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What Brian has done is the equivalent of a "developing country" pilot coming from a failing airline, arriving in the US, jumping past ALL your First Officers and get paid more than a Captain who has been in the company 7 years.
Of course he is pharking happy, who wouldn't be, I just wish he would have the good grace not to shove our faces in it.
Question is, what would you think of said "developing country" pilot?
Of course he is pharking happy, who wouldn't be, I just wish he would have the good grace not to shove our faces in it.
Question is, what would you think of said "developing country" pilot?
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Most of us were happy when we came too. The reason that we are not now is that we are working harder now for less money than when we arrived and our only choice is to accept it or leave. Nobody particularly likes either of those options, although more and more are choosing the latter.
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I wonder if Brian would go join the new Dragon 744 Cargo as a DEC with an IFALPA ban on the job? I wonder if those slating him on this thread would go take the Dragon 744 DEC position if it was offered to them?
Unfortunately we can't get an IFALPA ban on EK DEC jobs. Wouldn't it be interesting if we could? And would it make the slightest bit of difference?
mmmmm.....just a thought......
CTOAN
Unfortunately we can't get an IFALPA ban on EK DEC jobs. Wouldn't it be interesting if we could? And would it make the slightest bit of difference?
mmmmm.....just a thought......
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Hey Tarten
must have seen you at CBC an hour ago....havent you had enough
I see.
just checked out the latest on this thread and you have to admit you are not able to save this baby..........
You are on fire...you have lost three of the four engines and there is only one option for you and your mate trainer Brian
bail out now while you can still save yourselves or go down and take your chances with a ditching.......either way you are f
ed
good luck
TR
must have seen you at CBC an hour ago....havent you had enough
I see.
just checked out the latest on this thread and you have to admit you are not able to save this baby..........
You are on fire...you have lost three of the four engines and there is only one option for you and your mate trainer Brian bail out now while you can still save yourselves or go down and take your chances with a ditching.......either way you are f
edgood luck
TR
Occurrs to me that Tartan guy might have a hidden agenda.
He seems very keen to keep this thread at the top of the page and he achieves it by defending the indefensible in the face of a fair amount of (not all) objective criticism about said gentleman.
By flying in the face of popular opinion he attracts increasingly adverse comment about his supposed friend and mentor.
I think he has a grudge against brian and is getting some satisfaction from seeing him pilloried on this forum.
Can't think of any other reason for someone to put themselves up for so many shooting downs. Or is it just sheer stupidity?
He seems very keen to keep this thread at the top of the page and he achieves it by defending the indefensible in the face of a fair amount of (not all) objective criticism about said gentleman.
By flying in the face of popular opinion he attracts increasingly adverse comment about his supposed friend and mentor.
I think he has a grudge against brian and is getting some satisfaction from seeing him pilloried on this forum.
Can't think of any other reason for someone to put themselves up for so many shooting downs. Or is it just sheer stupidity?
or just sheer stupidity 
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Cheers Tartan Guy,
I am going to try and respond to several of your posts.
I am starting to question some of what you are saying. You were one of BM’s last students at Usair, yet you are waiting for your upgrade at EK. Is that correct? When did you join and on what fleet because your length of time here has a HUGE impact on your opinion. Regardless of you time here you can not dispute this fact: EMIRATES DISCRIMINATES AGAINST FIRST OFFICERS! If you do not believe me just try and get your children in J class as a F/O. There is another thread on this very subject. Brian never said pilots are treated like VP’s, he said “captains are treated like VP’s”. Brian is just as discriminatory as management, even worse because he jumped over hundreds of First Officer who are being discriminated against to get his great job at their expense. And then he rubbed it into their faces by coming out and saying it in the article. I am sure that as a former Usair pilot you will agree that you fellows would never have allowed direct entry captains in the door.
Everything he says in the article is NOT true. At most of the hotels only the captain stays on the concierge floor, gets free use of the lounge, gets free internet access, and gets more allowance on EVERY overnight. The rest of the crew is discriminated against!
