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MC Cavok,
Well, you obviously are on the B777 fleet. Looking at your previous posts (all 4 of them.. lol) I noticed that you joined in November 2005, so you're ONLY one year in the company, and already whining about possible upgrade delays because your Airbus COLLEAGUES who have been in the company for nearly four years might take a seat on the B777.
First of all, you should be ashamed of your attitude, it's people like you who give pilots a bad name, moaning about something where there should be absolutely nothing to moan about.
Second, In about two years time, there will be B777 deliveries, hence upgrades on the B777. Meanwhile the A380 will arrive, so no Buspeople on the B777 anymore. If you do the math, you should know that you won't be delayed because of a few Airbus guys (more senior than you) joining the Boeing fleet now.
Third, if you absolutely want to ventilate your concerns, why not join the forces and write to TCAS and Ed about the total lack of career planning caused by the DEC's that join? They are the JUNIOR guys that take up your place! I know that up to now, nothing happens because of people writing, and you might call me an optimist, but the more people write about their concerns, the more the chances that something might happen. (ok, call me a very big optimist, on drugs or whatever...)
Fourth, your attitude is exactly what EK managers aim for with their divide and conquer strategy. United we stand, divided we'll fall...
This is not a personal attack, just wondering what the hell you are thinking.. And yes, I'm one of the F/O's on the bus...
MR8
Well, you obviously are on the B777 fleet. Looking at your previous posts (all 4 of them.. lol) I noticed that you joined in November 2005, so you're ONLY one year in the company, and already whining about possible upgrade delays because your Airbus COLLEAGUES who have been in the company for nearly four years might take a seat on the B777.
First of all, you should be ashamed of your attitude, it's people like you who give pilots a bad name, moaning about something where there should be absolutely nothing to moan about.
Second, In about two years time, there will be B777 deliveries, hence upgrades on the B777. Meanwhile the A380 will arrive, so no Buspeople on the B777 anymore. If you do the math, you should know that you won't be delayed because of a few Airbus guys (more senior than you) joining the Boeing fleet now.
Third, if you absolutely want to ventilate your concerns, why not join the forces and write to TCAS and Ed about the total lack of career planning caused by the DEC's that join? They are the JUNIOR guys that take up your place! I know that up to now, nothing happens because of people writing, and you might call me an optimist, but the more people write about their concerns, the more the chances that something might happen. (ok, call me a very big optimist, on drugs or whatever...)
Fourth, your attitude is exactly what EK managers aim for with their divide and conquer strategy. United we stand, divided we'll fall...
This is not a personal attack, just wondering what the hell you are thinking.. And yes, I'm one of the F/O's on the bus...
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EK upgrades
Anyone wonder why EK still upgrading guys on the airbus from the bottom up?
I thought the latest policy was to follow the list in "seniority" order... did I miss another FCI or News Letter??
I thought the latest policy was to follow the list in "seniority" order... did I miss another FCI or News Letter??
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Seniority who? He doesn't live here. You'll have to go back to the civilized world to find that guy. 
For example, irrelevent left seat time flying for a charter companies like coconut airways (
) will serve you well here and allow you to jump the list on the numerous other qualified pilots from major carriers. It makes perfect sense. 
For example, irrelevent left seat time flying for a charter companies like coconut airways (
) will serve you well here and allow you to jump the list on the numerous other qualified pilots from major carriers. It makes perfect sense.
Any contact details for Coconut Airways?
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I can totally agree with the frustrations but surely you can't call charter company command time irrelevent !!
It seems to me that charter Commanders fly all over the world in widebody aircraft with little or no support from main base, its a case of get on with it and make it happen. Not to mention flying into many airfields with poor nav/app aids etc
Its all good stuff for experience and stands them in good stead for future commands.
As i say, it shouldn't mean a quick command at EK but I would say its good experience not irrelevent.
Good Luck
It seems to me that charter Commanders fly all over the world in widebody aircraft with little or no support from main base, its a case of get on with it and make it happen. Not to mention flying into many airfields with poor nav/app aids etc
Its all good stuff for experience and stands them in good stead for future commands.
As i say, it shouldn't mean a quick command at EK but I would say its good experience not irrelevent.
Good Luck
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Hey Fellas
what about that Aussie outfit....Don'ttakeadingo Airways base out of Woollamaloo, just up from sheep-daggs creek.
I heard they are hireing....apparently all their guys are know at EK upgrading
Hey Southern man why dont you become a SFI or something in the mean time.
TR
what about that Aussie outfit....Don'ttakeadingo Airways base out of Woollamaloo, just up from sheep-daggs creek.
I heard they are hireing....apparently all their guys are know at EK upgrading
Hey Southern man why dont you become a SFI or something in the mean time.
TR
Don'ttakeadingo is now a dumping ground for Kiwis TR. So the quality from this outfit has taken a huge dive. Rumour has it they might be wet leasing to AIR NZ in the short term though, so not sure if any will be heading to EK now.
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Well Don
you maybe onto something..........it will just mean Air New Zealand will have to buy them out for a very large sum of money .......and loose millions in the process ............ then they will ask Team New Zealand for a loan ..........which will make Air New Zealand a subsidary of EK.
They will then merge seniorities and EK will become Emirates New Zealand and have 5 different pay scales for the pilots and cabin crew.......and the boys from the Land of the long white cloud, working out of Sheep Dagg Creek, will be back where they started..........living in Auckland looking at redundencey
TR
you maybe onto something..........it will just mean Air New Zealand will have to buy them out for a very large sum of money .......and loose millions in the process ............ then they will ask Team New Zealand for a loan ..........which will make Air New Zealand a subsidary of EK.
