Pilots meeting EK, nothing new!?
No im glad hes got the chance , ill be a DEC elsewhere but think how stupid the principal of all that is....EK needs captains but they would rather take off the street than internally , thats a real vote of confidence..............
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What a waste of time!! Can anyone tell me what TCAS is doing in that position? Is he really that dumb, or is he just a good actor?
Hours are not important for Upgrades, it's the experience within the company. The fact that hours are the main basis for upgrade policy is historical, and therefor shouldn't be changed unless proven that it doesn't work. As for DEC's, that a completely other discussion where hours suddenly are the only important thing.. Can anyone explain me what he was actually meaning when he was saying that??
This tosser didn't say one thing that actually made sense or wasn't completely irrelevant to the question asked.
What about the fatigue discussion.. A 24hr layover in JFK gives less fatigue then a 48 hr layover. Reason: the compter with the licenced software from the UK tells us so. Whatever you guys are experiencing in real life is only subjective, hence not scientific and can't be used for investigation.
But, I think next year will be so much better... with all those hot items UNDER REVIEW now, we can expect some great policy changes.. NOT!!
Was always quite an optimist, but today, I discovered again...
A very disappointed MR8
Hours are not important for Upgrades, it's the experience within the company. The fact that hours are the main basis for upgrade policy is historical, and therefor shouldn't be changed unless proven that it doesn't work. As for DEC's, that a completely other discussion where hours suddenly are the only important thing..
Can anyone explain me what he was actually meaning when he was saying that??This tosser didn't say one thing that actually made sense or wasn't completely irrelevant to the question asked.
What about the fatigue discussion.. A 24hr layover in JFK gives less fatigue then a 48 hr layover. Reason: the compter with the licenced software from the UK tells us so. Whatever you guys are experiencing in real life is only subjective, hence not scientific and can't be used for investigation.
But, I think next year will be so much better... with all those hot items UNDER REVIEW now, we can expect some great policy changes.. NOT!!
Was always quite an optimist, but today, I discovered again...
A very disappointed MR8
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I expect everyone is content they spent their day off well then!!!
I was watching the cricket, and even though it was rained out for most of the day, I think my time was well spent compared to the frustration of attending another useless meeting.
I was watching the cricket, and even though it was rained out for most of the day, I think my time was well spent compared to the frustration of attending another useless meeting.
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So they didn’t announce the new improved SBS system,
The pay rise
How there going to find crew so we can all get a few days off
Well it would seem spending the day at home was the right choice.
The pay rise
How there going to find crew so we can all get a few days off
Well it would seem spending the day at home was the right choice.
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Shake, don, alpha, seaman et al.
Dont bite this is an olive branch, not a wind up. You guys are getting dicked about because of the empire building of a few ****** expat arab arsekissers. Kids in school, wife in the clubs etc.Houses in the uk, and a **** load more money than you.
Walking is the only way. DEC are a way of life everywhere. The uk is strong, lots of temp contracts around to draw breath, and soften the blow.
I have many mates in ek who have genrally done well. All pre 750 seniority. and all generally politcally grey.It seems they were lucky to escape the changes. Soon though you will be outnumbered by the latest breed of recruit to whom ek is a financial paradise. EK will have gone full circle then. Started in the third world and crewed by the third world...its cheaper.. Again i know many from the past wwho fit the bill.
It aint worth it the hassles anymore, bite the bullet, it aint so bad paying tax. Jump off the crest, not swim up the trough.
My personnal philosophy for moving..when the hassle factor exceeds the fun factor...bug out..family and all.
Olive branch closed..back to wind ups
Dont bite this is an olive branch, not a wind up. You guys are getting dicked about because of the empire building of a few ****** expat arab arsekissers. Kids in school, wife in the clubs etc.Houses in the uk, and a **** load more money than you.
Walking is the only way. DEC are a way of life everywhere. The uk is strong, lots of temp contracts around to draw breath, and soften the blow.
I have many mates in ek who have genrally done well. All pre 750 seniority. and all generally politcally grey.It seems they were lucky to escape the changes. Soon though you will be outnumbered by the latest breed of recruit to whom ek is a financial paradise. EK will have gone full circle then. Started in the third world and crewed by the third world...its cheaper.. Again i know many from the past wwho fit the bill.
It aint worth it the hassles anymore, bite the bullet, it aint so bad paying tax. Jump off the crest, not swim up the trough.
My personnal philosophy for moving..when the hassle factor exceeds the fun factor...bug out..family and all.
Olive branch closed..back to wind ups
Bart,
Ya big softie.......As has been said before its a sign of the times. We missed the good times in the industry by a few decades...before the invention of the bean counter!!!! Perhaps there is a light at the end of the tunnel for this industry.
