View Poll Results: EK Guys - would you work a day off?
Sure I would
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Who me? I don't even answer the phone
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I'd work if 4HP asked me to
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Jeez---a living hell? I've been here about 4 years and I kinda like it. Granted, we all have our " Dubai Days" but I think you should speak for yourself, not for me and the many other pilots whom you don't know. As far as the "rose tinted glasses" I needed mine the other day on the golf course. The sunshine here is awful.
I hope your new situation is good for you and your family. I know EK and Dubai is right for me and mine.
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P.S. Soles are something that are on the bottom of one's feet or shoes. (back to lurking)
I hope your new situation is good for you and your family. I know EK and Dubai is right for me and mine.
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P.S. Soles are something that are on the bottom of one's feet or shoes. (back to lurking)
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My point?
Well, if someone had been impressed by Pontious' ramblings and their decision to join EK had been influenced by reading it, they might well be surprised to find that he had resigned a few months after his postings.
Perhaps more to the point, anybody reading recent postings by the likes of Crinklstein and bigusdicus would do well to consider the above 'point'.
As an aside, both of the aforementioned recent posters have more than a whiff of the USA about them. And that makes me wonder if Ed is getting his buddies to pump up EK on PPRuNe? ...........Or maybe they're both Captain America.
Well, if someone had been impressed by Pontious' ramblings and their decision to join EK had been influenced by reading it, they might well be surprised to find that he had resigned a few months after his postings.
Perhaps more to the point, anybody reading recent postings by the likes of Crinklstein and bigusdicus would do well to consider the above 'point'.
As an aside, both of the aforementioned recent posters have more than a whiff of the USA about them. And that makes me wonder if Ed is getting his buddies to pump up EK on PPRuNe? ...........Or maybe they're both Captain America.
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You can have a seat at my table any time Mr.Idler - your investigative work in unearthing Pontious's rose-tinted warble is very topical and should serve as a warning to all those hopeful "inbounds" who really do believe that the grass is greener on this side. For someone to go from the positive, buoyant outlook that Pontious had in his '04 post to banging out shortly afterwards, back to (I'll use his words) crappy weather, tax, crappy promotion prospects, tax, a crappy government, tax, crappy services, tax, miserable b******s on late trains, tax, road rage,tax, the whordes of juvenile delinquents of a jilted generation, tax, same old Med and Caribbean routes, tax, same old routine, tax, whinging b******s, tax oh and dwindling pensions is a statement in itself.
Your perception is astute - let me make a small announcement that you have alluded to - Crinklstein & bigusdicus are the same guy - remind you of someone else we haven't heard from recently? Nope it's not the tartanguy (unless he's using a new IP address) but he's displaying the same ethos.
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For someone to go from the positive, buoyant outlook that Pontious had in his '04 post to banging out shortly afterwards, back to (I'll use his words) crappy weather, tax, crappy promotion prospects, tax, a crappy government, tax, crappy services, tax, miserable b******s on late trains, tax, road rage,tax, the whordes of juvenile delinquents of a jilted generation, tax, same old Med and Caribbean routes, tax, same old routine, tax, whinging b******s, tax oh and dwindling pensions is a statement in itself.Your perception is astute - let me make a small announcement that you have alluded to - Crinklstein & bigusdicus are the same guy - remind you of someone else we haven't heard from recently? Nope it's not the tartanguy (unless he's using a new IP address) but he's displaying the same ethos.
4HP
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A few snippets you guys might enjoy...'cause despite theidler's and my set too umpteen pages back I really am on your side.
A bunch...like more than several...narrow body (but some with previous widebody longhaul experience) airbus pilots I know, who showed some vague interest in EK several years ago are being 'harrassed', for want of a better word, via phone to renew interest and come for an interview...one guy I was chatting to recently had them ring several times at his home and he was out...his kids/wife answered and they kept ringing back...I think he said 3 times over 8 days or something...until they got him...I am not sure as to his level of enthusiasm but it didn't seem the least bit 'overt'
Likewise with Etihad...some of the same guys being contacted by phone or email out of the blue...all experienced guys who are good operators as far as i am aware...although I don't fly airbus.
Boeing guys I speak to who have been exploring their options at Etihad report a significant upward adjustment in T&Cs..which if memory serves were a bit above EK in recent years...at least that was the opinion expressed by mate interned with you lot.
