Wall Street Journal on Expat Pilots (including EK)

[Alphaprot]

A330guy, I see your point and even agree with you to a certain amount.
But, in fairness 4HP did not disclose TG's actual identity, even if he did say that we have a celebrity in our midst.
We still have no actual proof positive who TG is, just a fairly good idea.
Could 4HP have been even more discreet, yes. Am I glad he identified that things were not all they seemed, hell yes.

[specialrider987]

Well, I have just caught up with this thread...

The conclusion of this is extraordinary. Thanks for all the effort 4HP and fellow EK dudes.

Wowzer...

I am... speechless. Mrs. Murray's little boy needs to visit the Doc I'm afraid...

Gentlemen, don't forget the bid function: Avoid fly with xxxxxx

[montencee]

Originally Posted by specialrider987

Gentlemen, don't forget the bid function: Avoid fly with xxxxxx

Bringing this back to the top of the page for emphasis.

BM is currently in training to be a TRI (in progress as I write, in fact).

Any Captain getting a high number of this bid function will be called into the office for tea and biccies.

Need I say more.

[Alphaprot]

Any Captain getting a high number of this bid function will be called into the office for tea and biccies

Unless of course you have done some sterling work to advertise the company
Still its a good option.

[IXNAT]

Well, really disappointed in you 4HP. Whatever, or whomever TG is should have no bearing on what a moderator does on these sites What was gained by a hint of identification of a poster my a moderator? For someone else, no problem. In my opinion, it was highly unethical for a moderator to even hint at who TG was. In my opinion, you should have PM'd him and do whatever moderators do. Perhaps you did do that. But if there is the hint of impropiety (i need a spell check) by the moderators, or the possibility that individuals be identified by the moderators, posting will come to a close, maybe. You chastised me for using the sc*b word, and I agreed. I have thought most of your posts as a moderator were well intentioned, but by doing what you did, in my opinion, you violated the secret moderator code of conduct. The rules of engagement are now changed by the possiblity of moderators hinting at who the ids are of posters.
Regards,
IXNAT

[6853]

Well done 4HP. Yes I know it may be unethical but how unethical and cowardly is it to pretend to be someone else and post under disguise, especially when you are doing so much damage to an already unpleasant situation. We dont need people like the person under question around, let alone in our training department! As a pilot group we have had and always will have a lot of "enemies", we dont need people amongst ourselves to help sell us out, especially when they are doing it so obviously to promote their own interests. Ambition is one thing and a healthy thing but not at the expense of your colleagues, a seemingly subtle difference that so often gets missed or ignored in our game. And, no, I am not another bitter and twisted individual. Been in the company for twelve years but also disappointed at the way things have changed so radically in the last three or so years. I have also learnt that it wont help to moan and that things will only change when they absolutely have to and we are obviously not at that stage yet?

[Snake man]

Well done, 4HP. You get my vote for doing the right thing. Expressing one's views whilst remaining anonymous is one thing, shameless self-promotion while posing as a third party is simply called deceitful, and deserves to be exposed.
I hope that anyone reading the articles which this man wrote for the newspapers will consider the character of the author when judging the substance of his articles, and draw the very obvious conclusions.

SM.

[uplock]

VOTE 1 4HP

Well done 4HP, got my vote for a job well done You sure B.M. hasn't slipped around to IXNAT home and is using his log in and key board...


"Nothing Hurts like the truth" or was it "Truth is stranger than fiction"

[4HolerPoler]

Well, I'd like to tender my sincere apologies to those that I have offended. No doubt about it, I over-stepped my remit as a moderator. I exposed someone that I quite clearly saw was being deceitful; someone who had already done his peers a disservice. My duty as an impartial moderator is to treat all members of this site as equals; I'm expected to provide the same tolerance to the dishonest as I am to the regular, honest guys. Well, something in me popped with this slimeball & I crossed the line. All I can say is; I'm sorry. Regretful? I don't think so. Would I do it again? I don't know; depends on the circumstances. In such, I expose my weakness as a human - I have emotions and one of those is integrity.

Please feel free to express your outrage regarding my actions by sending your email to [email protected] - I thoroughly enjoy this task but I question my ability to be completely impartial to the scumbags of this planet and in such am probably not the right guy for this position.

Once again, I'm sorry. But not half as sorry as our Tartan friend.

4HP

[145qrh]

4 HP, as honest a post as I have ever read on PPrune....

Dont even think about resigning, there is enough of that in the ME at the moment......

As for the Tartan one, with a neck made of solid brass I would be surprised if he gave another thought..

