EK O/Seas Bases.
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EK O/Seas Bases.
Just heard on good authority EK are becoming so desperate to attract DEC's O/Seas bases are being mentioned during the selection process.However, what is said and what actually happens.....caution rqd me thinks....
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Ek are so disorganised they can't even tell you where you will live when you arrive. The can not tell a copilot to the nearest year despite knowing the aircraft orders when he will get an upgrade.
They may indeed offer basings in the very very distant future, but if you join now even as a DEC you will never have the seniority to get one.
If you dont want to live in Dubai, don't join or quit, If you'r there already; 60 last year and apparently 30 already this year can't be wong.
The place was great until the Arabs got their hands on flight ops, now it is disorganised shower of **** and getting worse by the minute by all accounts.
As they say in the Middle East, Make War not Love and if it Aint F***k*d yet rape it until it is !
Anyway off to work ! and feeling quite chipper about it.
They may indeed offer basings in the very very distant future, but if you join now even as a DEC you will never have the seniority to get one.
If you dont want to live in Dubai, don't join or quit, If you'r there already; 60 last year and apparently 30 already this year can't be wong.
The place was great until the Arabs got their hands on flight ops, now it is disorganised shower of **** and getting worse by the minute by all accounts.
As they say in the Middle East, Make War not Love and if it Aint F***k*d yet rape it until it is !
Anyway off to work ! and feeling quite chipper about it.
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I think you are slightly confused. If basings are offered, they wont be offered to anyone in the company, it will be to new joiners.
Think of the logic. The problem they have at the moment is that they can't attract the appropriate (DEC) people to the company. If they give us a basing, that isn't going to help their cause one bit. If on the other hand they offer basings to DEC's as Singapore have done in the past, they will be inundated with applications.
The end result will be that the existing crew will be even more p*ssed off. And i can assure you that the management could not care less about how pissed off the existing staff are. After all they are already here. A bit like the grade 1-8 that have just been shafted with housing allowance.
I would bet a months salary that none of us will ever see a basing.
Think of the logic. The problem they have at the moment is that they can't attract the appropriate (DEC) people to the company. If they give us a basing, that isn't going to help their cause one bit. If on the other hand they offer basings to DEC's as Singapore have done in the past, they will be inundated with applications.
The end result will be that the existing crew will be even more p*ssed off. And i can assure you that the management could not care less about how pissed off the existing staff are. After all they are already here. A bit like the grade 1-8 that have just been shafted with housing allowance.
I would bet a months salary that none of us will ever see a basing.
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Overseas bases for joiners??? If they really want to park aircraft somewhere in the desert (won't be DXB since no space for that), that's exactly what they should do. I for one would resign straight away...
On a more positive (?) note, I don't think it will ever happen. These Arabs are so greedy that they want you to spend your hard earned cash in Dubai, so as long as they think that way, it's probably better to give a payrise, which will eventually end up in their own pockets again anyhow, then to ship their money out of the country. Also legal issues come to mind, what about social security etc for a Europe based Captain with a contract signed in Europe? What about certain employee rights civilised countries have, things they never heard about in the UAE? I don't think they would ever go that way... Best they probably will do is a shared roster/appartment as proposed a few months ago on te yahoo groups by one of out colleagues, enabling guys to commute.
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On a more positive (?) note, I don't think it will ever happen. These Arabs are so greedy that they want you to spend your hard earned cash in Dubai, so as long as they think that way, it's probably better to give a payrise, which will eventually end up in their own pockets again anyhow, then to ship their money out of the country. Also legal issues come to mind, what about social security etc for a Europe based Captain with a contract signed in Europe? What about certain employee rights civilised countries have, things they never heard about in the UAE? I don't think they would ever go that way... Best they probably will do is a shared roster/appartment as proposed a few months ago on te yahoo groups by one of out colleagues, enabling guys to commute.
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I heard only F/os ,including new joiners, will get bases and will be required to come back to Dubai for a command, Captains may be elegible for basings after 10 years service as a captain.
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It's simple , N reg a bunch of 777's and base them out of JFK and call them (pilots) Atlas . There is your o/s basings. Have you not seen the increase over the years of 74's added to our OC.I dont like it but its not our train set is it.
From a very high level.
The F/os will have to give up accommodation in DXB and stay in base, on gaining a command they will get company accomodation or they can remain in base as an F/O.
The Captains become more of a problem so initially they will be limited by time in the company .
At least if it doesnt work the older guys will retire and the f/os can be recalled at there command.
The F/os will have to give up accommodation in DXB and stay in base, on gaining a command they will get company accomodation or they can remain in base as an F/O.
The Captains become more of a problem so initially they will be limited by time in the company .
At least if it doesnt work the older guys will retire and the f/os can be recalled at there command.
Only believe it when i happens dude. Lots of stuff comes from high level sources, unfortunately most turns out to be merde.
Also those based overseas will be able join unions and bargain collectively??? Lets not forget its a right in the civilised world.
