Advce to EK (bewildered) Hopeful
BYMONEK,
Your point would be true if all income was to be spent (eg. EK FO). However, if you have a bit left over...it would be twice as much (percentage wise...if 60% goes in bills, of the 40% left over, his would be bigger than yours).
So really I guess Trashed is correct.
Very well presented argument though...keep up the good work.
Don
Your point would be true if all income was to be spent (eg. EK FO). However, if you have a bit left over...it would be twice as much (percentage wise...if 60% goes in bills, of the 40% left over, his would be bigger than yours).
So really I guess Trashed is correct.
Very well presented argument though...keep up the good work.
Don
This reference to round...is that a fat joke? Taking it that Mrs Pizmeov has a water cooled credit card the number left over may be small, but always enough for a round or two.
Don
Don
Hoped you would get that. And I guess that is kinda a fat joke as well....oh dear!
Don
Don
Disappointed old son - wish I was in the camera business, then I might make a decent living
. But I'm not!! Pity the rest of the family's doing so damn well!!
Just because I - and my family (the important thing boys and girls) - enjoy living here doesn't always mean that I'm overawed by the whacking unpayrise of 8 whole %, the prospect of more DEC's where they're not wanted, I could go on - BUT, like I say, what the hell's wrong with looking on the bright side? Too many pessimists in this outfit if you ask me.
The more who leave, the better for those of us who stay
As for living in HK discussion, and as to who's bigger (or fatter) - who wants to live in a pokey little apartment? That's all you'll get over there!!
. But I'm not!! Pity the rest of the family's doing so damn well!! Just because I - and my family (the important thing boys and girls) - enjoy living here doesn't always mean that I'm overawed by the whacking unpayrise of 8 whole %, the prospect of more DEC's where they're not wanted, I could go on - BUT, like I say, what the hell's wrong with looking on the bright side? Too many pessimists in this outfit if you ask me.
The more who leave, the better for those of us who stay
As for living in HK discussion, and as to who's bigger (or fatter) - who wants to live in a pokey little apartment? That's all you'll get over there!!
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Emirates changes a lot in the last 3 years for what I read.
EK policy about DEC just to save a course sucks. If you want to save a command course, just type the FO on the left side from the start. The day you need them, give them 4 bars, a kick in the b...t, put him more money in his bank, and send him to fly. You can do that legally, just let them make 3 to and 3 ldg under supervition on the left side every 3 monts and end of story, an other 3 on a class D simulator on the recurrent, end of story. In my opinion a Type rating is to let you fly left or right, to be a captain is a company desition. I think some crazy guy in managment want to make flying a mistery. FO Flying in the Left or in the right side he is still an FO, captain is captain, even flying in row number 40B eating dinner. I dont understand when managment want to save money doing stup....d things. You can save money and have everyone happy. All the FO at Emirates are very very experience to do that.
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EK policy about DEC just to save a course sucks. If you want to save a command course, just type the FO on the left side from the start. The day you need them, give them 4 bars, a kick in the b...t, put him more money in his bank, and send him to fly. You can do that legally, just let them make 3 to and 3 ldg under supervition on the left side every 3 monts and end of story, an other 3 on a class D simulator on the recurrent, end of story. In my opinion a Type rating is to let you fly left or right, to be a captain is a company desition. I think some crazy guy in managment want to make flying a mistery. FO Flying in the Left or in the right side he is still an FO, captain is captain, even flying in row number 40B eating dinner. I dont understand when managment want to save money doing stup....d things. You can save money and have everyone happy. All the FO at Emirates are very very experience to do that.
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Er,Mig 21 my son,have you had a few?
I got lost with the eating dinner bit.
Point is,they do as they wish,with no representation the door awaits or put up with the propaganda.
Have another,and lie down in a dark room.
North 35,good luck mate.QB
I got lost with the eating dinner bit.
Point is,they do as they wish,with no representation the door awaits or put up with the propaganda.
Have another,and lie down in a dark room.
