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Is it possible to retain a Class 1 after a brain tumour?

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Old 21st May 2011, 21:22
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Hi VFR,

Yes certainly I will PM you in the next couple of days. I am glad you are getting support from "The Job " it's the best family in the world, second only to your own of course!
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Hi VFR, just to let you know I have not forgotten you and gunning for you from OZ. When all this is over, come on over for some sun and surf, will do you and the family wonders. Good luck mate.
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Folks,

Firstly thanks for the continued interest and support.

As a brief update, my neurosurgeon is in the process of considering his report for the CAA. He is not an aviation specialist although he has done quite a bit of work with the DVLA over driving issues, so I can assume he is well versed in the issues of % chances of incapacitation and the risk management associated with neurological ailments.

I still have fingers and toes crossed, and I have to say I would even consider being restricted to being a cruise pilot at this time!!

BWBI,

Thanks for your PM. I have looked into the DVLA medical guidance which relates to NPPL and the guidance is more restrictive for brain tumours than for TIA's. As a result, I strongly suspect that any licence utilising DVLA class 1 or 2 medical standards will limit me to solo or flights with qualified pilots only.

Thanks for your help and congrats on your achievment.

Kind regards,
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Hi VFR,

Thanks for the congrats and like you say any flying is better than nothing at all ( especially after my AME told me that I would never fly again! )

I only persisted with the class 2 NPPL Medical ( To be able to take non pilot passengers ) because my Partner flies with me and on occasions my daughter and friends who all know my medical background!

I find most people just want to fly local and overfly their house and not much more so it's no big deal unless you have someone who is especially keen to fly with you regularly.

I still fly solo most of the time and with my Partner to local non stressful airfields or those further away if I know them well where we can either have a meal which is only a Taxi ride away or on occasions even stay overnight for a bottle of wine with the meal! It's just a different type of flying to what I did before and it is surprising what is to be seen only a short distance from some airports even those close to home which I would never have ventured outside in the past!

On occasions I have been approached by people who do not know my medical background who have asked me to take them flying and I find that can be difficult as to what you say to not scare them off totally!

I guess if you asked most folk if they would rather fly with a Pilot who has had a TIA or one with a brain tumor they would probably say the latter! I guess some would say neither but that's down to them! It's all things to think about when you get back flying again?

It sounds like you are doing all the correct things and I am sure if you remain positive with your Consultant and your own Doctor concerning your flying that at the very least you will get the Class 1 NPPL medical. If the very worst happened and a medical was out of the question sort out a QFI to fly with you thus negating the need for a medical. I know several Pilots at my airport who fly out regularly to places for a meal and the older instructors love it and I am sure some Private deal is struck over the finance!

Even if you never make Flying as a living at least you will still have all the support of the "job " behind you which will take some worries away I am sure.

Go well and keep us updated as to how things go as the issues you are facing with your flying could easily apply to any of us, I know Ive got the T shirt!
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BWBI,

Can you run a copy of the T shirt off for me please

You are of course right that friends and relatives will potentially ask for rides and the key for me is that my medical will prove to be the restriction.

Some flying is better than none having come this far, although those who see me would struggle to identify anything untoward from physical appearance. I feel fine which makes the frustrations all the more considerable.

I am seeking a medical retirement from the police. Whilst the role has inbuilt security, it comes with the penalty of shifts/quality of life and in reality I want to do things I enjoy for as long as I can.

Commercial flying's door is not closed yet so I will beligerantly keep trying to get through until some bugger locks it on me. Alongside I'll keep checking the NPPL door.

In some ways I would be reluctant to carry passengers as the sole pilot on board as it's a great responsibility which many seem to underestimate the importance of.

