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From: Australia
Not true, at all..
CX are offering DEC on 747 cargo with basings in Europe and expanding them over the next few years to include other bases, possibly OZ. Transfer to the pax fleet after 3 years is the rumour. That will definately hurt EK. 4000 Int heavy command req.
CX are offering DEC on 747 cargo with basings in Europe and expanding them over the next few years to include other bases, possibly OZ. Transfer to the pax fleet after 3 years is the rumour. That will definately hurt EK. 4000 Int heavy command req.
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From: lgw
Shockwave,you must be mistaken THe chosen few?
Emirates pilots wont apply to be a DEC in another company surely.
How could they be a DEC in another company when there are F/o's ready for command? How could they be qualified to fly CX ops when there are people who know the cx sop so well, who have had commands before, what about the seniority and all the poor cx guys who were hired as S/O and now have to fly on the right to someone off the street who doesnt know CX or ..... etc etc... Any of this sound familiar to the usual EK flat earth society on these boards.Or the "Only Dubai dodgy arab, gulf specific, licence, holders have the skill levels to fly a 777 from the gulf" Hippocracy at its best.
Emirates pilots wont apply to be a DEC in another company surely.
How could they be a DEC in another company when there are F/o's ready for command? How could they be qualified to fly CX ops when there are people who know the cx sop so well, who have had commands before, what about the seniority and all the poor cx guys who were hired as S/O and now have to fly on the right to someone off the street who doesnt know CX or ..... etc etc... Any of this sound familiar to the usual EK flat earth society on these boards.Or the "Only Dubai dodgy arab, gulf specific, licence, holders have the skill levels to fly a 777 from the gulf" Hippocracy at its best.
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From: Australia
I have never had any difficulty with DECs, they are generally only recruited because there is a need for them. That is not to say that pilots wont bitch about it though. Hippocracy doesn't enter in to it. If a company has a need for experienced International Captains(any company) then why is there a problem. As far as CX cargo goes I think they are going to expand considerably over the next 7 years and have identified a shortfall in experience. Like most Asian carriers.
I haven't even applied so don't bitch at me!
I haven't even applied so don't bitch at me!
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From: All over
One question I have. How does the company expect to crew the proposed Australia -South America schedules .Since the 777 Aus pairings are 7 days + now . It will be interesting to see how this will be done. 
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From: I wish I knew
I have never had any difficulty with DECs, they are generally only recruited because there is a need for them. That is not to say that pilots wont bitch about it though. Hippocracy doesn't enter in to it. If a company has a need for experienced International Captains(any company) then why is there a problem.
They are getting DEC's that DON'T have any international experience,that DON'T even know how an HF work and that for the first 2-3 months will constantly rely on the F/O's experience.
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From: lgw
Shockwave , it was the principle of double standards from the anti dec crowd that i was sniping at , not you personnaly
Last edited by bushbolox; 24th September 2006 at 18:43.
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From: I wish I knew
And BTW I have no probs with DEC's but you would admit that the system is at least unfair when you can't justify hiring people with less international experience jumping ahead of the list
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From: Australia
Thankfully most of us are not employed for our spellen...
For those EK pilots who may be deemed to be anti DEC, Iwould hope that they are able to vent their anger at the people in Management that see the need for the program and not at the DECs. Each and every one of us has been trained and given time on the line during training and afterwards to consolidate our skills.(cadets, f/os, capt's, & DECs)
Pointing your finger at a DEC because he has not had the 3 years of route exposure you may have had is childish and unprofessional. You are here to do a job, do it! Work as a team and help the guy out if he needs it, and he will help you when you need it.
The vast majority of EK pilots are going to end up as DECs at some time in their careers, so spend some time thinking about how you might like to be treated in your next company by your work mates.
Sorry for getting off topic and on the soap box guys..
Think I'll go chill now....
For those EK pilots who may be deemed to be anti DEC, Iwould hope that they are able to vent their anger at the people in Management that see the need for the program and not at the DECs. Each and every one of us has been trained and given time on the line during training and afterwards to consolidate our skills.(cadets, f/os, capt's, & DECs)
Pointing your finger at a DEC because he has not had the 3 years of route exposure you may have had is childish and unprofessional. You are here to do a job, do it! Work as a team and help the guy out if he needs it, and he will help you when you need it.
The vast majority of EK pilots are going to end up as DECs at some time in their careers, so spend some time thinking about how you might like to be treated in your next company by your work mates.
Sorry for getting off topic and on the soap box guys..
Think I'll go chill now....
Last edited by ShockWave; 24th September 2006 at 08:59.
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From: Gulf playing Golf
Well EK probably figured it takes a shorter time to teach a DEC to be an HF radio operator, than an FO to be a captain.
