is very simple..... Leave! Don't tell me you are just waiting for better opportunities, because right now a lot of Airlines are hiring, so no excuses there.
As long as there is an excess of fairly qualified pilots out there, the working conditions will not get any better for you, or anyone else for that matter.
Last, as an Expat, you are a guest worker, just like all the third world workers building those glamorous skyscrapers, without any union or fair labor representation.
The choice is yours! so what are you going to do Captain?
The idea of this forum is to give useful, and educated information to people contemplating to join EK, EY etc, however I see it is used in a way that it will point anyone with a little bit of common sense as far away from the dessert as possible. So here is my 2 cents worth of advice:
If you are unhappy, it is very simple..... Leave! Don't tell me you are just waiting for better opportunities, because right now a lot of Airlines are hiring, so no excuses there.
As long as there is an excess of fairly qualified pilots out there, the working conditions will not get any better for you, or anyone else for that matter.
Last, as an Expat, you are a guest worker, just like all the third world workers building those glamorous skyscrapers, without any union or fair labor representation.
The choice is yours! so what are you going to do Captain?
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Nope dude...this forum is not an information service fot you pleasure. Its a rumour network.....
The negative guyes can let off some steam here. The happy ones are at the beach or the pub...
If anyone makes their decision on info retrieved from a RUMOUR network, for their long term plans, when then good luck
Well there you go...Did you actually equate a pilot to an unskilled labour in terms of rights. Never been to the ME have we?
The negative guyes can let off some steam here. The happy ones are at the beach or the pub...
If anyone makes their decision on info retrieved from a RUMOUR network, for their long term plans, when then good luck
Well there you go...Did you actually equate a pilot to an unskilled labour in terms of rights. Never been to the ME have we?
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Apart from saying you are a local f/o and a bit of a dick think about the big picture.
If it was not for the expat work force in YOUR country there would not be a an airline to talk about.
That about says it all..,,
I look forward to taking another sector off you useless want to be capt with 500 hrs on type.
Apart from saying you are a local f/o and a bit of a dick think about the big picture.
If it was not for the expat work force in YOUR country there would not be a an airline to talk about.
That about says it all..,,
I look forward to taking another sector off you useless want to be capt with 500 hrs on type.
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Wake up boys
I've been reading the rants on this forum for quite some time now from you EK prats. It seems that you guys who came from Joe Bloggs Airways suddenly seem to think that by default after 3 years service on EK you are entitled to a wide body command. Wake up boys and smell the bacon, command is not an entitlement you actually have to earn it.
Your attitude towards command is indicative of immaturity and frankly you deserve to sit on the right seat till you're mature enough to handle anyhing near command responsibility. Do you seriously question why EK are seeking DEC's when you prats are acting the way you are?
Thankfully the vast majority of EK f/o's are a bit more mature and professional than most of you to$$ers on this forum and they are the one's who advance and become good captains, the rest of you are just a sad excuse of occupying the right seat.
Have you perhaps forgot where you guys came from before joining EK????
You have the b@lls to critisize DEC's who have been captains for the past 10-15 years because they are not familiar to the EK sop's or destinations. Do you seriously think that what makes a good captain has anything to do with familiarity with the route structure??
Get the thumb out boys and stop with the bloody whinging because it's frankly getting real old. If you want to make the cut start acting remotely professional.
Your attitude towards command is indicative of immaturity and frankly you deserve to sit on the right seat till you're mature enough to handle anyhing near command responsibility. Do you seriously question why EK are seeking DEC's when you prats are acting the way you are?
Thankfully the vast majority of EK f/o's are a bit more mature and professional than most of you to$$ers on this forum and they are the one's who advance and become good captains, the rest of you are just a sad excuse of occupying the right seat.
Have you perhaps forgot where you guys came from before joining EK????
You have the b@lls to critisize DEC's who have been captains for the past 10-15 years because they are not familiar to the EK sop's or destinations. Do you seriously think that what makes a good captain has anything to do with familiarity with the route structure??
Get the thumb out boys and stop with the bloody whinging because it's frankly getting real old. If you want to make the cut start acting remotely professional.