EK Overseas Basings.
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EK International - again...!
It's that time again - seems like some very intense rumouring going on about EK management relenting on the overseas basing issue. Anyone care to confirm, deny or add to the latest (moderate) excitement?
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When Hell freezes over my boy.
What i have heard though is that due to the problems getting enough bums in seats, they are going back to the contract companies for DEC's, which should still be good for us because EK pilots make up the bulk of the names on their books.
I wouldn't mind betting that they offer some contract jobs via the contract companies jobs that include basings.
You have to look at it logically. If they offer us a basing, then they just have to recruit someone to take our spot, which they are unable to do. On the other hand, if they offer basings to new DEC's i reckon the would be deluged.
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What i have heard though is that due to the problems getting enough bums in seats, they are going back to the contract companies for DEC's, which should still be good for us because EK pilots make up the bulk of the names on their books.
I wouldn't mind betting that they offer some contract jobs via the contract companies jobs that include basings.
You have to look at it logically. If they offer us a basing, then they just have to recruit someone to take our spot, which they are unable to do. On the other hand, if they offer basings to new DEC's i reckon the would be deluged.
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Vorsicht I reckon you are correct. Only possible faux-silver lining is that they (in their generosity) offer 10+ year skippers a 50% paycut to take a 'basing'.
Several advantages to the company for doing that. Best of all, assuming most guys refuse (ala' J*), they can turn around and offer it to DECs saying "I told you so, people love living in Dubai". Either way EK wins.
Several advantages to the company for doing that. Best of all, assuming most guys refuse (ala' J*), they can turn around and offer it to DECs saying "I told you so, people love living in Dubai". Either way EK wins.
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EK permanent basings are impossible!
If you will be based in a country, you will have to pay local taxes, and that's not only the employee, but also the employer has certain fiscal obligations to fullfill. Let's just think about social security, pension schemes etc etc... If you look at the EK books, it's quite easy to see where to company makes it's money compared to other airlines: cost of manpower. One of the main reasons EK makes a lot of profit, is because of the low cost of manpower. By opening up permanent basings, the routes flown by these people will suddenly be less profitable. Knowing EK, this will never happen.
What is a possible scenario? Temporary basings! EK could for example allow people to be based in London for 3 or 4 months. They will not pay for a hotel, but will give a financial bonus to people to find their own accomodation. It's a win-win situation. It will cost less to EK (otherwise they would have to put guys in an expensive hotel with daily allowances to be paid), plus EK will have standby people covering Europe (from London, it's quite easy to get you to any European destination and still be able to fly onward to Dubai with a split duty..) As for the crew: some guys who still have a house in the area would love to take the extra money (let's say half of what it would cost EK to pay hotel and allowances) and spend a few months flying from their real home.
That's how I would do it, but then again, little Alan probably has more relative brainmass (*) then I do...
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(*) relative brainmass = size of brain / size of body
If you will be based in a country, you will have to pay local taxes, and that's not only the employee, but also the employer has certain fiscal obligations to fullfill. Let's just think about social security, pension schemes etc etc... If you look at the EK books, it's quite easy to see where to company makes it's money compared to other airlines: cost of manpower. One of the main reasons EK makes a lot of profit, is because of the low cost of manpower. By opening up permanent basings, the routes flown by these people will suddenly be less profitable. Knowing EK, this will never happen.
What is a possible scenario? Temporary basings! EK could for example allow people to be based in London for 3 or 4 months. They will not pay for a hotel, but will give a financial bonus to people to find their own accomodation. It's a win-win situation. It will cost less to EK (otherwise they would have to put guys in an expensive hotel with daily allowances to be paid), plus EK will have standby people covering Europe (from London, it's quite easy to get you to any European destination and still be able to fly onward to Dubai with a split duty..) As for the crew: some guys who still have a house in the area would love to take the extra money (let's say half of what it would cost EK to pay hotel and allowances) and spend a few months flying from their real home.
That's how I would do it, but then again, little Alan probably has more relative brainmass (*) then I do...
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(*) relative brainmass = size of brain / size of body
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EK Basings? IMO, never.
The relative cost for the company is an obvious issue for them. But I believe EK's biggest fear is the liability they will suffer with respect to labour laws of the country in which the basings are held. Can you imagine EK dealing with labour laws of a western, first world country?
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The relative cost for the company is an obvious issue for them. But I believe EK's biggest fear is the liability they will suffer with respect to labour laws of the country in which the basings are held. Can you imagine EK dealing with labour laws of a western, first world country?
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on somebody else's shoes...
I strongly agree with your position. People don't really think that s*** can happen to them too and that someday they might be looking for a job as well.
The only thing that I cannot agree is: why a DEC makes only one LOFT and an F/O has to make 4 for his upgrade ?
Why the F/O has to make an FOM test and a DEC not ?
I am not against DEC at all, but having the same criteria would be nice...
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What a lot of you guys are forgetting is that EK already employs people in several other countries (airport staff, engineers, sales reps etc) and I'm sure they all fall under the labour laws of those countries........... So basing pilots wouldn't be any different from that point of view would it?
