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MAX,
No one from recruitment will read this, the pilots who used to be in recruitment resigned a while ago, now it's only HR people who will recruit, and don't think they are on pprune - lack of aviation interest..
On the other hand, no worries.. latest I heard is that they take about anyone who is showing up for the interview. Weird thing for a company with so many (suitable???) candidates...
Course that started yesterday: again one A330 F/O who failed to show up, 7 others did though..
MR8
No one from recruitment will read this, the pilots who used to be in recruitment resigned a while ago, now it's only HR people who will recruit, and don't think they are on pprune - lack of aviation interest..
On the other hand, no worries.. latest I heard is that they take about anyone who is showing up for the interview. Weird thing for a company with so many (suitable???) candidates...
Course that started yesterday: again one A330 F/O who failed to show up, 7 others did though..
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You really are getting in a 'flap' over this aren't you! Like many other moaners on this forum you appear quick to attack those that try to disagree with your negativity or at the very least, be subjective in their views. I for one, am sick and tired of the constant bitching and whinging that goes on here and wonder at times whether this is the same Company we all work for. As someone has previously said on here, if we'd been given 50% there'd be people out there still complaining. I'm sure you'd be one of them. Like every Airline in this World, Emirates has it's faults and it's frustrations. Show me one that doesn't. We don't have a Union and for many,yes,this forum is an opportunity to express those frustrations in the hope that something is done. Managment do read PPrune i'm sure.
What you and many like you fail to grasp, is that there are plenty of us here who are happy and not all from Asia with no previous command time.
What right have you to accuse other fellow pilots of being 'gutless scavangers' when you offer no examples of your own efforts to seek better terms and conditions or of lobbying for improvements. Have you had the ' honour and courage of your convictions to contact AAR or AS? Or perhaps the real courage to call him TCAS to his face. NO, I doubt very much you have. And the laughable point of all this is that it's YOU whose unhappy here.
I have great respect for those that do vote with their feet when unhappy and equal respect for those that make the most from life no matter what.
You choose to do neither and for that, it's you who should be ashamed !
You really are getting in a 'flap' over this aren't you! Like many other moaners on this forum you appear quick to attack those that try to disagree with your negativity or at the very least, be subjective in their views. I for one, am sick and tired of the constant bitching and whinging that goes on here and wonder at times whether this is the same Company we all work for. As someone has previously said on here, if we'd been given 50% there'd be people out there still complaining. I'm sure you'd be one of them. Like every Airline in this World, Emirates has it's faults and it's frustrations. Show me one that doesn't. We don't have a Union and for many,yes,this forum is an opportunity to express those frustrations in the hope that something is done. Managment do read PPrune i'm sure.
What you and many like you fail to grasp, is that there are plenty of us here who are happy and not all from Asia with no previous command time.
What right have you to accuse other fellow pilots of being 'gutless scavangers' when you offer no examples of your own efforts to seek better terms and conditions or of lobbying for improvements. Have you had the ' honour and courage of your convictions to contact AAR or AS? Or perhaps the real courage to call him TCAS to his face. NO, I doubt very much you have. And the laughable point of all this is that it's YOU whose unhappy here.
I have great respect for those that do vote with their feet when unhappy and equal respect for those that make the most from life no matter what.
You choose to do neither and for that, it's you who should be ashamed !
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It would be interesting to hear EXACTLY what would satisfy the likes of Bird On or SS.
If not EK, which Airline in the world does meet your criteria for a first rate employer?
I suspect that no matter which Airline you nominate there will be Flight Crew from that Airline who will tell you it stinks!!
If not EK, which Airline in the world does meet your criteria for a first rate employer?
I suspect that no matter which Airline you nominate there will be Flight Crew from that Airline who will tell you it stinks!!
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Obfuscation,
Yesterdays course is 4 groups A330, but 1 guy didn't show up, hence 7 guys, and 2 guys started on the B777.
This A330 course has been planned for over 5 months, is not a reaction regarding no factoring anymore and thus the lack of Airbus crew we have..
MR8
Yesterdays course is 4 groups A330, but 1 guy didn't show up, hence 7 guys, and 2 guys started on the B777.
This A330 course has been planned for over 5 months, is not a reaction regarding no factoring anymore and thus the lack of Airbus crew we have..
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Dear Mr. MR8
I am suitable,dont be inferior to fellow pilots on the basis that the selection process is now looking in markets they did'nt use to,maybe they feel we wont be bitching all the time since we appreciate their T&C's and we know that it's in fact greener on thier side unlike some on this forum.Just an opinion
I was only kidding when I talked about recruitment viewing this forum,one think I am sure of about EK is the lack of sense of humor of thier drivres
Over and Out
MAX
I am suitable,dont be inferior to fellow pilots on the basis that the selection process is now looking in markets they did'nt use to,maybe they feel we wont be bitching all the time since we appreciate their T&C's and we know that it's in fact greener on thier side unlike some on this forum.Just an opinion
I was only kidding when I talked about recruitment viewing this forum,one think I am sure of about EK is the lack of sense of humor of thier drivres
Over and Out
MAX
Good luck Max. Hope it works out for you. You will find there are a great bunch of fellas here to be working with.