Was chatting on skype (we get that here in the world) to a mate in Japan...not saying where...his company recently requested 'a show of hands' from those interested in transfering to the new freighters...and were singularly dissappointed with the 100% lack of enthusiasm
They went away and had a think and came back to the pilots and said, in effect,..."nah guys we are serious...show of hands...come on, you know you want to!!"
Effective response was ''...ahhh...Nope".
So bosses go away for another think and some weeks later, after pondering the huge freight contracts they had with sundry institutions, start dates etc, and I have no doubt, having advertised widely for DE everyfeckingthing, finally said, in effect. "Ahh would a us$30k one off payment and a us$1500/mth payrise (net figures) do it for you?"...and, yes, my reaction too was... YGBSM
Cue sea of hands.
But wait there is more 
The affected pilots were offered contracts between 2 and 5 years, take their pick
...and allegedly to a man signed 2 year contracts...these guys are reading the trends
So allegedly there is a Boeing captain contract out there with huge growth plans currently paying USD15K/mth on a 10 consequtive day off commuting basis..where you can also take two days/mth annual leave...and also sell back 2 days for $1500 making it a 14 days on/14 days off commuting roster at USD13.5k gross...tax your problem
I have no reason to doubt the veracity of anything above which has all been told to me in the last 3 days. I am NOT particularly tempted to race off an application to the japan thing because, to be perfectly frank, I couldn't take the 6 mths of licencing BS that preceeds it...but it's definately more grist for the mill and that is all good. Similarly not terribly interested in the sandpit at this point in my life...but people I know scattered around are...rumour mill suggests Etihad not EK.
I like where I am and I think T&Cs here will go up...not perhaps enough to match the above...but close enough below so it wouldn't be worth the agro, for me personally, to change jobs with all that entails...But I reserve the right to change my mind
Or they won't
I just sit back and smile...call me a fool but I get fewer ulcers that way...and really what else can we do...voting with your feet works for some, and I guess most of us have done it at least once, but it can be a terrible waste of leather too
I know I am going to be working bloody hard in the next few years while all this shakes out and that is ok...my only child is about to head off to college and I am not otherwise burdened...and I like flying...and I think it's gonna be worth it.
A bunch...like more than several...narrow body (but some with previous widebody longhaul experience) airbus pilots I know, who showed some vague interest in EK several years ago are being 'harrassed', for want of a better word, via phone to renew interest and come for an interview...one guy I was chatting to recently had them ring several times at his home and he was out...his kids/wife answered and they kept ringing back...I think he said 3 times over 8 days or something...until they got him...I am not sure as to his level of enthusiasm but it didn't seem the least bit 'overt'
Likewise with Etihad...some of the same guys being contacted by phone or email out of the blue...all experienced guys who are good operators as far as i am aware...although I don't fly airbus.
Boeing guys I speak to who have been exploring their options at Etihad report a significant upward adjustment in T&Cs..which if memory serves were a bit above EK in recent years...at least that was the opinion expressed by mate interned with you lot.
Was chatting on skype (we get that here in the world) to a mate in Japan...not saying where...his company recently requested 'a show of hands' from those interested in transfering to the new freighters...and were singularly dissappointed with the 100% lack of enthusiasm
They went away and had a think and came back to the pilots and said, in effect,..."nah guys we are serious...show of hands...come on, you know you want to!!" Effective response was ''...ahhh...Nope".
So bosses go away for another think and some weeks later, after pondering the huge freight contracts they had with sundry institutions, start dates etc, and I have no doubt, having advertised widely for DE everyfeckingthing, finally said, in effect. "Ahh would a us$30k one off payment and a us$1500/mth payrise (net figures) do it for you?"...and, yes, my reaction too was... YGBSM
Cue sea of hands.
But wait there is more
The affected pilots were offered contracts between 2 and 5 years, take their pick ...and allegedly to a man signed 2 year contracts...these guys are reading the trendsSo allegedly there is a Boeing captain contract out there with huge growth plans currently paying USD15K/mth on a 10 consequtive day off commuting basis..where you can also take two days/mth annual leave...and also sell back 2 days for $1500 making it a 14 days on/14 days off commuting roster at USD13.5k gross...tax your problem
I have no reason to doubt the veracity of anything above which has all been told to me in the last 3 days. I am NOT particularly tempted to race off an application to the japan thing because, to be perfectly frank, I couldn't take the 6 mths of licencing BS that preceeds it...but it's definately more grist for the mill and that is all good. Similarly not terribly interested in the sandpit at this point in my life...but people I know scattered around are...rumour mill suggests Etihad not EK.
