DELAYS of ERs are upon us!!
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DELAYS of ERs are upon us!!
Here we GO!!
Deliveries of B777 300ERs are already delayed.
Officially not because of crew shortages!! Oh wait a minute is that 95 hours of block time on my roster?
The proverbial is truly gunna hit the fan soon! Duck and run all you like your gunna get caught!! 95 block hours month on month,blank days at end of month what next??
Strap on for the ride should be interesting!!
Deliveries of B777 300ERs are already delayed.
Officially not because of crew shortages!! Oh wait a minute is that 95 hours of block time on my roster?
The proverbial is truly gunna hit the fan soon! Duck and run all you like your gunna get caught!! 95 block hours month on month,blank days at end of month what next??
Strap on for the ride should be interesting!!
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I understood it was because of a strike in Seattle!
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The company had already admitted that it was forced to delay 25-30 aircraft deliveries in September because of the action, though had also continued to secure additional orders to add to a backlog growing despite the problems affecting the US airline industry – four of the six largest carriers are in bankruptcy protection.
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All the machinists were out and Boeing were not building or delivering jets. The strike has just been settled:
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Company lifts monthly pension payment, dilutes plans to curb medical compensation.
Boeing’s striking assembly workers on Monday recommended accepting a revised accord to end a strike that has paralysed commercial aircraft production at the US aerospace group for more than three weeks.
Around 18,400 members of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) began their action on September 2 after the two sides failed to agree a new three-year deal on pensions, health care benefits and working practices.
The parties had limited contact since the strike began, but a new round of talks late last week produced a proposed settlement with compromises on both sides. Boeing’s IAM members in the states and Washington, Oregon and Kansas are due to vote on the accord on September 29 in a move which would halt the rising exponential cost of the strike to both parties.
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The company had already admitted that it was forced to delay 25-30 aircraft deliveries in September because of the action, though had also continued to secure additional orders to add to a backlog growing despite the problems affecting the US airline industry – four of the six largest carriers are in bankruptcy protection.
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All the machinists were out and Boeing were not building or delivering jets. The strike has just been settled:
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Company lifts monthly pension payment, dilutes plans to curb medical compensation.
Boeing’s striking assembly workers on Monday recommended accepting a revised accord to end a strike that has paralysed commercial aircraft production at the US aerospace group for more than three weeks.
Around 18,400 members of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) began their action on September 2 after the two sides failed to agree a new three-year deal on pensions, health care benefits and working practices.
The parties had limited contact since the strike began, but a new round of talks late last week produced a proposed settlement with compromises on both sides. Boeing’s IAM members in the states and Washington, Oregon and Kansas are due to vote on the accord on September 29 in a move which would halt the rising exponential cost of the strike to both parties.
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YEP maybe a little breathing space will be good for the company for recruiting more pilots and training more pilots!
Also a little more consideration with retention of current pilots should also be on the agenda.But my guess is that this last point is not that high on the companies list of priorities!
But time will tell.
Interesting times indeed
Also a little more consideration with retention of current pilots should also be on the agenda.But my guess is that this last point is not that high on the companies list of priorities!
But time will tell.
Interesting times indeed
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Hey Ringading,
Correct me if I am wrong but arent you contracted to work 100 hours a month. I certainly am. Though dont often make it to that figure.
The 777-300ER's are delayed because Boeing have been on strike and have delayed deliveries. I believe they have just gone back to work but now have a back log to clear. Other carriers (EY) have been affected too which may mean a delay in their services.
You will also find now that virtually every airline in the world will make you work harder for less money. You work for EK so whilst it still pays your wages do you really want to see this company against the ropes. If you do, I hope to see you name on a list of resignations people are now looking at on the crew portal. If you dont like the idea of working 95 hours credit then maybe aviation isnt the career for you.
Correct me if I am wrong but arent you contracted to work 100 hours a month. I certainly am. Though dont often make it to that figure.
The 777-300ER's are delayed because Boeing have been on strike and have delayed deliveries. I believe they have just gone back to work but now have a back log to clear. Other carriers (EY) have been affected too which may mean a delay in their services.
You will also find now that virtually every airline in the world will make you work harder for less money. You work for EK so whilst it still pays your wages do you really want to see this company against the ropes. If you do, I hope to see you name on a list of resignations people are now looking at on the crew portal. If you dont like the idea of working 95 hours credit then maybe aviation isnt the career for you.
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Uplink,
The 100 hours you refer to is not in your contract. It is in the FOM and CARs under flight time limits. 100 in 28 days, 900 in 12 months.
If you're on the Boeing, then I suspect you are not anywhere near these limits. The airbus guys however are pushing 1000hrs in the previous 12 months due to past factoring. It is illegal, but I guess to avoid the company going against the ropes then it's ok, isn't it?
