EK Overseas Basings.
Grandpa Aerotart
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From: SWP
EK Oz recruiting/basing
A fairly well connected and knowledgeable birdy in Oz tells me the current recruiting drive in Australia is actually for Oz based tech crew.
Terms and Conditions that 'make Jetstar look good'.
When you think about what is going on in DXB with accomodation, traffic etc and with daily flights it actually makes sense from EK's perspective to start opening bases and hire locally on lower cost base...i.e no accom, utilities and get yourself to work.
Your thoughts guys?
Terms and Conditions that 'make Jetstar look good'.
When you think about what is going on in DXB with accomodation, traffic etc and with daily flights it actually makes sense from EK's perspective to start opening bases and hire locally on lower cost base...i.e no accom, utilities and get yourself to work.
Your thoughts guys?
Grandpa Aerotart
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I am amazed you think it so unlikely...with so many new aeroplanes arriving, daily flights to various Oz ports and seemingly having difficulty attracting 'suitable' applicants to the sandpit I would think employing aircrew on hugely reduced costs compared to DXB based pilots would be a really attractive idea to EK management.
But you guys know better, obviously.
But you guys know better, obviously.
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From: In the State of Perpetual Confusion
Originally Posted by Contacted
If EK did completely reverse 20 years of basing pilots in Dubai, these would probably be offered in order of seniority.
I think it unlikely EK would offer overseas basings to new recruits.
I think it unlikely EK would offer overseas basings to new recruits.
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From: Canada
EK Basings: New Services Announced Soon
Mr. Ed talking about trying to introduce basings in EK. (Yes, I know we've heard it all before.)
Coincides with the commercial boys talking about EK getting 4 services a day approved into three Australian capitals (presumably Melbourne, Sydney, Perth). I'm a little unsure how they are going to operate them, paticularly when HR are saying that pilot applications are down 50%.
Coincides with the commercial boys talking about EK getting 4 services a day approved into three Australian capitals (presumably Melbourne, Sydney, Perth). I'm a little unsure how they are going to operate them, paticularly when HR are saying that pilot applications are down 50%.
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It'll never happen - it makes too much sense.
For those who think it will solve the recruiting problem; the only way it could do that was if they formed a separate company or employed 'based' pilots under a contract not made available to currently employed pilots - because no new hire would get a distant look-in if it was made available to all.
For those who think it will solve the recruiting problem; the only way it could do that was if they formed a separate company or employed 'based' pilots under a contract not made available to currently employed pilots - because no new hire would get a distant look-in if it was made available to all.
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From: Here and there
Actually they worked very well for many years as AS would admit. They just became an (expensive) irrelevance after the introduction of the much more reliable 747-400, which coincided with a calming in the aviation industrial relations scene in Oz. The disruption of the 70s and 80s just stopped and so did the Sydney basings - which were only for 3 months at a time anyway.
To be a worthwhile proposition you would require cabin crew basings too, plus the support infrastructure plus standbys plus...............
To be a worthwhile proposition you would require cabin crew basings too, plus the support infrastructure plus standbys plus...............
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From: Far Away
Raised with Mr Ed at my resig interview and also my leaving interview.
Categoric NO based on:-
1) Employmnet laws and unions exist in UK UK & Aust.EK will not entertain.2)"Profound" opposition down that "corridor" ie TCAS,AH,AAR.
Long term possibly,mediumterm ummm,short term no.
Heads buried very deep in the sand except Mr Ed who has his head in the clouds.
Cheers QB
Categoric NO based on:-
1) Employmnet laws and unions exist in UK UK & Aust.EK will not entertain.2)"Profound" opposition down that "corridor" ie TCAS,AH,AAR.
Long term possibly,mediumterm ummm,short term no.
Heads buried very deep in the sand except Mr Ed who has his head in the clouds.
Cheers QB
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From: Dubai
Control, control and control. The thing that would be lost if basings happened. EK can't afford to have rogue pilots taking them to Court for 'not so legal' practices when they no longer come under the jurisdiction of the UAE. It's a minefield that won't be crossed for a long, long time. But the rumour of basings might keep those that are thinking of leaving around a bit longer. 
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Sounds like a recruiting tool. It's not as if the bosses aren't aware that this might be a panacea to some of their recruiting probs. The recruiting lads have been giving a 'nudge and a wink' to the DEC fellows who ask when there will be basings. 'It'll happen for sure'. For sure.
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From: The Beach
Sounds like a recruiting tool, nudge,nudge, wink, wink , no guarantees, but !!!!!
We used to have guys with integrity in recruitment,what happened.
It's almost a pity that the newbies don't realise that there are 1500 guys ahead of them in the queue for the mythical basing.....same as recruitment still promising, fingers crossed, that it's still 3 years to command...............................
I think that even with overseas basings not much would change with resignations...probably because at the end of the day you would still be working for EK.
Do we really think that EK would increase the salary scales for London, Paris, New York, etc, etc to cover the taxation issues, schooling, housing, medical, pension,,,and the list goes on...Ek is a low cost carrier in the cheapest sense imaginable.
I for one think that there is more chance of AAR munching down a bacon sandwich with a nice cold stubby at the next pilots meeting than there is of basings on a reasonable contract. So I for one wont be holding my breath.
We used to have guys with integrity in recruitment,what happened.
It's almost a pity that the newbies don't realise that there are 1500 guys ahead of them in the queue for the mythical basing.....same as recruitment still promising, fingers crossed, that it's still 3 years to command...............................
I think that even with overseas basings not much would change with resignations...probably because at the end of the day you would still be working for EK.
Do we really think that EK would increase the salary scales for London, Paris, New York, etc, etc to cover the taxation issues, schooling, housing, medical, pension,,,and the list goes on...Ek is a low cost carrier in the cheapest sense imaginable.
I for one think that there is more chance of AAR munching down a bacon sandwich with a nice cold stubby at the next pilots meeting than there is of basings on a reasonable contract. So I for one wont be holding my breath.