North 35,good luck mate.QB
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4HP, why in your big experience if you let an FO fly left side would be anarchy. Flying is a mistery now? Commander is commander regarthless the side you seat. Left side dont make you better pilo. Some companys do that, and never have a safety problem because of that policy. The Worst accidents in history are with very exprienced managment, with very experienced captains in left side and FO on right side. Almost non accident happen because of a FO on the left side, and capt on right side, that is stadistics, like it or not. Making mistery by pilots and management that are not sure about their own capacity and abilities is what makes anarchy in a company. Like it or not, mi idea is proved. Several companies I used to fly they type experienced FO on left side, and let you fly there, none of them ever have any problem with that policy. I´ve done it as an FO and as a Capt. No mistery doing that as a Capt, my call, I do it if I want. The only incidents they ever have where with 2 captains flying the same plane. 2 captains in a plane, thats generates anarchy. And several big companies do it. Some capts they just love to put the bu..t in the left seat and live, eat and sleep there for ever and ever, thinking they will be better captains because of that, thinking they will be more respected, that is the true about doing this. Not anarchy.
My idea is just an idea, a proved idea but only an idea, nothing more than that. End of story.
QB, Of course they will do what they want, and Emirates doing what they want generates more anachy and pilots not happy than my st....d and proven idea.
My idea is just an idea, a proved idea but only an idea, nothing more than that. End of story.
QB, Of course they will do what they want, and Emirates doing what they want generates more anachy and pilots not happy than my st....d and proven idea.
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Give him a chance guys, he has a point. Not many accidents happen with the F/O in the left seat and the Capt in the right. Come to think of it I can't remember an accident where there was a Water Buffalo in the left seat either, or a Gerbil bound in gaffer tape for the matter! (Apparently people do that to the little fellas...)
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I just put an idea, just an idea, to save money without doing harm in the pilots community. The last time I look at pprune the idea of a forum is to put ideas, like them or not. You always learn with ideas. This is a forum. But someone told me that mi idea could generate anarchy. I just disagree with that opinion.
No, for what you post here in this forum, luckly enough I dont fly for emirates. I would last 3 days there with the st...d managment there, specially with DEC policy. In this crazy world I am lucky enough to be flying at in home country at the moment, in 2 years I dont know.
Vorsicht, I am from a spanish speaking country and my written english is bad because I dont practice it as much as I want, but I am right with my point, no mater if I passed a written english assessment for my english. Most pilots that dont like my idea are in general pilots, captains and specially management dudes that are not sure about their own flying skills, not because of safety. Crazy is to seat 2 captains together in a flight, that can cause accidents. that generates anarchy. Too many chiefs and not enough indians. Bad decitions that cause accidents are done by pilots, not seats. And good decitions that save lifes are also done by pilots, not seats.
I agree that in a company like ryanair, easy jet, with FO with 200 hs TT, you can not put them on the left, specially on aircraft that you dont have steering on the right side, that would be insane and a safety issue. My point or idea is only valid in companies like emirates, were almost every FO is experienced enough to land a plane for their own.
Lets finish this now, good luck to all and I hope you fly and make lots of us or euros in your bank accounts. And keep the wifes away of those accounts.
No, for what you post here in this forum, luckly enough I dont fly for emirates. I would last 3 days there with the st...d managment there, specially with DEC policy. In this crazy world I am lucky enough to be flying at in home country at the moment, in 2 years I dont know.
Vorsicht, I am from a spanish speaking country and my written english is bad because I dont practice it as much as I want, but I am right with my point, no mater if I passed a written english assessment for my english. Most pilots that dont like my idea are in general pilots, captains and specially management dudes that are not sure about their own flying skills, not because of safety. Crazy is to seat 2 captains together in a flight, that can cause accidents. that generates anarchy. Too many chiefs and not enough indians. Bad decitions that cause accidents are done by pilots, not seats. And good decitions that save lifes are also done by pilots, not seats.
I agree that in a company like ryanair, easy jet, with FO with 200 hs TT, you can not put them on the left, specially on aircraft that you dont have steering on the right side, that would be insane and a safety issue. My point or idea is only valid in companies like emirates, were almost every FO is experienced enough to land a plane for their own.
