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Etihad Employment - threads merged - all you need to know

Old 18th Nov 2007, 18:17
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Thumbs up

XAV,

thanks alot,,

appreciate you sharing your experience. Wish you good luck ,,
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Old 19th Nov 2007, 10:12
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The sim could also be Takeoff, ENG FAIL after V1, Radar vectoring IMC, Downwind: Raw data flying, vectoring for single engine ILS.
A 30/40 minute session per crew.
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Old 19th Nov 2007, 20:31
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Dunno for Boeing rated guys...but for A320 or 330, it's an A330 sim assessment.
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Old 19th Nov 2007, 21:11
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Whatever metallic contraption you're flying, you will be tested on Airbus 330. The bus drivers will get the e/o exercise and the "others" get raw data ILS.
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 13:49
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Question

Having gone through pages and pages and pages of threads, I was wondering if some of you EY pilots could give me the following detailed information (FO and Capt info appreciated)

1) Basic salary on joining ( believe that is 24000/30000)

2) Flight pay

3)Hotel allowances

4) Overtime pay

5) EOSB (believe 1month basic/year of duty)

6) Salary protection they mention on the site.

7) Pension ( Yeah right...)



At the end of the month, how much can you expect to be tranferred to your account?

How is rostering?

Are requests granted?

How is the situation regarding accomodation. How much will a 3 bedroom villa in a nice compound set you back/month? Villa close to airport?

Does the rent to buy sheme really work?



I am looking for straight facts. Personal opinions are more than welcome but I have learned one thing...personal opinions are just that...personal!

Thanks a lot....


Le Sgnr
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 14:06
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Regarding the salary.., just go to their web site(career,flight crew), and you will find all the relevant information there..
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Old 27th Nov 2007, 08:00
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QR !!!

HI GUYS ....ANY INFO ABOUT QATAR AND HOW'S IT LIKE TO WORK FOR THEIR AIRLINE ???

CHEERZ
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Old 27th Nov 2007, 08:39
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Salaam man,


I have been there. The info provided there is very basic and not complete!

For example, the income protection does not seem to be in place...

I want to know what a pilot at EY gets at the end of the month in his account!
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Old 1st Dec 2007, 15:56
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So, what's the latest in EY hiring deal?
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Old 2nd Dec 2007, 14:42
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EY F/O on the 330 omly over the last 3 months, 30000 / 28400 / 27500 - ish

Busy then quiet due training.
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Old 2nd Dec 2007, 19:05
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Thats a lot less than an FO flying for QR...

But if I am not mistaken, this is without housing allowance correct?

In your opinion, is this sufficient to live and save some money?

How about upgrades? If you would join EY now with 6000hrs TT with A330 TR, how long before TR?

Thanks,
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Old 3rd Dec 2007, 06:45
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Good Move?

Hi there guys, I've been reading as much as I can about Etihad and noticed that the current problems are scheduling and housing with EY.

I've got a chance of making it in and would appreciate your inputs and your honest opinions by comparing what I'm leaving behind.

Currently 320 PIC in small Asian carrier, average 10000US/month No house allowance and no other extras, company outlook very grayish!!! No growth and horrible relationship between pilots.

On the table, 320 PIC with EY, with possible 330 later on.

Is it worth it money wise?
Good career move?
Life style compared with South East Asia, better?
Are the schools for the kids good?
Does the company really consider your time outside base after completing your regulated rest as a day off?
What's the criteria of being assigned a Vila or a flat in Abu Dhabi?
Housing is improving currently?

Keep hearing from others that joining EY it's a step up if you are coming from an Asian carrier, but it's not perfect either.

Thanks in advance for all your posts...
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Old 3rd Dec 2007, 07:40
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Hi,

On the A320 you will make roughly 10000 USD a month all inclusive with theoretically accomodaion provided, which won't. As per Management, new pilots will stay in hotels for 6 months at least due to shortage of available accomodation.
Don't believe what is not on your contract coz they hardly follow the written contracts, so vain promises, I let you imagine.

You may get a decent flat after a few months there, but only after dealing with a crappy and corrupted housing department.

Careerwise, well it may be a good one, don't expect too much, especially A330 or A340, once you are there, promises often change to lies, but you may be lucky , who knows

Lifestyle speaking, well, it depends where you come from, don't expect anything close to SIN or BKK, neither HKG. People can be as nice as they can be rude. It's a muslim country with its constraints, but quite relax though. It's safe , even if incidents occur more often these days. You are a worker and that's it.

Schools are generally good, despite expensive for the very good ones.