I like where I am and I think T&Cs here will go up...not perhaps enough to match the above...but close enough below so it wouldn't be worth the agro, for me personally, to change jobs with all that entails...But I reserve the right to change my mind
Or they won't
I just sit back and smile...call me a fool but I get fewer ulcers that way...and really what else can we do...voting with your feet works for some, and I guess most of us have done it at least once, but it can be a terrible waste of leather too
I know I am going to be working bloody hard in the next few years while all this shakes out and that is ok...my only child is about to head off to college and I am not otherwise burdened...and I like flying...and I think it's gonna be worth it.
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4HP,
I would think that you, as a moderator, should have a bit more integrity than to post an untruth. I am not nor have I ever been Crinklestein. Nor am I one of Ed's cronies. Nor do I post under any other name or number or moniker or alter ego. Please endevour to get your "facts" straight as readers (myself included until reading your previous post) tend to treat your postings as being from someone who may be somewhat more enlightened than us average posters/lurkers.
Bigus
I would think that you, as a moderator, should have a bit more integrity than to post an untruth. I am not nor have I ever been Crinklestein. Nor am I one of Ed's cronies. Nor do I post under any other name or number or moniker or alter ego. Please endevour to get your "facts" straight as readers (myself included until reading your previous post) tend to treat your postings as being from someone who may be somewhat more enlightened than us average posters/lurkers.
Bigus
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bigus - Pretty rich - we've had many multiple personalities on this forum and you fit the profile - exactly the same IP address, registered in the same month as the other personality, blowing the same smoke, taking management's POV, denial. Maybe you just use the same PC.
Integrity. You decide.
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Integrity. You decide.
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bigus - Pretty rich - we've had many multiple personalities on this forum and you fit the profile - exactly the same IP address, registered in the same month as the other personality, blowing the same smoke, taking management's POV, denial. Maybe you just use the same PC.
Integrity. You decide.
4HP
Four Hole, You are doing it again. You outed Tarten Guy, now possible outing another positive poster. I hope you are doing the very same and checking the IP addresses of all the negative guys here too. Is that your ethical nature as the moderator? Say something you don't agree with and off you go checking to find out who might the poster be. Perhpas that is why you don't see a more positive outlook about EK on this thread..the moderator will check to see who you might be and drop just enough hints, to identify you. True you didn't say exactly who "Tarten Guy" was, but just enough info for any idiot to figure it out. Why not identify yourself for those at your airline.
There are reasons why forums around the world on a host of subjects have unknown posters. I have never seen a moderator (maybe others), but never a moderator go background on a poster. Just not ethical, mate.
Back to lurking for the next few months.
IXNAT
Integrity. You decide.
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Four Hole, You are doing it again. You outed Tarten Guy, now possible outing another positive poster. I hope you are doing the very same and checking the IP addresses of all the negative guys here too. Is that your ethical nature as the moderator? Say something you don't agree with and off you go checking to find out who might the poster be. Perhpas that is why you don't see a more positive outlook about EK on this thread..the moderator will check to see who you might be and drop just enough hints, to identify you. True you didn't say exactly who "Tarten Guy" was, but just enough info for any idiot to figure it out. Why not identify yourself for those at your airline.
There are reasons why forums around the world on a host of subjects have unknown posters. I have never seen a moderator (maybe others), but never a moderator go background on a poster. Just not ethical, mate.
Back to lurking for the next few months.
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I disagree with you Ixnat.
Actually 4HP did this forum a great service with regards to Capt America. It was completely ethical what 4HP did and I happen to believe it was gutsy.
I have to question why someone would post supporting viewpoints under 2 different names. That is more likely to be unethical and is at the very least deceptive.
Ixnat if you were around during BM's absurd postings, then you would have to agree that it was a necessity to expose it. Posting under pseudonyms to a forum does not give someone the right to deceive people.
These forums are useful tools for individuals making life changing decisions. I don't always agree with the negatives or the positives on this forum either. When an individual feels it is advantageous to utilize 2 different names, then I imagine that person feels the need to support himself because he realizes his viewpoints might not otherwise be taken seriously.
The whole Capt America episode was one of the most amusing times on this forum. Yes it was a little disturbing to realize someone could sink to that level, but I for one am glad that he was exposed. In all likelihood this precluded him from further deceptions.
As far as it happening to be 'positive' posts is probably an indication of exactly what is wrong with EK. And I say this as a relatively happy guy here. There are issues here at EK that threaten to bring down this airline and this is the only means by which people can express their concerns. Postings made under separate ID's (positive or negative posters included) invalidate what otherwise might have been an honest point of view, and I for one hope 4HP keeps up the good work.
