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I never said it was high but always rides the higher side of normal.
Alistrol brings it well down into normal which also means I relax more when getting it taken.
H Please excuse my style of posting which can be challenging of conventional practice and is designed to encourage discussion I use the same style in the flying forums
Yes I agree the drug companies are there to develop drugs I just wish scientific research had the same budgets then understanding and cures could possibly come faster and yes I do not think drugs are the answer to all our ills yet a pill is expected for every ill.
I never said it was high but always rides the higher side of normal.
Alistrol brings it well down into normal which also means I relax more when getting it taken.
H Please excuse my style of posting which can be challenging of conventional practice and is designed to encourage discussion I use the same style in the flying forums
Yes I agree the drug companies are there to develop drugs I just wish scientific research had the same budgets then understanding and cures could possibly come faster and yes I do not think drugs are the answer to all our ills yet a pill is expected for every ill.
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Alistrol claims to be all natural, containing herb, fruit and seed extract. However the US fda disagrees Alistrol Health 6/26/12 .
I regularly monitor my BP and four Alistrol a day reduced it by 25/15, with all other factors remaining constant.
Alistrol claims to be all natural, containing herb, fruit and seed extract. However the US fda disagrees Alistrol Health 6/26/12 .
I regularly monitor my BP and four Alistrol a day reduced it by 25/15, with all other factors remaining constant.
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Alistrol claims to be all natural, containing herb, fruit and seed extract.
Looking at the web site for Alistrol, it looks all nifty-sciencey. Even has a "clinical" section. But clicking on several of the references to research yields just more opinions and anecdotal reports. No true scientific study results.
I don't know if the stuff works or not. Neither does anybody else. And nobody is counting up the adverse effects. If you take it, you are engaging in your own private research study.
Like most of the "alternative" treatments.
And like the kids taking designer drugs in night clubs on Saturday night.
The difference is they are young and naive
A couple of years ago we had several deaths in London from people taking natural herbs the Chinese had been using for years. Only problem was that they contained lethal doses of heavy metals.
At least you can sue your doctor........
The difference is they are young and naive
A couple of years ago we had several deaths in London from people taking natural herbs the Chinese had been using for years. Only problem was that they contained lethal doses of heavy metals.
At least you can sue your doctor........
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Only a month ago sleeping tablets churned out for years were discovered even if taken 15 years ago to dramatically increase your chances of developing dementia.
As for Statins ??? ;(
On too regular a basis drugs that we are reassured are safe are discovered to be far from safe so its not just alternative medicine which is questionable
As for Statins ??? ;(
On too regular a basis drugs that we are reassured are safe are discovered to be far from safe so its not just alternative medicine which is questionable
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No we are NOT getting onto statins again - which are quite safe and possibly offer the opportunity of saving more lives than any other drug
Nor am I going to rise to the bait on benzodiazepines where there is NO evidence of anything dramatic merely a possible rise
But the difference compared to non prescription chemicals is very important - benzodiazepines and statins were both rigorously tested before anyone was prescribed a single tablet. And the research never stops so very subtle potential links that can only be identified after millions of doses are marked up so we can take account of them. Non prescribed drugs are not tested before, during or after people have taken them
Nor am I going to rise to the bait on benzodiazepines where there is NO evidence of anything dramatic merely a possible rise
But the difference compared to non prescription chemicals is very important - benzodiazepines and statins were both rigorously tested before anyone was prescribed a single tablet. And the research never stops so very subtle potential links that can only be identified after millions of doses are marked up so we can take account of them. Non prescribed drugs are not tested before, during or after people have taken them
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I've always maintained 115/75 on every medical although I don't really do nothin' to
deserve it - bumming OP smokes at pissups (and pissing up more than I should),
minimal exercise, late nights, bugger-all sleep associated with crappy rosters. But me
own pressure went down yonks ago (from 130/85) after I decided not to bottle up
emotions ever again. In other words spill your guts, say your piece, then forget it....
and the poonce who caused the distress.
That and losing some weight.
Regular shagging is supposed to help too but I haven't a bloody clue how - I'd blow
the mercury clean off the top if one was to measure mine in mid-bonk!
