TINNITITUS
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Hi there
Since tinnitus cannot be detected it is no
restricting condition as long as your hearing
is normal. To a certain extent all people
have tinnitus. In most cases tinnitus
BECOMES a problem when you start thinking
about it too much.
However, go to a ENT specialist for a complete diagnosis.
Since a normal hearing test only covers frequencies from 250Hz to 8000Hz it is
advisable you undergo a so called high-frequency test (from 8000Hz up to 16000Hz)
where you might have a loss.
For your medical(JAR) however you must have no hearing loss in either ear of more than 20dB
for 500Hz, 1000Hz, 2000Hz and of no more than
35dB for 3000Hz.
Hope this helps
Since tinnitus cannot be detected it is no
restricting condition as long as your hearing
is normal. To a certain extent all people
have tinnitus. In most cases tinnitus
BECOMES a problem when you start thinking
about it too much.
However, go to a ENT specialist for a complete diagnosis.
Since a normal hearing test only covers frequencies from 250Hz to 8000Hz it is
advisable you undergo a so called high-frequency test (from 8000Hz up to 16000Hz)
where you might have a loss.
For your medical(JAR) however you must have no hearing loss in either ear of more than 20dB
for 500Hz, 1000Hz, 2000Hz and of no more than
35dB for 3000Hz.
Hope this helps
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Hi,
For a PPL, you only need a Class 2 medical. For this, the hearing requirements are:
(a) Hearing shall be tested at all examinations. The applicant shall be able to understand correctly ordinary conversational speech when at a distance of 2 metres from and with his back turned towards the AME.
The audiogram only comes into the equation if you wish to add an instrument rating to your PPL.
For more info, check out:
http://www.jaa.nl/jar/jar/toc00000528.htm
This site gives details of the medical requirements for JAA Class 1 and 2 Medicals.
I have tinnitus in my right ear (high freqency). I recently got a Class 1 Medical, so you shouldn't have a worry.
Hope this helps, and good luck!
Barney
For a PPL, you only need a Class 2 medical. For this, the hearing requirements are:
(a) Hearing shall be tested at all examinations. The applicant shall be able to understand correctly ordinary conversational speech when at a distance of 2 metres from and with his back turned towards the AME.
The audiogram only comes into the equation if you wish to add an instrument rating to your PPL.
For more info, check out:
http://www.jaa.nl/jar/jar/toc00000528.htm
This site gives details of the medical requirements for JAA Class 1 and 2 Medicals.
I have tinnitus in my right ear (high freqency). I recently got a Class 1 Medical, so you shouldn't have a worry.
Hope this helps, and good luck!
Barney
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And the double blind study demonstrating the effects of ginko biloba on blood circulation is to be found where? Along with the claims about improved circulation "thought to improve tinnitus".
Thought by whom? What was the research demonstrating this? Was it able to be repeated, or confirmed using a different type of study?
Next it'll be sniffing nice smelling oils while pressing some spot on your big toe...
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Thought by whom? What was the research demonstrating this? Was it able to be repeated, or confirmed using a different type of study?
Next it'll be sniffing nice smelling oils while pressing some spot on your big toe...
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I'll quite happily believe the truth of any treatment - when it's demonstrated using properly controlled trials or epidemiological studies.
It's called 'evidence based medicine'
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If I can avoid the control group, can I be part of the Guinness trial?
It's called 'evidence based medicine'
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If I can avoid the control group, can I be part of the Guinness trial?
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As long as YOU believe in the effectiveness of whatever 'treatment' you prescribe for yourself - fine. The placebo effect is well documented.
But when you recommend to someone else the efficacy of some pharmaceutical - 'natural' or otherwise - without validated data or research then of course I'll comment. I take it that you feel it's OK for you to suggest something to someone, and not OK for me to suggest otherwise?
I notice you still haven't answered the questions I posed, choosing instead to resort to insults.
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Off to burn a scented candle to cleanse & refresh my aura & realign my energy pathways...
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But when you recommend to someone else the efficacy of some pharmaceutical - 'natural' or otherwise - without validated data or research then of course I'll comment. I take it that you feel it's OK for you to suggest something to someone, and not OK for me to suggest otherwise?
I notice you still haven't answered the questions I posed, choosing instead to resort to insults.
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Off to burn a scented candle to cleanse & refresh my aura & realign my energy pathways...
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Tinstaafl
Firstly, the advice wasn't for you anyway.
Secondly,I hold no monopoly over Ginko sales and i.e have no axe to grind and do not profit in any shape or form.
Thirdly, this advice I took from the Dr John Briffa in the Daily Mail, who recommends it MAY help.
Finally, if you ever were unfortunate enough to have suffered from tinnitus, you'd probably want to try any anything that MIGHT work.
Clearly you haven't and by the looks of it, you appear the type that only likes the sound of your own voice.
Tin Tin, I at least am a professional pilot, working quite hard at the minute,but still like to help out on the forums where I can(unlike you).
Most of my fellow pilots I am sure, would keep an open mind and would be willing to try anything that might help, and would not require the standards you mention.