Don
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MAXMELDO if you read carefully MR8's post, it is not personally talking about you, it is talking about the system and how although Emirates management talks about loads of qualified candidates applying, they seem not to be showing up for interviews. The fact that you caught on to it and took it personal probably means, that you do not feel that comfortable with yourself. I also notice that before you even join Emirates you have started to have a negative view about the guys here.... It will not get you far..... You are right though, Emirates is about perceptions, it depends where you came from and where you want to go. If you come from, as you mention, a ****ty little outfit, or even one which is a flag carrier but is worse than Emirates, then yes you will enjoy it. The point is that we were all hired here because of our expertise. We have something to offer Emirates, in return for what we thought would be a good salary and a good stable and rewarding career. Emirates has gone from strength to strength because it has hired good people in all departments and has taken their expertise and profited on them. They have gained from all of us and it shows when you compare Emirates to other regional or world airlines. The trend has changed though, and now Emirates is hiring guys that have nothing to offer, and are just doing a job. You will see for yourself if you are accepted, that when you stop investing in your business, when you stop hiring in talent, when all you are interested in, is for guys who do not bitch and moan, and have nothing to offer except take from your employement, then you start losing the competetive edge, and you also suffer financialy and operationaly. Do not take my word for it, look at Gulfair, look at Boeing. They both suffered because they stopped doing what they were doing well... they went for maximizing profits, not providing a good product. It is a fact that every airline that started eroding its package stopped being on the cutting edge...
Finaly since we are talking about perceptions and how Emirates does its business, all you have to do is go to our Headquarters and look at our building. It has been renovated to look great on the outside and where people see it on the ground floor. They have gone to great lengths to make it look posh and inviting. Once you get on the elevator and get on the inside you can see the true picture of the environment where employees work. An old building which is just average. Emirates is all about image and marketing, it has a great package on the outside and just averageon the inside as our EGHQ building....
Keep Discovering
Finaly since we are talking about perceptions and how Emirates does its business, all you have to do is go to our Headquarters and look at our building. It has been renovated to look great on the outside and where people see it on the ground floor. They have gone to great lengths to make it look posh and inviting. Once you get on the elevator and get on the inside you can see the true picture of the environment where employees work. An old building which is just average. Emirates is all about image and marketing, it has a great package on the outside and just averageon the inside as our EGHQ building....
Keep Discovering
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I fail to see what you are trying to say in your last paragraph. Would you rather have the money spent on poshing up the offices only to leave the public areas in a sad state. They do have a product to sell remember. And by the way it should be stated that a new ops center is curently under construction which will be a nicer work enviroment for the people in the office.
Now for a possitive spin on things. While some things have been changed for the worst, I still think it is one of the best companies out there. If and when things are eroded to a point where I can't take it anymore I will leave as soon as I find something else that is better. Simple, is it not?
My family and I like it here and we will try to stay positive or i fear life will deteriorate to something very sad.
For someone considering working here count on 6 years to command and be happy if it is less. Not happy with that then by all means try somewhere else. Simple, is it not?
As for the raise this year it equals $818 US for me and it will be worth more every year from now on. By the way $818 a month at 9% interest over 15 years is $300,000.
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Now for a possitive spin on things. While some things have been changed for the worst, I still think it is one of the best companies out there. If and when things are eroded to a point where I can't take it anymore I will leave as soon as I find something else that is better. Simple, is it not?
My family and I like it here and we will try to stay positive or i fear life will deteriorate to something very sad.
For someone considering working here count on 6 years to command and be happy if it is less. Not happy with that then by all means try somewhere else. Simple, is it not?
As for the raise this year it equals $818 US for me and it will be worth more every year from now on. By the way $818 a month at 9% interest over 15 years is $300,000.
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Gents,
Regarding the 330 course that started yesterday, it has been scheduled since the first of the year. This is in preperation for the 2 340's that come in September and October. We need 330 F/O's trained, which takes 3 months, to replace the F/O's who will be trained to fly the new 340-500's. At the last Pilots meeting someone said we will have 2 new joining classes for the Airbus this year, along with 2 upgrade classes, and this is the first one.
The upgrades have increased, and hopefully the new joiners will also.
I was also told by a mate in training that we have gotten AAR to approve buying outside sim time and we are looking for open sim time on the 330/340 anywhere in the world.
Regards,
330 Man
Regarding the 330 course that started yesterday, it has been scheduled since the first of the year. This is in preperation for the 2 340's that come in September and October. We need 330 F/O's trained, which takes 3 months, to replace the F/O's who will be trained to fly the new 340-500's. At the last Pilots meeting someone said we will have 2 new joining classes for the Airbus this year, along with 2 upgrade classes, and this is the first one.