Try flying 1000hrs in 12 months and see how your perspective changes!
The 100 hours you refer to is not in your contract. It is in the FOM and CARs under flight time limits. 100 in 28 days, 900 in 12 months.
If you're on the Boeing, then I suspect you are not anywhere near these limits. The airbus guys however are pushing 1000hrs in the previous 12 months due to past factoring. It is illegal, but I guess to avoid the company going against the ropes then it's ok, isn't it?
Try flying 1000hrs in 12 months and see how your perspective changes!
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I think UPLINK is just a wind-up w@nker!
If not then here's a brief explanation: 100 hrs in 28 days is the limit. If you continuously keep running something at or close to the limit IT WILL BREAK!
(If you like PM me and I can draw you a picture!)
If not then here's a brief explanation: 100 hrs in 28 days is the limit. If you continuously keep running something at or close to the limit IT WILL BREAK!
(If you like PM me and I can draw you a picture!)
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You dont have to outline anything. Contract or FOM that is what we are made to do. Most companies in Europe use this under contractural terms. I am not saying this is right or wrong, thats just the way it is. And hey guess what it will go to 1000 a year soon. Where there are loop holes they will find a way and there is nothing you or I can do about it.
I am not a wind up merchant I just say things as I see them. So get off my case. Tell me anywhere that does not have the same sort of rules. Most companies around the globe use 900 hours as a benchmark. The thing you can look at is that when you hit 900 hours then you cant fly anymore. I have already seen that several times in EK.
I know what the rules in the FOM state. Under JAR Ops this FTL which is formed initially from CAP 371 subpart Q was there as a guide. Most airlines use this guide as a max. I know as well as you that this is not ideal. I know also that they are now short of pilots and aircraft. In addition tell that to the guys who still insist on working their days off.
Heres the next rub as this is a rumour network. I hear they are re-inviting candidates who originally failed their interviews with EK back again for reassessment. What does that say to you.
I am not a wind up merchant I just say things as I see them. So get off my case. Tell me anywhere that does not have the same sort of rules. Most companies around the globe use 900 hours as a benchmark. The thing you can look at is that when you hit 900 hours then you cant fly anymore. I have already seen that several times in EK.
I know what the rules in the FOM state. Under JAR Ops this FTL which is formed initially from CAP 371 subpart Q was there as a guide. Most airlines use this guide as a max. I know as well as you that this is not ideal. I know also that they are now short of pilots and aircraft. In addition tell that to the guys who still insist on working their days off.
Heres the next rub as this is a rumour network. I hear they are re-inviting candidates who originally failed their interviews with EK back again for reassessment. What does that say to you.
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You must be from the B777 cause after you have worked the 900 hrs you would not be so pleased. And for some of us up to a 1000 under the factoring.
For those of us on 330/340 we are knackered. Another 95 hrs this month 9 days off.
Basic pay is based on 79 hrs approx, and up until recently and the advent of the son of satin (ADOP) we use to work to that, and average 10-12 days off a month.
No contract I saw, said I was to do 100 hrs in 28 days that is the Max limit.
A lot of other airlines have roster agreements, to limit the hrs VS, NZ of which I know.
They believe that the limits are exactly that, not to be worked to its called Safety.
EK have a very creative use of the Cars/FOM, and rostering to the limit. JFK 3 pilots, CGK/BKK/DXB 2 pilots ICN, and PVG 2 pilots, not many airlines that I know would work to this, even the low cost that I came from respected the Limits sadly EK seem to not, led by TCAS and his hench men.
Now that feels better!!!!!!
You must be from the B777 cause after you have worked the 900 hrs you would not be so pleased. And for some of us up to a 1000 under the factoring.
For those of us on 330/340 we are knackered. Another 95 hrs this month 9 days off.
Basic pay is based on 79 hrs approx, and up until recently and the advent of the son of satin (ADOP) we use to work to that, and average 10-12 days off a month.
No contract I saw, said I was to do 100 hrs in 28 days that is the Max limit.
A lot of other airlines have roster agreements, to limit the hrs VS, NZ of which I know.
They believe that the limits are exactly that, not to be worked to its called Safety.
EK have a very creative use of the Cars/FOM, and rostering to the limit. JFK 3 pilots, CGK/BKK/DXB 2 pilots ICN, and PVG 2 pilots, not many airlines that I know would work to this, even the low cost that I came from respected the Limits sadly EK seem to not, led by TCAS and his hench men.
Now that feels better!!!!!!
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NFH,
From the 777 point of view; 75-90 hours/month on the Boeing 2 crew without a bunk is not unusual and equally knackering.
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The contract, whilst black and white in print, is still open to interpretation and of course this flex is 100% in the favour of the company. We have NO input mainly due to the fact that the guys who should be representing our point of view higher up the food chain don't.