In any case, my guess is that you are not interested in the problem or the solution,but merely with demonstrating how clever you are.
Perhaps you should stick to the lab with your specs and little white coat and flawed German accent.
This is a PILOTS forum, not some stage for supercilious scientific pratts to show off their self- delusions of superiority!
Firstly, the advice wasn't for you anyway.
Secondly,I hold no monopoly over Ginko sales and i.e have no axe to grind and do not profit in any shape or form.
Thirdly, this advice I took from the Dr John Briffa in the Daily Mail, who recommends it MAY help.
Finally, if you ever were unfortunate enough to have suffered from tinnitus, you'd probably want to try any anything that MIGHT work.
Clearly you haven't and by the looks of it, you appear the type that only likes the sound of your own voice.
Tin Tin, I at least am a professional pilot, working quite hard at the minute,but still like to help out on the forums where I can(unlike you).
Most of my fellow pilots I am sure, would keep an open mind and would be willing to try anything that might help, and would not require the standards you mention.
In any case, my guess is that you are not interested in the problem or the solution,but merely with demonstrating how clever you are.
Perhaps you should stick to the lab with your specs and little white coat and flawed German accent.
This is a PILOTS forum, not some stage for supercilious scientific pratts to show off their self- delusions of superiority!
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Still you resort to insults, and still you haven't answered my questions. It now seems you're also given to making assumptions.
How do you know what I do or don't suffer from? Or what my qualifications are? Or what my occupation is? Or where my interests lay?
As for the honourable Dr Briffa from the newspaper, your comment indicates that he said it "MAY" be beneficial. Different slant to the 'fact' you gave previously.
It's quite common practice when enough firm data isn't available to confirm one way or the other, is purely an opinion, or proper investigations into the aetiology have not been completed
Do you really consider that to be evidence for you to support the product?
From which it appears you extrapolated to state the substance "... improves the blood circulation...". You also said this improvement is "...thought to improve the condition." All well & good, but where is your data to justify your assertions?
It is you, and not I, that have made claims. At no point have I said that it doesn't work - only that your claims are just that, claims. It may well be that this substance has some anatomical &/or physiological effect.
Unless it's just a figment in the mind of the recipient.
How do you know what I do or don't suffer from? Or what my qualifications are? Or what my occupation is? Or where my interests lay?
As for the honourable Dr Briffa from the newspaper, your comment indicates that he said it "MAY" be beneficial. Different slant to the 'fact' you gave previously.
It's quite common practice when enough firm data isn't available to confirm one way or the other, is purely an opinion, or proper investigations into the aetiology have not been completed
Do you really consider that to be evidence for you to support the product?
From which it appears you extrapolated to state the substance "... improves the blood circulation...". You also said this improvement is "...thought to improve the condition." All well & good, but where is your data to justify your assertions?
It is you, and not I, that have made claims. At no point have I said that it doesn't work - only that your claims are just that, claims. It may well be that this substance has some anatomical &/or physiological effect.
Unless it's just a figment in the mind of the recipient.
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Yes Tinstaafl, insults I reserve for airheads similar to yourself who suffer from a severe case of wind, and are in desperate need of deflation.
I know you suffer from delusions of grandeur, since it is can be so blatently deduced from your postings.
The world revolves around you, nothing else matters, and the troubles of others are of no consequence, except insofar as to advance the most important item i.e. YOU,
As to your occupation, I would indeed concur you may be a pilot, but that your aircraft is of the "virtual" type as contained within MS Flight Simulator 2000(please refer to Murrays thread on the other forum-"what do you think of this kind of pilot")
No doubt you have a few thousand hours under your belt by now.
Now then, I made my reply on this thread because I thought I might be able to pass on something I saw which may have been of some help.
Yet again I state that your purpose is solely to impress us all with your scientific expertise and levels of proof required to convince YOU.From this we can ASSUME that it would take much to convince a man of your calibre of anything, while totally forgetting that as far as I and probably many others are concerned your requirements are largely IRRELEVANT - together with your arrogant demands for data.
You are completely oblivious to the idea that very few others have any need or demand for your standards of proof, and will either try it or not -simple as that.This is typically symptomatic of those caught up in their own little world.
Finally, I am not interested in your background or qualifications.
What I will say that anyone with an ounce of common sense(something which you do not apper to possess)would observe,(and to express it in the scientific terms you so crave), you are suffering from an acute case of ego-mania, and that you would do yourself a favour if you returned to planet Earth.
I know you suffer from delusions of grandeur, since it is can be so blatently deduced from your postings.
The world revolves around you, nothing else matters, and the troubles of others are of no consequence, except insofar as to advance the most important item i.e. YOU,
As to your occupation, I would indeed concur you may be a pilot, but that your aircraft is of the "virtual" type as contained within MS Flight Simulator 2000(please refer to Murrays thread on the other forum-"what do you think of this kind of pilot")
No doubt you have a few thousand hours under your belt by now.
Now then, I made my reply on this thread because I thought I might be able to pass on something I saw which may have been of some help.