Lots of rumours buzzin around at the mo, not much fact tho.
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Also those based overseas will be able join unions and bargain collectively??? Lets not forget its a right in the civilised world.
Lots of rumours buzzin around at the mo, not much fact tho.
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Interesting thread; I wonder what the "high level" is scoot?
Whilst fully supporting the concept of seniority I would imagine the right of abode in the "base" country would be up to the individual to establish and seniority would apply amongst those eligible.
Whilst fully supporting the concept of seniority I would imagine the right of abode in the "base" country would be up to the individual to establish and seniority would apply amongst those eligible.
Apparently Full passport for the country must be held for EK approval.
Yes this is only on the drawing board and if it happens will start off small.
Any problems outside would ,unions etc ,would be at the expense of losing all bases so how bad do you want them. Calculated risk.
Yes this is only on the drawing board and if it happens will start off small.
Any problems outside would ,unions etc ,would be at the expense of losing all bases so how bad do you want them. Calculated risk.
Not sure if unions are a concern for OS bases.
Could they offer, in Oz for example, individual contracts where they include a caviat on union membership?
Any thoughts?
halas
Could they offer, in Oz for example, individual contracts where they include a caviat on union membership?
Any thoughts?
halas
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Won’t be easy though. The world starts smelling what comes out under the dishdashs, not only those who came to work here. Look at the Waterloo of DP World in the US and now in Pakistan, or look at the labour disputes around here which starts revealing the real UAE-Arab world.
Basings will be regarded as threat by the competition in the UK, USA or OZ. So I presume EK will not run the risk of beeing more openly exposed to civilised world labour law. Negative exposure to the free press, and believe me the others will go ahead with that, works against the 196 millions invested in FIFA.
Basings will be regarded as threat by the competition in the UK, USA or OZ. So I presume EK will not run the risk of beeing more openly exposed to civilised world labour law. Negative exposure to the free press, and believe me the others will go ahead with that, works against the 196 millions invested in FIFA.
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they've got a problem attracting DEC's on 26kdir a month...radical thinking rqd
O/seas basings or based DXB and rostered ex LHR/SYD/AKL etc...not a base but a report......
O/seas basings or based DXB and rostered ex LHR/SYD/AKL etc...not a base but a report......
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If they can afford US$195 million to sponsor a working-class sport supported by rabble-rousers, hooligans and riff-raff I dont think they will let a measly 26k dhs/mth interfere with their expansion plans. They will meet the market. I hope that the current pay review is sufficient to cover the next 12 months of increases that other carriers will start to offer as their recruitment picks up.
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You're dreaming Mack
The boss said that we have to reduce the unit cost yet again. In the last month they have halved the cost of a training captains pay and reduced the accomodation budget for lower grades. All this in the face of a manpower crisis. Never underestimate the audacity of our managers when it comes to cost cutting. I have been watching for almost ten years as they slice our conditions and tell us how lucky we are to have what's left. The smoke signals tell me not to expect much this year.
The boss said that we have to reduce the unit cost yet again. In the last month they have halved the cost of a training captains pay and reduced the accomodation budget for lower grades. All this in the face of a manpower crisis. Never underestimate the audacity of our managers when it comes to cost cutting. I have been watching for almost ten years as they slice our conditions and tell us how lucky we are to have what's left. The smoke signals tell me not to expect much this year.
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Scooter,
I know of 3 guys inc myself sitting on offers for later this year,is your "source" reliable about basings?I would certainly stay IF I could get home more often.Can you confirm that this is being actively pursued as a posibility?
I think it would instantly stem the flow of experienced and new EK pilots leaving but Ive seen nothing sensible happen from our leaders UNLESS its been forced out of them,the outflow is set to continue me thinks.
What have Cathay,Korean,Asiana and Singapore done so wrong,that basings cannot work for EK?
IF AS & Co woke up,EK could stop the sinking ship,maybe??
The pub awaits.QB
I know of 3 guys inc myself sitting on offers for later this year,is your "source" reliable about basings?I would certainly stay IF I could get home more often.Can you confirm that this is being actively pursued as a posibility?
I think it would instantly stem the flow of experienced and new EK pilots leaving but Ive seen nothing sensible happen from our leaders UNLESS its been forced out of them,the outflow is set to continue me thinks.
What have Cathay,Korean,Asiana and Singapore done so wrong,that basings cannot work for EK?
IF AS & Co woke up,EK could stop the sinking ship,maybe??
The pub awaits.QB
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Crew Portal Rumour Buster....
Hey Any one remember this ......Rumours 2006
From The Crew Portal Link Rumour Buster
From The Crew Portal Link Rumour Buster
Outbasings are on the cards. Many pilots are taking this into account for future planning.
Posted By: XXXXXX XXXX Date:31st January 2006
No Outbasings being planned at the moment.
L.L
Posted By: XXXXXX XXXX Date:31st January 2006
No Outbasings being planned at the moment.
L.L