When I leave EK one day I will also be looking for a DEC job berfore an FO position....wouldnt you?
When I leave EK one day I will also be looking for a DEC job berfore an FO position....wouldnt you?
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From: mars
Not to take their side. Just stiring the pot.
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From: New Zealand
RTC,
I have learned from experience that it's best not to stir the pot because they get angry and then some threaten to ignore you. (Big deal by the way)
Best just to come straight out and tell it how it is. Nothing worse than fence sitters!
You LHR Rain come across like a big whinging kid and the next logical step for you is to call home collect and cry to mummy.
I have learned from experience that it's best not to stir the pot because they get angry and then some threaten to ignore you. (Big deal by the way)
Best just to come straight out and tell it how it is. Nothing worse than fence sitters!
You LHR Rain come across like a big whinging kid and the next logical step for you is to call home collect and cry to mummy.
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From: mars
You are absolutely right.....so I will not stir the pot. I am an FO and one day I will be a Captain. But to say I will be here forever is also not true. I might one day like to go elsewhere and I'd like to go as a Captain. We work all our lives to go forward in our careers; from the right seat to the left. It is very hard to start again physcologically and from a pay perspective. So people who say they will never do it are probably the people who will do it first. I do not agree with it but that is how the world runs and one day you will find yourself doing the same thing you said you would never do.
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From: Desert
I find it strangely ironic that I am being labeled for something that I might or might not do in the future. I have not done anything wrong or unethical. It is the DECs and the company that have done a disservice to the indusrty. Get it straight boys!
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From: Australia
Broakenenglish, I never expected to see that again!
I must have just been dumped on when I wrote it.
However, I wasn't griping at the DEcs , just the way EK had gone about it at that time and how it was going to effect us if things did not change.
Since then (I think)their conditions of employment have changed and ours as well. So I am not quite as bitter and twisted as I was then, thankfully, or I would probably have left by now. (or died)
I still just don't understand, why guys feel the need to get pissed off at DECs in general on a personal/professional basis. If you have a gripe about some one in particular fine.
If you feel that your career is being stuffed up by the company employing DECs then Get pissed at the company, as I was, and pointed out to me by broakenenglish above.
LHR rain: just how exactly are DECs to blame? Blame for what?
we can go back a little further and Blame, the idiot in Gulf air who couldn't fly an orbit at night or the F/O who could not take over!
They were to blame for the new requirements/ restrictions on upgrades, and while we're at it lets blame the guys who failed their upgrade transitions, which put a stop to that happening for a long time and now with heavy restrictions to try to prvent the same from happening. Or lets blame the guys who have had accidents and incidents within Ek lately and scared the !!!! out of everyone!
F-ckit lets blame all the guys that are yet to have their accidents as well
I must have just been dumped on when I wrote it.
However, I wasn't griping at the DEcs , just the way EK had gone about it at that time and how it was going to effect us if things did not change.
Since then (I think)their conditions of employment have changed and ours as well. So I am not quite as bitter and twisted as I was then, thankfully, or I would probably have left by now. (or died)
I still just don't understand, why guys feel the need to get pissed off at DECs in general on a personal/professional basis. If you have a gripe about some one in particular fine.
If you feel that your career is being stuffed up by the company employing DECs then Get pissed at the company, as I was, and pointed out to me by broakenenglish above.
LHR rain: just how exactly are DECs to blame? Blame for what?
we can go back a little further and Blame, the idiot in Gulf air who couldn't fly an orbit at night or the F/O who could not take over!
They were to blame for the new requirements/ restrictions on upgrades, and while we're at it lets blame the guys who failed their upgrade transitions, which put a stop to that happening for a long time and now with heavy restrictions to try to prvent the same from happening. Or lets blame the guys who have had accidents and incidents within Ek lately and scared the !!!! out of everyone!
F-ckit lets blame all the guys that are yet to have their accidents as well
Last edited by ShockWave; 25th September 2006 at 11:18.
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From: mars
LHR, I half way agree....I don't blame the DECs at all, I blame the company. Like I said in one of my posting that we have made flying here a science and a nightmare in getting an upgrade here. There is only so many ways to fly an aircraft, lets not make it a harder than it is and upgrade the many qualified FO's here that are capable and let us not frett over the small stupid things they ask you in the interview. It is funny when you are a captain and having the big picture means something completely different as to when you are an FO trying to get an upgrade and trying to make a good impression on the people that are giving you the upgrade. You aren't a good pilot if you don't consider everything being an FO trying to get to the left seat, but being a captain it shows that you are prioritizing. Is there a solution, yes, upgrade all those that are entitled to it and that have been in the company for 3yrs and know the network. I think we are scared of our own shadow that something is bound to happen. As far as DECs go, nothing against them....but that is just me.