I seem to remember some time back a tartan guy was asking about keeping a boat in Dubai. Was that you? That was about the same time that BM came here. I have flown with BM a couple of times since he arrived at EK. Nice enough chap though full of his own self worth if you understand my meaning. I remember he had a boat as well. Do you know the make and length? I do! If I were you I would never post on this thread again because you have lost all credibility and you will be shocked at the speed of the truth if you are not careful. You seem to know an amazing lot about BM. I wonder how that is so. My best mate from flight school is here. We flew with the last company together as well. I do not know half about him as you do about BM. I am sure that he is helping get the facts correct. Unfortunately, it is all based on a HUGE lie.
You have been warned
lastlaugh
whossorrynow,
There is one more obvious reason that you have not thought of because it is so outlandish! Keep trying and you will come up with it!
I am going to try and respond to several of your posts.
I am starting to question some of what you are saying. You were one of BM’s last students at Usair, yet you are waiting for your upgrade at EK. Is that correct? When did you join and on what fleet because your length of time here has a HUGE impact on your opinion. Regardless of you time here you can not dispute this fact: EMIRATES DISCRIMINATES AGAINST FIRST OFFICERS! If you do not believe me just try and get your children in J class as a F/O. There is another thread on this very subject. Brian never said pilots are treated like VP’s, he said “captains are treated like VP’s”. Brian is just as discriminatory as management, even worse because he jumped over hundreds of First Officer who are being discriminated against to get his great job at their expense. And then he rubbed it into their faces by coming out and saying it in the article. I am sure that as a former Usair pilot you will agree that you fellows would never have allowed direct entry captains in the door.
Everything he says in the article is NOT true. At most of the hotels only the captain stays on the concierge floor, gets free use of the lounge, gets free internet access, and gets more allowance on EVERY overnight. The rest of the crew is discriminated against!
I seem to remember some time back a tartan guy was asking about keeping a boat in Dubai. Was that you? That was about the same time that BM came here. I have flown with BM a couple of times since he arrived at EK. Nice enough chap though full of his own self worth if you understand my meaning. I remember he had a boat as well. Do you know the make and length? I do! If I were you I would never post on this thread again because you have lost all credibility and you will be shocked at the speed of the truth if you are not careful. You seem to know an amazing lot about BM. I wonder how that is so. My best mate from flight school is here. We flew with the last company together as well. I do not know half about him as you do about BM. I am sure that he is helping get the facts correct. Unfortunately, it is all based on a HUGE lie.
You have been warned
lastlaugh
whossorrynow,
There is one more obvious reason that you have not thought of because it is so outlandish! Keep trying and you will come up with it!
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lastlaugh - you're really living up to your name!
Gentlemen, as a mod I'm obliged to protect the sanctity of individuals identities and I couldn't just post one of your registered emails publicly on this site. But lastlaugh's post got me thinking & I had a gander at who Tartan guy really is & "Oh my goodness, we have a celebrity amongst us!"
Remember the warning at the bottom of the page - As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous , to elicit certain reactions.
I'm sitting here giggling at the incredulousness of it. What an absolute beauty!
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Gentlemen, as a mod I'm obliged to protect the sanctity of individuals identities and I couldn't just post one of your registered emails publicly on this site. But lastlaugh's post got me thinking & I had a gander at who Tartan guy really is & "Oh my goodness, we have a celebrity amongst us!"
Remember the warning at the bottom of the page - As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous
, to elicit certain reactions.I'm sitting here giggling at the incredulousness of it. What an absolute beauty!
4HP
lastlaugh
Well sure, they might be the same person.
He wouldn't be the first DEC to pose as an F/O ( yes, I mean you jack) and post about how lovely the DECs really are.
And looking at his most recent post he's finally got the mood of the forum.
Long time coming. But might not last long.
Just seen 4hps post and I must be wrong 'cos BM and Tg being the same person isn't that funny.
Well sure, they might be the same person.
He wouldn't be the first DEC to pose as an F/O ( yes, I mean you jack) and post about how lovely the DECs really are.
And looking at his most recent post he's finally got the mood of the forum.
Long time coming. But might not last long.
Just seen 4hps post and I must be wrong 'cos BM and Tg being the same person isn't that funny.
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Surely Tartan guy & BM are not one & the same? If so Tartan guy's post on the 8th May at 16.28 is quite sickening. Not a regular follower of PPrune, but I must admit that this thread is rivetting! What was BM thinking?!!!!! Actually feel rather sorry for the old git! 
Right must get off the computer & do something constructive!! 