You can reach 900 hours in a myriad of ways. EKs argument is invariably that it is 'legal', ours is that it is often impractical and unsafe. As Mr Ree said, if you run so close to these limits things will break.
From the 777 point of view; 75-90 hours/month on the Boeing 2 crew without a bunk is not unusual and equally knackering.
Uplink
The contract, whilst black and white in print, is still open to interpretation and of course this flex is 100% in the favour of the company. We have NO input mainly due to the fact that the guys who should be representing our point of view higher up the food chain don't.
You can reach 900 hours in a myriad of ways. EKs argument is invariably that it is 'legal', ours is that it is often impractical and unsafe. As Mr Ree said, if you run so close to these limits things will break.
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Tell Me something I dont know.
Next year the Boeing will take the JFK flight so we will be looking at the same FTL.
I never said I approved I just stated fact, which makes a change to the usual horse **** we read here
Next year the Boeing will take the JFK flight so we will be looking at the same FTL.
I never said I approved I just stated fact, which makes a change to the usual horse **** we read here
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Correct me if i'm wrong but won't the 777 do that route in about 30 minutes less time? I"m not sure exactly what it takes the airbus to do it in, as clearly the block times are only a percentage of actual flight times, here at EK. I'm not saying 30 minutes is a huge difference but it is significant.
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Don't worry, there are a few that try to oust anyone from this forum should any undesirable facts be stated. Usually accompanied with cries of "he must be management".
The same people call for a transparent management yet try to scrub anyone from prune for posting a different perspective. It doesn't mean to say we agree with the situation, just acknowledging it. It doesn't mean we are management either.
Don't worry, there are a few that try to oust anyone from this forum should any undesirable facts be stated. Usually accompanied with cries of "he must be management".
The same people call for a transparent management yet try to scrub anyone from prune for posting a different perspective. It doesn't mean to say we agree with the situation, just acknowledging it. It doesn't mean we are management either.
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Thanks for that Global Nomad.
I try to state facts and look at things from a perspective that if I moan no one will listen anyway.
Most companies people work for are not ideal be it in aviation or not. I chose to work here and still enjoy it. I try to remember why I joined and why I left my last company. It still all adds up and if I was in the same position again I would make the same choices.
I have being looking at PPRUNE since it started a very long time ago. This was used as a rumour network but became a site for people to air their grievances. I took 5 years away from this site after 1989 because of the commotion of the Oz pilots strike. 5 years later the grievances were still being aired. (and still are today)
I know that people are working hard in EK and there is nothing they or I can do about it. Show me an airline that does not make its employees work for their money nowadays. There will always be good and bad points to each company. Ironically alot of people are tired and pissed off. The FTL is being used to the max where it is really only for guidance. I have over 100 hours credit this month and just over half that is block time. I know that nothing will change. Funnily enough though not that many are actually leaving EK. Those that are, are not necessarily going to better companies, they will no doubt find problems and grievances in the places they go.
There is no union here to address these problems, something I have dealt with in the past. I still say that I do not work as hard as I did in my previous life. When the Boeings start going trans Atlantic no doubt I may find out. As I have said previously if I am unhappy I will leave. To go where though I am not sure.
So back to the original thread of delays on the B777-300ER's. Now Boeing have decided to go back to work, heres to the 5 we are now getting in Noember. Its going to be a busy month.
I try to state facts and look at things from a perspective that if I moan no one will listen anyway.
Most companies people work for are not ideal be it in aviation or not. I chose to work here and still enjoy it. I try to remember why I joined and why I left my last company. It still all adds up and if I was in the same position again I would make the same choices.
I have being looking at PPRUNE since it started a very long time ago. This was used as a rumour network but became a site for people to air their grievances. I took 5 years away from this site after 1989 because of the commotion of the Oz pilots strike. 5 years later the grievances were still being aired. (and still are today)
I know that people are working hard in EK and there is nothing they or I can do about it. Show me an airline that does not make its employees work for their money nowadays. There will always be good and bad points to each company. Ironically alot of people are tired and pissed off. The FTL is being used to the max where it is really only for guidance. I have over 100 hours credit this month and just over half that is block time. I know that nothing will change. Funnily enough though not that many are actually leaving EK. Those that are, are not necessarily going to better companies, they will no doubt find problems and grievances in the places they go.
There is no union here to address these problems, something I have dealt with in the past. I still say that I do not work as hard as I did in my previous life. When the Boeings start going trans Atlantic no doubt I may find out. As I have said previously if I am unhappy I will leave. To go where though I am not sure.
So back to the original thread of delays on the B777-300ER's. Now Boeing have decided to go back to work, heres to the 5 we are now getting in Noember. Its going to be a busy month.