In any case, thanks for the positive messages of support,

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Old 28th Jun 2011, 04:15
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I used to work in a cancer field with the professionals and we also used to deal with the aviation cases. And I think you have chances awaiting ahead of you only try to stay positive. I think you are very brave. And me too I was very s with the airlines at the interview and etc,,, only what I got aware of really is a fact that I have a tendency to panic and was supposed to take a 1st Medical Test as well, and had an appointment scheduled, and was supposed to meet with my capt brother. But, just two days before taking off for the 1st Medical Test as had promised myself , I had confused the date of the departure and now must take a 1st Medical Test again. I know now what lost me on that particular day I thought about one interview with the airlines I was su, but as mentioned I have a tendency to panic, so I thought that I can join but with one American older capt who was about to lose a job, like with him everywhere, that what I had really believed at a time, and thought about it so much that I had m,,, the dates of the departure. . Since someone asked why him and etc on email? So I said why not? What I am aware the most is that I really panic for no reason, in Europe maybe not in London with my aunt never at her appartment but here too often,,, perhaps at constant. I was also busy with Oxford studies and never came for a 1st Medical Test. Before you will attempt to take a 1st Medical Test, just try to relax, read some nice books, go for a walk, just think about the things or places you really had enjoyed. Think about your close friends. Do not let yourself to fall into a nostalgia for no reason, there are always some doors open ahead only you must be positive and follow a path. That what I can say , me too I must take this 1st Medical Test before going further again, what is losing me is a panic which causes heart problems. Once I passed it and felt ok.If I will know something further will let you know about your cancer situation. Just please relax.
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Old 28th Jun 2011, 18:29
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Afhelipilot,

Thankyou for your remarks. I am fortunate in being quite level headed and so a positive outlook is easy to maintain and it's fortunately not a panic situation.

I am fortunate to have passed the class 1 medical standards both intially and for several years after, so I am in the system.

Now it's just about evidencing why I should retain my medical and allowing those who are responsible for safe flight to make a fully informed decision. In reality there is no luck, just a thorough decision making process which I can only hope finds in my favour.

Thanks again,
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Old 1st Jul 2011, 09:00
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I got in touch with a cancer field and aviation as we are related I used to deal with , as I took a little break off. Now, we will try to help you as much as we can supporting you emotionally as well in couple of days. Please do relax, please do not bother yourself with any disturbing messages or questions or any non related opinions since you are at the process of the recovery the most important one . I still need to take 1st Medical test again, and when I will be in Europe I will take it again and follow further path if I will not receive panic attacks. We will support you as much as we can. I could had left a message yesterday, but had spoken with aunt on a phone in London who is a fun of wimbledon games. The most important thing is that you are optimistic you are not left alone at all.
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Old 5th Jul 2011, 07:30
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There are medicines ( a first phase ones a new generation one) which started to be given to the patients with the turmour and alzheimer. I will ask more since cancer is still my field as took p.vacations. I will always let you know the new innovations. I am extremely delighted to hear your are in good medical hands so far and just few years older then me. This year I shall be in EUrope and shall take this 1st Medical test again. I was informed I can fly anyway. But, I panic so... so after being suc within the airlines I just waived my hand over it and relaxed at aun'ts appartment in London. Please post us your journey at anytime just at anytime. To fight with a cancer is to fight with a time. Please ignore any activities which can cause you feel dizzy or tired while undergoing a treatment, I want you to fly since I know what it means for a man and a father of two kids.
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Old 22nd Aug 2011, 18:08
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Folks,

Or at least for those still following this (if anyone is), a brief update.

The world seems to have stagnated over recent months with the medics quite happy to watch and wait.

I can only say that whilst that is the current treatment plan, I am more comfortable with the idea because it means there is no significant progression of the disease or symptoms.

What is more challenging is getting the medics to commit to a definative response for the CAA such that the CAA can then make their decision. Efforts are ongoing but plan B starts in a fortnight - off to college, aiming to gain entry for a degree in medicine, a second great love for which I never envisaged the opportunity until now.

It;s not all about bad news, it's about facing challenges.