Table I wouldn't put too much faith in that chart - read the author's comments.
deserve it - bumming OP smokes at pissups (and pissing up more than I should),
minimal exercise, late nights, bugger-all sleep associated with crappy rosters. But me
own pressure went down yonks ago (from 130/85) after I decided not to bottle up
emotions ever again. In other words spill your guts, say your piece, then forget it....
and the poonce who caused the distress.
That and losing some weight.
Regular shagging is supposed to help too but I haven't a bloody clue how - I'd blow
the mercury clean off the top if one was to measure mine in mid-bonk!
Table I wouldn't put too much faith in that chart - read the author's comments.
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It is sometimes possible to spot the "coital blip" on the 30minute/ 24 hour tape. I was a little saddened to find it didn't show up on mine !
I'm not against alternative/natural remedies. My reservations are probably born out of the fact that I peddle enough rubbish, and I'm not keen on anyone else peddling more wares that aren't evidence based.
I do have some sympathy with the celery brigade- after all, there's no mileage in spending money on multi-centred, double blind, randomised control trials.
Unfortunately, before we can recommend things, we have to be fairly certain that the intervention makes a difference to the outcome. We have to, we're spending your money at the end of the day.
I reckon, on the scale of things, I'm fairly certain that a third of the stuff I dole out, the other third is dubious, the other third........
I'm not against alternative/natural remedies. My reservations are probably born out of the fact that I peddle enough rubbish, and I'm not keen on anyone else peddling more wares that aren't evidence based.
I do have some sympathy with the celery brigade- after all, there's no mileage in spending money on multi-centred, double blind, randomised control trials.
Unfortunately, before we can recommend things, we have to be fairly certain that the intervention makes a difference to the outcome. We have to, we're spending your money at the end of the day.
I reckon, on the scale of things, I'm fairly certain that a third of the stuff I dole out, the other third is dubious, the other third........
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I think according to this chart your BP is normal so nothing to worry. If you feel you are not well then visit doctor or do regular exercise. Exercise really help in controlling your BP.
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Unfortunately, a raised bp often doesn't result in feeling unwell.
Which is why asking patients to take tablets which can potentially make them feel unwell can be difficult
Which is why asking patients to take tablets which can potentially make them feel unwell can be difficult
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oh well
I think that when the "powers that be" keep lowering the bar, they make us all the more certain that this is all about money, eg for years it was 120/80 normal, now i hear its 115/75???
i`m retired now(67) and since age 45 have struggled with my weight (5.10 and 240/250 lbs) have been on 20 mgs lisinopril since age 40, BP approx 125--145/55--70 over the years, after i retired i developed "prax atrial fib" the docs put me on metroprolol, which slows the heartrate, and has brought the BP down slightly,--bottom line is as you get older it seems normal that your BP should increase a little bit.
i`m retired now(67) and since age 45 have struggled with my weight (5.10 and 240/250 lbs) have been on 20 mgs lisinopril since age 40, BP approx 125--145/55--70 over the years, after i retired i developed "prax atrial fib" the docs put me on metroprolol, which slows the heartrate, and has brought the BP down slightly,--bottom line is as you get older it seems normal that your BP should increase a little bit.
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Are there any issues with that? I understand the flying whilst under
medication rules etc. But If my GP suggests medication to get it nicely under the current 160/95 (CAA medical) threshold, and I agree, How long would it take to "prove" that the GP prescribed (CAA friendly drugs) treatment was effective, and that there were no side effects?
I'm just trying to work it all into line with my next medical, (if required) to try and break the cycle of continuing borderline (BP) passes.
medication rules etc. But If my GP suggests medication to get it nicely under the current 160/95 (CAA medical) threshold, and I agree, How long would it take to "prove" that the GP prescribed (CAA friendly drugs) treatment was effective, and that there were no side effects?
I'm just trying to work it all into line with my next medical, (if required) to try and break the cycle of continuing borderline (BP) passes.
1.Are you getting lower readings with self monitoring? (See White Coat Syndrome)
2.All drugs have side effects, some people are affected more than others.