The upgrades have increased, and hopefully the new joiners will also.
I was also told by a mate in training that we have gotten AAR to approve buying outside sim time and we are looking for open sim time on the 330/340 anywhere in the world.
Regards,
330 Man
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Max,
My comments on degrading recruitment doesn't state anything concerning your ability or professionality. This was just a remark on recruitment, lack of pilots in there and standards which seem to go down big time.. (just ask some of the trainers..)
I'm sorry if you felt attacked personally, and I take the complete blame if you took offence.. I should have known better:
Never assume that a general completely non-offensive remark will not offend someone of a different culture or with a different background...
I've been flying EK for a year now, and that is exactly one of the things that takes the fun out of flying with some guys.. you have to roll your tongue 5 times, count to 10 and then think again over what you were about to say, because it might offence the chief... Those are the flights I don't like to much..
Then again, most of the time I fly with people who are open-minded, who are clever enough not to take offence to a general remark and who have enough humour to understand I joke or a 'tongue-in-cheek' remark when one is told.. I know in which category you belong... (apologies again... )
My comments on degrading recruitment doesn't state anything concerning your ability or professionality. This was just a remark on recruitment, lack of pilots in there and standards which seem to go down big time.. (just ask some of the trainers..)
I'm sorry if you felt attacked personally, and I take the complete blame if you took offence.. I should have known better:
Never assume that a general completely non-offensive remark will not offend someone of a different culture or with a different background...
I've been flying EK for a year now, and that is exactly one of the things that takes the fun out of flying with some guys.. you have to roll your tongue 5 times, count to 10 and then think again over what you were about to say, because it might offence the chief... Those are the flights I don't like to much..
Then again, most of the time I fly with people who are open-minded, who are clever enough not to take offence to a general remark and who have enough humour to understand I joke or a 'tongue-in-cheek' remark when one is told.. I know in which category you belong... (apologies again...
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Well MR8,i'll have to change my remark on EK drivers not having any sense of humor,it seems that we started on the wrong foot here,but its a trickey bussiness interperting cultural differences in perception of stuff,one which I my self face as much as you do,I must read between the lines and you must write between them,which ofcourse takes the catch of any remark/joke.
Now EZGO,me not biting this time
,I am a quick learner ,but I cant stop my self nibbiling at some comments you said,what did YOU have to offer EK,that no one else has?
To make a long story short,we as pilots should be capable of handling our problems in a better manner since it's the core of our jobs,how to act under pressure,what ever the source maybe.
Over and Out
MAX
PS. Thanks DON
Now EZGO,me not biting this time
,I am a quick learner ,but I cant stop my self nibbiling at some comments you said,what did YOU have to offer EK,that no one else has?To make a long story short,we as pilots should be capable of handling our problems in a better manner since it's the core of our jobs,how to act under pressure,what ever the source maybe.
Over and Out
MAX
PS. Thanks DON
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Don't do the same mistakes, guys.
Don't trust the Arabs. Dubai is like a bubble - it'll burst in the near future.
The same with all the mad men in DOH and BAH or SHJ.
Excessive costs of living (100's of % in a few years), almost no salery increase (GF nil for decades), only exchange rate prot. of 50% in EK, heat, everywhere sand (in your pants, eyes, ears, car, bed...)
Unfair treatment between locals and expats.
Hope you're not married - cause that's what they're looking for. Married guys have to take more sh.. From both ends - work and wife.
There are nice things too, but mainly in the beginning - when everything is new and exciting and shiny.
Be safe and wise.
Don't trust the Arabs. Dubai is like a bubble - it'll burst in the near future.
The same with all the mad men in DOH and BAH or SHJ.
Excessive costs of living (100's of % in a few years), almost no salery increase (GF nil for decades), only exchange rate prot. of 50% in EK, heat, everywhere sand (in your pants, eyes, ears, car, bed...)
Unfair treatment between locals and expats.
Hope you're not married - cause that's what they're looking for. Married guys have to take more sh.. From both ends - work and wife.
There are nice things too, but mainly in the beginning - when everything is new and exciting and shiny.
Be safe and wise.
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Some of what you say might be true, but is the lifestyle any better in TST or Central for that matter
You need a knife to cut through the pollution. No racial comments from me but........living in HK ?? I can still golf and enjoy the beach over here among other outdoor activities, without a face mask
It's not perfect but I do enjoy my time off,
Salty
You need a knife to cut through the pollution. No racial comments from me but........living in HK ?? I can still golf and enjoy the beach over here among other outdoor activities, without a face mask It's not perfect but I do enjoy my time off,
Salty
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Must say that this has indeed turned out to be an interesting post where there's a nice cross-section of views. Both positve and negative. Great stuff. Can't wait to get there really. Going to buy my tickets today. Wish me luck.
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