Would love to be fly on the wall when EK management realise what has gone on,,,employing someone as a trainer with split personality....oops on second thoughts.......

[Fugazi]

4 HP. Your last post shows your integrity, and that you are the right man for the job. The same cannot be said of that lowlife, BM.

[turtleneck]

it might be in contradiction to pprune rules - but it had to be done. right so 4HP.
creatures like tg should be banned not only from a pprune, but just as much from any serious cockpit.
i will avoid him for the simple reason that split personality is outright dangerous in a crew cooperation - and because he's simply despiceable.
ttn

[Muttley Crew]

Actually, 4HP, integrity is a characteristic, not an emotion. Not necessarily prevalent in your average airline pilot, either.

HOWEVER… I think the point is regarding Tartan Guy, how stupid do you have to be to register under your own email address if you’re gonna play silly buggers on pprune, like this guy has done??

(Damn… which one did I register under… wish I could remember)

PS Regarding your integrity, 4HP, thanks for giving me a little leeway.

[A330guy]

Thanks 4 HP. You do a fine job! Please don't quit on us.

[max AB]

Group Hug...

[4HolerPoler]

I'm fine, don't shed a tear for me. No intention of going anywhere; my point was that if some of the members were unhappy with my transgression that they should write to the boss.

Now, please, back to the topic. Or is it time to close this thread?

4HP

[whossorrynow]

Contrary to my thoughts yesterday I reckon there's still a bit of mileage here.

Not least in examining the conduct of some of his USair brethren over the last few days. As a tight group they must have known that BM has been posting for several months as Tartan guy pretending to be an EK F/O. Yet as recently as the 6th May the following text from post #42 (at the moment) was written in support of BMs abilities as a Training Captain.

Originally Posted by typhoonpilot

You may be pleasantly surprised if you ever do find yourself in the situation though.

TP

The only pleasantly surprising situation I would like to find myself in is to see PBMjrs name on the RG list on the portal (thats if the RG list was still there).

Having said that, there might be a certain curiosity value to having the old fella around.

But as a TRI?

How about F/O.

[millerscourt]

I am surprised that that old timer [B]411A has not expressed an opinion about a fellow American, especially in view of his hostility to every US Mainline Airline or perhaps he is still asleep in his rocking chair down in deepest Arizona?

4HP The future is no longer blue but silver Keep up the good work.

As an outsider I have read these posts with great amusement until BM's personal life was brought into the equation as if to make everyone feel guilty about the ribbing he was rightfully getting.

[Outta Heresoon]

4HP Job well done...Still. "Discretion is the better part of valour" and you have excorcised that. It seems there is a consensus of those deeming BM's approach to his viewpoints offensive. Firstly by publicly overstating the facts of employment with EK (no one has ever questioned the fact that there are some that are happy here) followed by blatent misrepresentations of the interpretations of the T&C's of employment. Truly a manager in the making. The only difference is BM is willing to put his viewpoint in print (EK managemennt has in the past several months demonstrated a profound ineptitude to follow the task at hand..."MANAGE!!" ).

I would also like to add to ED if you are reading this (or any of his cronies please pass this along) That Quoting "with reference" from the FOM in a FCI or pilot wide memo is a highly disrespectful and insulting way of communicating with your "fellow" aircrew. As professionals we are duly aware of our responsibilities as published in the FOM, and aside from the unrealistic number of changes that we are to keep up with, If you choose to approach it in this manner you demonstatively are out of touch with the human and proffessional nature of the crew you have working for you. Bravo... yet another stellar management icon to steer us through the company's most influential times.

I am one not to see things as dismal as they may appear to some, but due to middle management's ineptitude (or perhaps it is an underlying directive from UPPER MANAGEMENT) I have lost confidence in Management''s ability to effectively deal with the situation (expansion) presenting itself without compromising somewhere (usualy as safety issues as history will tell).

Stay tuned for yet as "un-announced" changes to the upgrade/hiring policy's change as a result of management's patheticly dismal interperatations of the current industry situation.

ED I hope you are able to overcome the obstacle immediately above you to bring this department the repute it deserves, but PLEASE treat us with respect as fellow proffesional aviators!
Vivendi Vivendi VivendI... Open your ******* eyes and stop seeing things through rose coloured glasses. In the current scheme of things a few million dollars spent establishing a solid foundation are worth tenfold on the final product you will deliver to your peers in the years to come.

Let us all prosper.

[LimeyLHR]

Ed

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=72490

Here is what pilots in the U.S. thought of Ed. Mesaba (NW Airlink) was the previous airline he worked for.