Kind regards,
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Old 24th Aug 2011, 10:31
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I stumbled across your post today; it is very humbling reading about your experience and how you are feeling. I won’t say anything apart from keep up the positivity, it truly is inspiring.
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 22:54
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Like DJL88 I also just stumbled across your post. I've read it in it's entirety and I simply want to wish you the best of luck. I'm training for my PPL at the moment and absolutely love flying. But ,like you, I also have other interests and would follow one of these if I ever had to stop flying. I studied a Chemistry Degree with the Open University and it was a tremendous journey. I think you're a credit to yourself for being so positive and thank you for sharing your "story" for want of a better word.
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Bugger,

Restart the driving/nppl clock folks.

Just had a few episodes with flashing lights at the periphery of my vision. 9 months into an enforced abstenance from driving and thus NPPL, they count as seizures and so the DVLA restart the 12 month clock again! The DSVLA issue delays the driving licence with a direct knock on for the NPPL.

Given the events of the last 9 months, cruel would be an understatement.

Anyhow, I am now an expert on public transport and hoping to get airborne again soon with a flying instructor.

Having completed the Great North Run for charity, I am looking to find a new challenge in hovering a helicopter. Onwards and literally upwards as they say.

Bugger and several expletives that could not be repeated on here. As an aside, the consultants have beed slow in formulating their report for the CAA, and this probably won't help.
so commercial flying looks highly unlikely now.

Never mind, hope all those that have followed my fortunes are well and always remain positive. Adversity is after all only a word, it'speople who make the future into history.

Plan B is however looking more hopeful as I am part way through an access to medicine course and applying for medicine at university to start 2012.

VFR

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Plan B is however looking more hopeful as I am part way through an access to medicine course and applying for medicine at university to start 2012.
Great to see you activating your alternate. I have also made a big change in my career recently, although not for medical reasons ( well actually for sanity reasons). Having been made redundant from the pharmaceutical industry I decided to return to my original career of Horticulture. I had studied a BSc whilst working in the Pharma industry, but during true and honest reflection I love working outdoors so I've started my own business (2 yrs ago now) and gone back to study Garden Design. My salary has been seriously cut and my lifestyle, in terms of material things, has also taken a hit. The payback?, I'm in control of many of my day to day decisions for the fist time in a very long time. It's a tough road and who knows what will happen in the next 12 months.

It's sad news that your clock has to be reset but I'm sure as an aviation enthusiast you will continue to fly even if it requires being accompanied. Best of luck with arranging your studies.
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Dear all,

Out of consideration for all of those who followed or made an input into this thread I thought I would let you all know what has happened over the last 8 months or so.

This thread started with me typing my thoughts from a hospital bed following a hole being bored in my skull for a needle biopsy and, as I will write in a moment, has resulted in a most unusual turn of events with an amazing level of support urging me on.

In previous posts I have described some of the highs and lows someone diagnosed with a brain tumour goes through. Words are a useful communication medium but rarely express emotion fully merely an indication of those emotions. The most damaging emotion in my personal opinion is one of despair which is a desperate state of affairs capable of becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. Many will preach the benefits of a positive mental attitude however it is an immeasurable and some would argue intangible element of medical prognosis or recovery.

Over the months, I came to accept the fact that I cannot be cured fully, however modern medicine is a marvellous thing and in many respects, I would rather know that I need to get on with my life (depsite despitea potentially life limiting condition), whilst some trudge along in ignorance of the value of life. One can moan about one's job or being unfortunate in life, a lack of money for luxuries or petty difficulties of life.

A life flying airliners is an aspiration for many and those that are already there will sing it's praises or moan about boredom or terms and conditions being eroded. I respect everyone's opinions, it is simply my viewpoint and expectations that have changed. Yes I would still have loved a career piloting holiday makers around but I can appreciate that life is not all about flying or piloting. It is right and proper to have aspirations but one must also understand the troubles life can impose through no fault of one's own actions. It is essential to appreciate that one person's hiccup is another's nightmare and not seeing one's family or a risk of redundancy can be traumatic for anyone but one must never lose sight of the context the problem is within.