3.Personally if I was struggling to stay below 160/95 I think I'd prefer to have my BP controlled medically. Especially the 95.
4.Ask your GP to have you fitted with a 24 hour mobile monitor which will provide a round the clock record through a variety of situations. I've used this device on two occasions and both times the highest readings were recorded in the hospital on fitting it and removing it.
Good luck
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A good friend - retired German surgeon - with 65 years of experience, said it's not the BP per se provided it's within aceptable limits, but the changes over a period of time.
My BP has always been 145/95, now that's over 50 years, and he said "so that is your BP and your cardio vascular system has developed with that as the norm, i.e. it's been built to take it.
Whereas another person with, say 120/70 who suddenly goes to 145/95, is at risk. Or Mrs OFSO who normally has a BP of 110/60 and who when ill and measured by an un-knowing doctor at 135/80 is told "you are fine". No, she isn't, you burke.
The same thing - he said - applies to trigylcerides, uric acid levels, and just about everything else, which is why a once-a-year medical (as opposed to going to the same doctor all your life who knows you well) is a waste of time. In order to make a correct assessment your stats have to be compared with you, compiled when you are healthy. And how many of us go to the doctor to draw up a nominal plan when we are healthy ?
Having said that I now take beta-blockers which have reduced my BP, but that's me "being careful", along with taking garlic, zinc, omega-3 and pau d'arco, and red rice yeast/benecol for cholesterol. Steaming healthy into old age, where no doubt I will get run over by a bus.
My BP has always been 145/95, now that's over 50 years, and he said "so that is your BP and your cardio vascular system has developed with that as the norm, i.e. it's been built to take it.
Whereas another person with, say 120/70 who suddenly goes to 145/95, is at risk. Or Mrs OFSO who normally has a BP of 110/60 and who when ill and measured by an un-knowing doctor at 135/80 is told "you are fine". No, she isn't, you burke.
The same thing - he said - applies to trigylcerides, uric acid levels, and just about everything else, which is why a once-a-year medical (as opposed to going to the same doctor all your life who knows you well) is a waste of time. In order to make a correct assessment your stats have to be compared with you, compiled when you are healthy. And how many of us go to the doctor to draw up a nominal plan when we are healthy ?
Having said that I now take beta-blockers which have reduced my BP, but that's me "being careful", along with taking garlic, zinc, omega-3 and pau d'arco, and red rice yeast/benecol for cholesterol. Steaming healthy into old age, where no doubt I will get run over by a bus.
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Just occasionally in the list of medical examiners you will find the name of a woman. as it happens also my closest medical examiner is a woman.
I'll shop locally I thought.
let me just make the comment that Olga is lovely, she really is.
"ok strip to your jocks and lie on the examining table"
well for some odd reason my blood pressure during this medical was significantly higher than usual. high enough to get pinged.
later my GP was taking my blood pressure as a prelude to upping the blood pressure dosage. for some odd reason he started laughing at me.
"she really is gorgeous isnt she".
moral of the story. pick the grumpiest balding old fart you can. never submit to a medical standing next to a honey in your jocks.
I'll shop locally I thought.
let me just make the comment that Olga is lovely, she really is.
"ok strip to your jocks and lie on the examining table"
well for some odd reason my blood pressure during this medical was significantly higher than usual. high enough to get pinged.
later my GP was taking my blood pressure as a prelude to upping the blood pressure dosage. for some odd reason he started laughing at me.
"she really is gorgeous isnt she".
moral of the story. pick the grumpiest balding old fart you can. never submit to a medical standing next to a honey in your jocks.
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My BP has always been 145/95, now that's over 50 years, and he said "so that is your BP and your cardio vascular system has developed with that as the norm, i.e. it's been built to take it.
As a result I have no idea what my BP was back then when first prescribed medication.
The bottom line is, I know I do need medication to control my BP now but how can I know that my BP level then was "Normal" for me and I was medicating unnecessarily? On the other hand, had I refused the medication I would certainly have been unemployed and possibly not reached my present grand old age.
The only record I have is from a release medical from the RAF, three years earlier, at age 27 which was 140/80, a touch higher than "Normal"