Right must get off the computer & do something constructive!!
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To whossorrynow?
What do you mean when you state "the system is close to breaking" I really do not understand?
I worked in emirates back in 1995 as a flight attendant, and believe me, nothing, nothing is new. none of the complaints, none of the moaning it all went on then!! I look from time to time at this website and am amazed at how nothing has changed!
Funny thing is the "system" never collapses....is it funded by the sheikhs money indefinitley? I dontl know!!!
Morale at EK was always low......i guess we understood all along that we were just commodities, easily replaced, even thouth we used to always arugue amonst ourselves in the galley "but surely the cost of recruitment and training of each new crew memeber will ruin them" but no, they understood that fresh meat was always legal tender. Both cabin crew members and flight deck when new and ethusiasitic were very popular, but somewhow the rot would ususally set in. Its hard to explain, and I do understant this MUrray guys attiude given what he's been through, but yes, in dxb, they can make you feel like a king one minute, and bring you down so fast its not funny the next, i've seen it done to many a crew member both cabin crew and flight deck.
To the Brian Murrays of this world, enjoy it while you can. I do agree 10 years ago this wouldnt have happened, 10 years ago, we didnt have any american pilots or cabin crew actually, a few canadian, the rest from eveywhere else!
I must say i always get a kick when I go to this site from time to time, cos it reminds me of how little ever changed with EK!
I worked in emirates back in 1995 as a flight attendant, and believe me, nothing, nothing is new. none of the complaints, none of the moaning it all went on then!! I look from time to time at this website and am amazed at how nothing has changed!
Funny thing is the "system" never collapses....is it funded by the sheikhs money indefinitley? I dontl know!!!
Morale at EK was always low......i guess we understood all along that we were just commodities, easily replaced, even thouth we used to always arugue amonst ourselves in the galley "but surely the cost of recruitment and training of each new crew memeber will ruin them" but no, they understood that fresh meat was always legal tender. Both cabin crew members and flight deck when new and ethusiasitic were very popular, but somewhow the rot would ususally set in. Its hard to explain, and I do understant this MUrray guys attiude given what he's been through, but yes, in dxb, they can make you feel like a king one minute, and bring you down so fast its not funny the next, i've seen it done to many a crew member both cabin crew and flight deck.
To the Brian Murrays of this world, enjoy it while you can. I do agree 10 years ago this wouldnt have happened, 10 years ago, we didnt have any american pilots or cabin crew actually, a few canadian, the rest from eveywhere else!
I must say i always get a kick when I go to this site from time to time, cos it reminds me of how little ever changed with EK!
To mooguy
The system is close to breaking because fairly soon they might not have enough guys & gals to man the aeroplanes.
This is a product of people leaving faster than they can be replaced. This has not happened before, not even in 1995.
This is a product of people leaving faster than they can be replaced. This has not happened before, not even in 1995.
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Murray aka Tartan aka TCM look yourself in the mirror, how can you go to work after all this BS? Nobody takes you serious anymore, actually now I feel a bit sorry for you, hope you learned that backstabbing doesn't pay off.
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Sorry...me again!!! Have a look at Tartan guy's post on the 26th March 2006 @ 19.20, on a different thread. Tartan guy mentions the concierge floor, 4 & 5 star hotels, and being driven home!!! This post was a MONTH before BM's article appeared in the WSJ!! Coincidence or .......? Your call! If they are the same guy his actions are unforgivable. Please prove me wrong! 
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"Oh my goodness, we have a celebrity amongst us!"
Okay just PM me then...
Is it Brad Pitt? How are the rest of us gonna compete if Brad Pitt is here???
Had crossed my mind before that brian and tartan might be one and the same (yeah, yeah, I know).
But had discarded the idea for several reasons including:
The obviousness of it.
Anybody with any sense would have left the thread alone to die, and without tartans help it would have died long ago.
The personal details revealed. Very bad form, outside the US anyway.
But the evidence suggests that BM is Tg.
Would that he isn't.
But had discarded the idea for several reasons including:
The obviousness of it.
Anybody with any sense would have left the thread alone to die, and without tartans help it would have died long ago.
The personal details revealed. Very bad form, outside the US anyway.
But the evidence suggests that BM is Tg.
Would that he isn't.