With the correct determination one can achieve much. The saying that as one door closes another opens is valid in most occasions in my humble opinion is true.

I have now secured a place to start at medical school in September to train as a doctor. Merely getting into med school is an achievement many never achieve so I feel an exceptional sense of pride which will hopefully afford me the chance to develop myself and my skills whilst undertaking a new challenge. I have found that when faced with an insurmountable wall, one simply needs to look for an alternative route. It may not lead to the same destination as all roads do not lead to Rome but the destination can still be rewarding and fulfilling.

I have been given a great opportunity to learn the value of life, friends and family. I shall never achieve my intial target, ainitialy will experience the same for whatever reason but the biggest failing is to never try (within reason). It is not safe to take dangerous gambles and whilst I attained a fATPL, I did not spend £100K and so my losses have not been as significant. Much of my training was considered, budgeted and at each stage I reviewed my ability compared to costs and benefits. I have a friend who has huge debts 2 years after attaining a licence yet cannot get his first job. For those considering a carrer in aviaticareerrsue it but with full awareness of the risks. I have demonstrated the potential for the best laid plans to come unstuck. My instructors were always complementary of my flying skills and there was no doubt that I would achieve the necessary qualifications. The first job and family considerations were due to be the next challenges but I am now happy I never got that job. A CAA class 1 medical is limited in what it tests for so my advice would be not to spend money on training you which can't afford to lose.

People take driving for granted yet it is not a right but a privelege to be vaprivilegeith many things in life. I should be able to get my driving licence back and may be able to achieve an NPPL/LAPL eventually but I shall always look for the positives of life because anything else isn't beneficial.

I don't know if I will get to the end of my med school course, or qualify as a doctor or even how many years I will be relatively healthy for to help others, but I have a new target to look towards. Life is cotowardnd throws many unexpected twists and turns. Am I unlucky?

No. An ex work colleague, not much older than I, was diagnosed with throat cancer 6 months after my diagnosis and unfortunately passed away 2 months ago. I have opportunities he never had.

Live for today, not tomorrow.

Many thanks for your support,

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Thanks for posting an update. Certainly a surprising change of plans. I wish you the very best of luck.

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Just came across this thread & read the whole way through.

WoW! Not only did you manage to get through the flight training to fATPL, you managed to do it without burying yourself up to your eyebrows in debt. You have two beautiful children & a beautiful wife. You are a cancer survivor. And now, inspite of everything you have had to deal with in the last 18 months or so, you have managed to be accepted for medical school?

You certainly don't let the grass grow under your feet You have so many reasons to be incredibly proud. How very lucky the medical profession will be to have you as part of the driving force behind saving peoples' lives & healing them.

Good luck with everything you do.
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Thanks for the update. You are a true inspiration and I, like many others have to constantly remind myself of how lucky I am when I feel let down by simple things in life. The fact is that (like you) we are all capable of taking a positive view of our situations but for some reason our default human nature is to see negative where there is clearly a positive. I would love to learn how we humans have come so far in evolution despite this default negative attitude.

I wish you luck in medical school and BTW I spoke to a pilot last week that just passed his IR check ride. He told me he life long passion for flying ended when he got his PPL. The constant expense, exams and check-rides have eroded this passion to the point that he now wishes he could just fly for fun...........and he hasn't got his first job yet.
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vfrrider481,

It's great to hear an update from you, I'd followed your progress in this thread last year, and you are quite frequently on my mind. You're showing a wonderful attitude and outlook. It seems you're doing quite well right now, and that is great to hear.

Good luck in all your future endeavours, and may good health follow you for many years. Best wishes to you and your family.

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You have got what it takes mate. I wish you everything in your new career, and how much you will enjoying your flying, with a mate, now as a relaxation, instead of trying to earn a crust. Reaching the ripe old age of 74 I have learnt if nothing else, never give up. Onya Mate.
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