DXB is just becoming a work site owned by the greedy, built by slaves. Costs are out of control, and it does become a bit depressing. I think its important those thinking of coming here hear about this stuff as well as all the glossy new aeroplanes and great routes stuff.
I guess the rapid decline which has changed a great job to just another job, that has taken place over the past few years has not been a very pleasant thing to watch.
Although an olive branch is nice..a beer branch would have been better. [email protected] EK fellas are never happy!!!!!!!!
Don
Ya big softie.......As has been said before its a sign of the times. We missed the good times in the industry by a few decades...before the invention of the bean counter!!!! Perhaps there is a light at the end of the tunnel for this industry.
DXB is just becoming a work site owned by the greedy, built by slaves. Costs are out of control, and it does become a bit depressing. I think its important those thinking of coming here hear about this stuff as well as all the glossy new aeroplanes and great routes stuff.
I guess the rapid decline which has changed a great job to just another job, that has taken place over the past few years has not been a very pleasant thing to watch.
Although an olive branch is nice..a beer branch would have been better. [email protected] EK fellas are never happy!!!!!!!!
Don
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<<Hours are not important for Upgrades, it's the experience within the company.>>
The largest airline in SE Asia would seem to dis-agree, and indeed have been hiring DEC's for the last thirty years.
That malcontent F/O's within EK disagree, you ain't in management guys, so your opinion counts for zip.
As it should be, in any case.
Also, it ain't likely to change anytime soon.
Tough beans.
The largest airline in SE Asia would seem to dis-agree, and indeed have been hiring DEC's for the last thirty years.
That malcontent F/O's within EK disagree, you ain't in management guys, so your opinion counts for zip.
As it should be, in any case.
Also, it ain't likely to change anytime soon.
Tough beans.
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411A,
Geez after reading the 1st bit of your post I nearly thought that you had come to your senses....
then you add this STUPID comment: :...you ain't in management guys, so your opinion counts for zip.
As it should be, in any case."
"Err, Captain what about taking the gear now?"
"YOU AIN'T THE CAPT SO YOU OPINION COUNTS ZIP!"
A sinking feeling under your butt and a loud scraping sound follows, then the flames!
OOPS, MAYBE I SHOULD TAKE MY BIG HEAD OUT MY ARSE AND LISTEN NEXT TIME.
Geez after reading the 1st bit of your post I nearly thought that you had come to your senses....
then you add this STUPID comment: :...you ain't in management guys, so your opinion counts for zip.
As it should be, in any case."
"Err, Captain what about taking the gear now?"
"YOU AIN'T THE CAPT SO YOU OPINION COUNTS ZIP!"
A sinking feeling under your butt and a loud scraping sound follows, then the flames!
OOPS, MAYBE I SHOULD TAKE MY BIG HEAD OUT MY ARSE AND LISTEN NEXT TIME.
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Of course it went well for them, they always will.
If you stand up in public to be counted you'll be knocked down in private. That's the way it works here.
All I saw was a fixed agenda given by managers with their heads in the sand, with no power to do anything about anything anyway.
Did it quell the unrest felt by many of us? Will it stop futher resignations? Did it do anything to make EK look like a better prospective employer?
Like previous meetings, we have more questions than we had before we went. So how well did it really go if issues were avoided and questions, the real questions remain unanswered?
If you stand up in public to be counted you'll be knocked down in private. That's the way it works here.
All I saw was a fixed agenda given by managers with their heads in the sand, with no power to do anything about anything anyway.
Did it quell the unrest felt by many of us? Will it stop futher resignations? Did it do anything to make EK look like a better prospective employer?
Like previous meetings, we have more questions than we had before we went. So how well did it really go if issues were avoided and questions, the real questions remain unanswered?
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Good to see old "nobby"'s back, sorry, I meant to say 411a - the man on the ground here in the Gulf, font of all knowledge - just remember old bean that these same F/O's WILL BE THE management of the future (before you all say it - NOT ME
). Let's hope they've learnt some "people skills" along the way!!
To change the subject!
Actually - the English bowling was pretty damn good on day 4, session's 1 & 2. Pity Strauss let himself down so early on though. Oh yes 411 - cricket don't you know, nothing like the rounders game your lot play over there....
- just remember old bean that these same F/O's WILL BE THE management of the future (before you all say it - NOT ME ). Let's hope they've learnt some "people skills" along the way!!To change the subject!
Actually - the English bowling was pretty damn good on day 4, session's 1 & 2. Pity Strauss let himself down so early on though. Oh yes 411 - cricket don't you know, nothing like the rounders game your lot play over there....
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Blood,sweat and tears
Missed the meeting but heard that from November 50% of crew (flight deck & cabin) will have to have a blood test every working day.
They can't think we've had an incident related to substance abuse can they?
They can't think we've had an incident related to substance abuse can they?