Actually 4HP did this forum a great service with regards to Capt America. It was completely ethical what 4HP did and I happen to believe it was gutsy.
I have to question why someone would post supporting viewpoints under 2 different names. That is more likely to be unethical and is at the very least deceptive.
Ixnat if you were around during BM's absurd postings, then you would have to agree that it was a necessity to expose it. Posting under pseudonyms to a forum does not give someone the right to deceive people.
These forums are useful tools for individuals making life changing decisions. I don't always agree with the negatives or the positives on this forum either. When an individual feels it is advantageous to utilize 2 different names, then I imagine that person feels the need to support himself because he realizes his viewpoints might not otherwise be taken seriously.
The whole Capt America episode was one of the most amusing times on this forum. Yes it was a little disturbing to realize someone could sink to that level, but I for one am glad that he was exposed. In all likelihood this precluded him from further deceptions.
As far as it happening to be 'positive' posts is probably an indication of exactly what is wrong with EK. And I say this as a relatively happy guy here. There are issues here at EK that threaten to bring down this airline and this is the only means by which people can express their concerns. Postings made under separate ID's (positive or negative posters included) invalidate what otherwise might have been an honest point of view, and I for one hope 4HP keeps up the good work.
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Mensa,
Thanks for a civil discourse and not flamming. I am not saying what your Capt. America, aka, Tartan Guy, aka whomever was correct in what he did. I think you understand that. These forums , as well as political forums, forums on cooking, whatever, IMHO, are places where people can go and spout off in any form or manner. When a moderator "outs' someone, then the whole purpose of annoymous posts go out the window. These forums become null and void for opposing opinions. How do we know that "Fart Master" and "Farty Flaps" aren't the same guy. 4hole hasn't outed them or indicated that they might be the same guy.
I am not saying what Tarten Guy did was right or wrong. I have some problems with it too, to comment in the third person on ones self. But again, in my opinion a moderator's position is to keep the discourse civil and on track, not to identify in any form or fashion who a poster might be or not be. If your CEO decides he has the time, energy and inclination to add his comments to your forums, then so be it. Now that would be interesting.
Good civil discourse, as you have done, mensa, is the whole reason for forums. But "fear" of identification will shut down the discourse (id by the moderator). Don't you want to hear what the kool-aid drinkers have to say. If one only hear one side of the story, one might just be wrong.
Ok, I have broken my own rule by not staying lurking. But just my humble opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.........
IXNAT
Thanks for a civil discourse and not flamming. I am not saying what your Capt. America, aka, Tartan Guy, aka whomever was correct in what he did. I think you understand that. These forums , as well as political forums, forums on cooking, whatever, IMHO, are places where people can go and spout off in any form or manner. When a moderator "outs' someone, then the whole purpose of annoymous posts go out the window. These forums become null and void for opposing opinions. How do we know that "Fart Master" and "Farty Flaps" aren't the same guy. 4hole hasn't outed them or indicated that they might be the same guy.
I am not saying what Tarten Guy did was right or wrong. I have some problems with it too, to comment in the third person on ones self. But again, in my opinion a moderator's position is to keep the discourse civil and on track, not to identify in any form or fashion who a poster might be or not be. If your CEO decides he has the time, energy and inclination to add his comments to your forums, then so be it. Now that would be interesting.
Good civil discourse, as you have done, mensa, is the whole reason for forums. But "fear" of identification will shut down the discourse (id by the moderator). Don't you want to hear what the kool-aid drinkers have to say. If one only hear one side of the story, one might just be wrong.
Ok, I have broken my own rule by not staying lurking. But just my humble opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.........
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To Mr. 4HP
"Your perception is astute - let me make a small announcement that you have alluded to - Crinklstein & bigusdicus are the same guy - remind you of someone else we haven't heard from recently? Nope it's not the tartanguy (unless he's using a new IP address) but he's displaying the same ethos."
4HP
Mr. 4HP I think you need to check your facts as they are a little pear-shaped. Way off the mark there sir!