Rosters are the dark point, with management-pilot relations. You hardly have 7 days off a month and they usually give them in outstations, when you are not in minimum rest abroad.
You can consider you are on a standby roster the entire month, speaking of roster stability.
Expect 7 days or more in a row and 2 days OFF, then the same thing again and again. Mostly night flight with minimum rest in between 12 hours.
Overtime is ridiculous. For an average of 90 hours a month, flying 23 days a month, you will get 7000 AED extra, but rostering will do what they can to avoid it.

Crew atmosphere is generally good, when we are not exhausted.
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Old 3rd Dec 2007, 08:17
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AlGhazel basically summed it up.
He's obviously having a tougher time than me, 'cause I get nowhere near overtime limits. They do look at this and will alter duties accordingly - often at VERY short notice. So there go any plans you had with the family....
Days off, I've no complaints - yet. At least 8 with not all stby - avail turning into duties. Possible due to training so Capts. could be diff.
Salary, well, given the US dollar peg, it's getting worse. Not bad but OK.
Housing fully agree.
Schools, allowance nowhere near the ballpark for a decent school and there are a few. Sure you could go to the Australian School, which is in name only but many expats are pulling their children out of that one.
Housing, got a villa, one of the lucky ones. Ask lotsa questions on this one at interviews... Only know of 12 (6x2) larger villas under construction. Some smaller single level ones ready though...
For an L Shaped One look at: 2422'16.06"N / 5437'55.94"E
For the 3 x 3 ones look at: 2422'35.63"N / 5437'54.07"E
On Google Earth. Take a good look at the roads and sourrounding ammenities, like pools, gardens, childrens playgrounds, shopping Centres etc....
Interestingly enough, the incidence of fatigue has increased lately. Just for the occassional day. What happens after this is usually sickness which will knock ya out for 4 - 6 days.
So if the ones who care are reading this, slow down the work and you'll get less sickness.
It's easier to cover an occassional day as opposed to 2 - 3 lots of 4-6 days.....
Leave - what's that ? Oh but can you take it at times other than Ramadan etc... Does that mean that the "locals" don't get leave over Easter and Christmas ?
Anyway the crews work well together when you see them - slam / click mostly. Galley Ghosts. Flight Deck - Good guys to fly with.
Oh allowances, HA HA HA - You Funny!
These are almost as non-existant as communications of any importance from Management. (Unless your hair is long...) Plus they are paid a month in arrears, so you gotta withdraw $$ from your account overseas - costs ya, or get it changed-costs ya, pay fees etc... So it costs ya.

OK Ok, in hindsight this sounds a wee bit negative. It's not a bad place.
It's a 4 yr old company, basically doing well, but with some MAJOR teething issues; that, if not addressed could turn into a major abcess....

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Old 3rd Dec 2007, 15:30
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Ooooooooooh! Lordy lordy!

Anyone for bananas?
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Old 3rd Dec 2007, 19:31
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The ability to recruit will be hindered unless the existing pilots are treated better, candidates read PPRuNe. Two days off after ULR...gone...now two local nights rest. Cant watch a movie or eat in the first class or business cabin....gone. Previously was allowed any empty seat in FC or J cabin. Now we get last seat in economy and even those were occupied by pax on my last two flights.
Back to back late starts with minimum rest taken during daylight hours. Calling sick due to fatigue is at an all time high. The spiral will worsen as more guys resign and replacements cant keep up with attrition, much less expansion. The topics on the flight deck are; the reporting culture being encouraged by the new GF regime, travel benefits being eroded, long hours with short rest, overtime being calculated over a two month period, no bidline system, conditions changed on a week to week basis with no consultation and training is now shortened to one day instead of two because the trainers are overextended and cant handle the workload.
If these issues can be resolved it would be a great place to work, the people you work with are fantastic, it's just the GF management team has p***ed us of with their policies and methods.
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Old 3rd Dec 2007, 20:37
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help

I too was wondering about flying in this region. I am interested in Emirates and am looking for some help. I have been a Capt on B-777, A-320 and 737. Have flown 757/767, 747-100 and 747-400
Currently w/ UAL and have no strings attached, so looking for a diff pasture. Had a gent on my jumpseat and mentioned some carriers (emirates one) that hire into left seat.
Any helpful thoughts. Trying to regain lost retirement etc and looking for a more stable airline.....(did I say that?)
Thanks
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Old 4th Dec 2007, 05:22
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Cant speak for EY, or EK but the region in general doesnt compare with the USA majors..while the bottom line salary and terms might seem close after all the "salary adjustments" in the states, the work rules and benefits just aren't there...
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Old 4th Dec 2007, 08:20
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Thanks for the reply.
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Old 4th Dec 2007, 09:40
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Work Rules...? Wot work rules. rules assumes that they are concrete, I think ours are more like quick-sand, shifting all the time.

If these countries want some real kudos with the developed world, they need to adopt some modern practices regarding Flight Duty times.
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