Lets finish this now, good luck to all and I hope you fly and make lots of us or euros in your bank accounts. And keep the wifes away of those accounts.
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Mig21...
Thank you for your thrust in EK F/O's.. we can almost all land a plane on our own. I knew I could do it, although I still didn't figure out what that 'DUAL INPUT' call is about just before the plane calls me 'RETARD'.
On a more serious note.. I completely disagree with you Mig21. Putting a F/O left or right for landing is completely not cost effective.. It might be oke for a little mickey mouse airline back in Argentina, but when you consider pilots being qualified on A330, A340-200 and A340-500, you will need recency on these aircraft (ok, only as 330 and 340). Even now, while keeping to our own seat for approach and landing, people who are qualified on both 330 and 340 have to pay attention not to loose 330 recency, so when you want us to do that for both seats, it would be a hell of a problem for the rostering guys, leading to more f*ck ups, delayed flights and loosing money actually..
Also, in your little Cessna, it's not very difficult to swap seats, but in a real airliner you would be surprised how different the look is on both sides of the flight deck, you really have to look for some switches whitch you would be able to find blindfolded from your regular seat. You might experience the same thing if you swap side when sitting in front of that nice shiny B777 cockpit poster in your bedroom...
BTW: I am aware of cost cutting in Biz aviaion, one aircraft operated by 3 guys. 2 to fly the aircraft while the 3rd is sitting at home during his days of. You would need at least one guy who can do both sides, but that's not an airline...
Apart from that, you are completely right...
Thank you for your thrust in EK F/O's.. we can almost all land a plane on our own. I knew I could do it, although I still didn't figure out what that 'DUAL INPUT' call is about just before the plane calls me 'RETARD'.
On a more serious note.. I completely disagree with you Mig21. Putting a F/O left or right for landing is completely not cost effective.. It might be oke for a little mickey mouse airline back in Argentina, but when you consider pilots being qualified on A330, A340-200 and A340-500, you will need recency on these aircraft (ok, only as 330 and 340). Even now, while keeping to our own seat for approach and landing, people who are qualified on both 330 and 340 have to pay attention not to loose 330 recency, so when you want us to do that for both seats, it would be a hell of a problem for the rostering guys, leading to more f*ck ups, delayed flights and loosing money actually..
Also, in your little Cessna, it's not very difficult to swap seats, but in a real airliner you would be surprised how different the look is on both sides of the flight deck, you really have to look for some switches whitch you would be able to find blindfolded from your regular seat. You might experience the same thing if you swap side when sitting in front of that nice shiny B777 cockpit poster in your bedroom...
BTW: I am aware of cost cutting in Biz aviaion, one aircraft operated by 3 guys. 2 to fly the aircraft while the 3rd is sitting at home during his days of. You would need at least one guy who can do both sides, but that's not an airline...
Apart from that, you are completely right...
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I respect your oppinion MR8, it is valid and thinking from your point of view, you are right, that will be a problem, having currency in both seats, specially in the Plastic plane with the CCQ. For the mickey mouse expression you said you are from Australia or NZ, I am right? The problem is that my mickey mouse airline in argentina has one of the best safety records in the last 30 years for world airlines and is profitable because is managed by monkeys from the 3rd World that collect bananas to pay the Jet fuel. If you want to disagree with me, fine, but try not to desrespect me. One thing I want to correct you, is that your plastic model plane, sorry I mean the Airbus 340, is a little plane compared with my little Boeing 747. My APU is has more power than your engines. No more little cessnas for me. Good luck MR8 and respect other people oppinion, something called Cockpit Resourse Management can help, its usefull I think, at least thats what ICAO recomend us.
And ratpoison, you can borrow you my banana when ever you need it, just wait until your girlfriend finish with it, you are number 2 for landing
And ratpoison, you can borrow you my banana when ever you need it, just wait until your girlfriend finish with it, you are number 2 for landing
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