They will then merge seniorities and EK will become Emirates New Zealand and have 5 different pay scales for the pilots and cabin crew.......and the boys from the Land of the long white cloud, working out of Sheep Dagg Creek, will be back where they started..........living in Auckland looking at redundencey
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Well, you guys know how to spin the globe, Australia, New Zealand, and Barbados, what's next, Senegal?
So, about EK, was not the latest "policy" to upgrade in order of seniority? If so, then why all the junior guys on the upgrade course now?
An hey, Broken Cola, what is an SFI or something?
So, about EK, was not the latest "policy" to upgrade in order of seniority? If so, then why all the junior guys on the upgrade course now?
An hey, Broken Cola, what is an SFI or something?
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Giovane....
I'm sure you get the point....sure it's relevent, but the ex major airline chaps are essentially being penalized. Charter pilots have access to quick command and are therefore eligible for these out of seniority policies. It's wrong.
Southflyer...Junior guys on AB are going to the 777, having this previous charter command experience to circumvent the seniority list.
I'm sure you get the point....sure it's relevent, but the ex major airline chaps are essentially being penalized. Charter pilots have access to quick command and are therefore eligible for these out of seniority policies. It's wrong.
Southflyer...Junior guys on AB are going to the 777, having this previous charter command experience to circumvent the seniority list.
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Not for this..
" Position Vacant - Pastry Chef, our client is a 5 star rated hotel in the Middle East and they are urgently requiring a Chef with experience in all types of Pastry (Puff and Shu essential). The successful applicant must be team orientated, imaginative and self motivated. At least 5 years experience as a Pastry Chef is essential. Preference will be given to applicants with Left Hand Seat charter time A330 or B767
" Position Vacant - Pastry Chef, our client is a 5 star rated hotel in the Middle East and they are urgently requiring a Chef with experience in all types of Pastry (Puff and Shu essential). The successful applicant must be team orientated, imaginative and self motivated. At least 5 years experience as a Pastry Chef is essential. Preference will be given to applicants with Left Hand Seat charter time A330 or B767
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I flew with a DEC a month ago that had no previous wide body time, and HAD NEVER HAD AN OVERNIGHT TRIP.. But he did bake one hell of a puffy shu-**** doughnut..!
I am actually serious about the first part.. The pastry wasn't that good
I am actually serious about the first part.. The pastry wasn't that good
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saltaire,
If you really think flying a widebody around the world into a plethora of destinations , in all weathers, to all manner of undeveloped airfields with only a mobile phone for support thinking on your feet, hands on etc etc etc etc is insufficient training for command in micromanaged airline, then sir you are an arrogant t0sser. Also these guys are already indoctrinated. The politics of ek policy notwithstanding your arguement is bolox
Learning ek routes is the same as learning any routes, not a seperate licence matey. Command ability is not defined by timed served at ek.
You are a disgrace to your fine colleagues.
Your chippy view of what happens these days in this industry is indicative of a probable self opinion far in excess of your experince or indeed the opinion of your checkers.
If you really think flying a widebody around the world into a plethora of destinations , in all weathers, to all manner of undeveloped airfields with only a mobile phone for support thinking on your feet, hands on etc etc etc etc is insufficient training for command in micromanaged airline, then sir you are an arrogant t0sser. Also these guys are already indoctrinated. The politics of ek policy notwithstanding your arguement is bolox
Learning ek routes is the same as learning any routes, not a seperate licence matey. Command ability is not defined by timed served at ek.
You are a disgrace to your fine colleagues.
Your chippy view of what happens these days in this industry is indicative of a probable self opinion far in excess of your experince or indeed the opinion of your checkers.
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Previous comand experience
Dear all,
I think that previous command experience is valuable.
It does not matter where this command has been done.
The only thing is that maybe it is even more important to have respect of the seniority list.
All the ek pilots deserve the chance to become captain, ( this is why most of us joined).
I flew with many DECs and they were all nice persons to work with.
The problem is that if Ek management will continue to act as they are now, they will continue to loose credibility and no other experience pilots will join unless they are desperate.
flare
I think that previous command experience is valuable.
It does not matter where this command has been done.
The only thing is that maybe it is even more important to have respect of the seniority list.
All the ek pilots deserve the chance to become captain, ( this is why most of us joined).
I flew with many DECs and they were all nice persons to work with.
The problem is that if Ek management will continue to act as they are now, they will continue to loose credibility and no other experience pilots will join unless they are desperate.
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One thing not to forget guys....
many pilots in Qatar Airways are looking in your direction. 40 reprtedly are awaiting a slot at EY and a group as well is waiting a slot in EK.
And yes, we do have normal sane pilots with good skills. Agreed, they are becoming a rather rare commodity in the QR pool of pilot genes but they still exist...
ME management is the same everywhere...sad to see the sandpit is only that....a sandpit!
many pilots in Qatar Airways are looking in your direction. 40 reprtedly are awaiting a slot at EY and a group as well is waiting a slot in EK.
And yes, we do have normal sane pilots with good skills. Agreed, they are becoming a rather rare commodity in the QR pool of pilot genes but they still exist...
ME management is the same everywhere...sad to see the sandpit is only that....a sandpit!
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Take a chill pill guys (that means you wee one) - by all means continue the debate but please let's have a little more mutual respect.
Remember; if shouting about it isn't going to change anything, is it really worth getting all hot under the collar about it in the first place?
Carry on please.
4HP
Remember; if shouting about it isn't going to change anything, is it really worth getting all hot under the collar about it in the first place?
Carry on please.
4HP