Please stop this off-the-topic attempt at trying to resolve this issue in your favor. The IP address for both of your user-names is identical - that is sufficient evidence to me that you are attempting to mislead the members by using different user-names in an effort to support a point-of-view. Considering the unusual stance that both of your user-names had adopted, I made an announcement to the members that it was obvious to me that you had assumed a dual personality in an effort to propagate an opinion - something that one of the other members had already suspected. I did not identify you, as some of your bleeding-heart proponents have intimated, I merely indicated that two user-names were posting from the same address. If you have an explanation as to the coincidental IP address's please feel free to email or PM such evidence to either myself or to [email protected] In the event that you are (somehow) able to explain this coincidental IP address for two user names, both with the same opinions, I would be more than happy to apologize in full and put this whole sorry affair to rest. 4HP
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Mr. 4HP I think you need to check your facts as they are a little pear-shaped. Way off the mark there sir!
Please stop this off-the-topic attempt at trying to resolve this issue in your favor. The IP address for both of your user-names is identical - that is sufficient evidence to me that you are attempting to mislead the members by using different user-names in an effort to support a point-of-view. Considering the unusual stance that both of your user-names had adopted, I made an announcement to the members that it was obvious to me that you had assumed a dual personality in an effort to propagate an opinion - something that one of the other members had already suspected. I did not identify you, as some of your bleeding-heart proponents have intimated, I merely indicated that two user-names were posting from the same address. If you have an explanation as to the coincidental IP address's please feel free to email or PM such evidence to either myself or to [email protected] In the event that you are (somehow) able to explain this coincidental IP address for two user names, both with the same opinions, I would be more than happy to apologize in full and put this whole sorry affair to rest. 4HP
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Right, let me put this thing to rest now - I've done some research & I do believe that Crinklstein may be able to share an identical IP address with bigusdicus whilst not being the same person. I thus unreservedly apologize for any intimation that I made in insinuating that they were definitely one & the same person, thereby bringing disrepute and suspicion on their points-of-view.
I will continue, in the interim, to moderate in a manner which (I hope) ensures fair views are ensured and that people who seek to misuse this forum are prevented from misleading the members.
On reflection I have obviously, in this event, misused my facility as a moderator. I'll crawl back into my hole and ponder why I got myself into such a position in the first place.
I'd be delighted to relinquish my position as moderator & go back to the line - if there's someone out there who wants the job, drop me a line & I'll be happy to make the recommendation to the towers that be.
To Crinklstein & bigusdicus - I'm sorry, I'm not sure, but I think I screwed up.
4HP
Now can we get back to the topic please?
I will continue, in the interim, to moderate in a manner which (I hope) ensures fair views are ensured and that people who seek to misuse this forum are prevented from misleading the members.
On reflection I have obviously, in this event, misused my facility as a moderator. I'll crawl back into my hole and ponder why I got myself into such a position in the first place.
I'd be delighted to relinquish my position as moderator & go back to the line - if there's someone out there who wants the job, drop me a line & I'll be happy to make the recommendation to the towers that be.
To Crinklstein & bigusdicus - I'm sorry, I'm not sure, but I think I screwed up.
4HP
Now can we get back to the topic please?
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4HolerPoler:
Please do not change a thing.
I admire the way you subtly exposed "Captain America" Brian and his bull**** schizophrenic double personality and truly appreciated your continued vigilance in weeding out these pathetic EK "management" types who figure they can artificially influence this forum (as they know it is THE most read forum when it comes to info about Emirates) in an attempt to discredit the continued discontent being experienced by THE MAJORITY of the Emirates pilot community.
Whether these two "personalities" are one and the same is irrelevant (if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck; it's a duck). He/she/they are just too much over the top to be believable; your instincts are correct.
Please do not change a thing.
I admire the way you subtly exposed "Captain America" Brian and his bull**** schizophrenic double personality and truly appreciated your continued vigilance in weeding out these pathetic EK "management" types who figure they can artificially influence this forum (as they know it is THE most read forum when it comes to info about Emirates) in an attempt to discredit the continued discontent being experienced by THE MAJORITY of the Emirates pilot community.
Whether these two "personalities" are one and the same is irrelevant (if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck; it's a duck). He/she/they are just too much over the top to be believable; your instincts are correct.
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4HP, you are doing a great job! Donīt give it up! Everybody is making sometimes some mistakes, but even then... I like your style!
Keep it up, dude!
OK, enough sleezy words...letīs get back to the topic, shall we?
Keep it up, dude!
OK, enough sleezy words...letīs get back to the topic, shall we?
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Thank you for clearing up the confusion sir. Takes a good man to admit when he's 'left the paved surface'.
I think you do a great job - so hang in there! I agree - back to the topic!
Thank you for clearing up the confusion sir. Takes a good man to admit when he's 'left the paved surface'.
I think you do a great job - so hang in there! I agree - back to the topic!