Yet again I state that your purpose is solely to impress us all with your scientific expertise and levels of proof required to convince YOU.From this we can ASSUME that it would take much to convince a man of your calibre of anything, while totally forgetting that as far as I and probably many others are concerned your requirements are largely IRRELEVANT - together with your arrogant demands for data.
You are completely oblivious to the idea that very few others have any need or demand for your standards of proof, and will either try it or not -simple as that.This is typically symptomatic of those caught up in their own little world.
Finally, I am not interested in your background or qualifications.
What I will say that anyone with an ounce of common sense(something which you do not apper to possess)would observe,(and to express it in the scientific terms you so crave), you are suffering from an acute case of ego-mania, and that you would do yourself a favour if you returned to planet Earth.
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It seems I've trodden on your belief system. I think I understand your apparent sensitivity now.
You still dont' seem to be able to conduct a reasoned argument without resorting to insult. But then I'm not sure I care what you choose to do to yourself. Passing off your fancies as fact is a different matter.
You chose to make a claim as fact about a product which, whilst it may be a belief you hold dear, is not necessarily the truth.
If your belief about this product provides you with comfort then that's a good thing.
As I said before, I never said that this product you believe so strongly in is ineffective. When I asked for your evidence all you could offer was
1. Your statement that it "improves blood circulation". Your reason for believing this is...?
2. That this is thought to have beneficial effects against tinnitus. Thought by whom? Researchers in this field of study? Or the person behind the counter of the health food shop you frequent?
3. A Dr in a newspaper who says that it may be beneficial. That in itself raises a topic concerning the quality of advice that can be given without a proper medical examination.
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"Engine failure in number 1"
"Call it names then, that should fix it"
You still dont' seem to be able to conduct a reasoned argument without resorting to insult. But then I'm not sure I care what you choose to do to yourself. Passing off your fancies as fact is a different matter.
You chose to make a claim as fact about a product which, whilst it may be a belief you hold dear, is not necessarily the truth.
If your belief about this product provides you with comfort then that's a good thing.
As I said before, I never said that this product you believe so strongly in is ineffective. When I asked for your evidence all you could offer was
1. Your statement that it "improves blood circulation". Your reason for believing this is...?
2. That this is thought to have beneficial effects against tinnitus. Thought by whom? Researchers in this field of study? Or the person behind the counter of the health food shop you frequent?
3. A Dr in a newspaper who says that it may be beneficial. That in itself raises a topic concerning the quality of advice that can be given without a proper medical examination.
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"Engine failure in number 1"
"Call it names then, that should fix it"
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I agree Sooty, but I think you might be the first to agree that with me that the flavour of this particular chap is yellow, and judging by what he has written so far, the spineless type who would run a mile at the mere thought of such conflict
Personally I do hope that my assumption that he is a virtual pilot is correct, I would hate to think of some poor unsuspecting pax with such a bunkernut up front.
I reiterate I was in fact trying to help out on the medical forum, when all of a sudden this pratt starts on about the level of proof that HE requires, as if it were a requirement that HE be satisfied.
Well Tinstaafl, next time you fly MS Flight Simulator, perhaps you might try out the virtual hosties?
Perhaps this would relieve you of the tensions you so obviously possess?
Perhaps one day you will venture out into the real world and meet a real girl
Naw- perhaps not.Your cranium is so far up your rectum you wouldn't know the real thing if it slapped you in the face.This would of course account for the lose bowels and consequent verbal diarrhoea you have been experiencing of late.
Personally I do hope that my assumption that he is a virtual pilot is correct, I would hate to think of some poor unsuspecting pax with such a bunkernut up front.
I reiterate I was in fact trying to help out on the medical forum, when all of a sudden this pratt starts on about the level of proof that HE requires, as if it were a requirement that HE be satisfied.
Well Tinstaafl, next time you fly MS Flight Simulator, perhaps you might try out the virtual hosties?
Perhaps this would relieve you of the tensions you so obviously possess?
Perhaps one day you will venture out into the real world and meet a real girl
Naw- perhaps not.Your cranium is so far up your rectum you wouldn't know the real thing if it slapped you in the face.This would of course account for the lose bowels and consequent verbal diarrhoea you have been experiencing of late.
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hmmm......emotion, and not reason to pass your point of view. You offer vitriole & insult instead of discussing the point of view.
And you think you're acting professionally?
As for proof that you consider only I require, next time you're ill, go see your shaman, faith healer, local health food shop or whatever. If that doesn't work, and our paths cross in the health care field, I'll do my best to see you receive evidence based medical care as provided by doctors, nurses, allied health professionals etc, and not blind belief.
Unless you would prefer medicine based around the concept of the 'four humours of the body' & just be bled instead?
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And Sooty, you quite correct. We each offered our opinions about a treatment. Unfortunately one of us took offence & it degenerated from there.
I'll desist from responding any further to his contributions to the discussions.
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And you think you're acting professionally?
As for proof that you consider only I require, next time you're ill, go see your shaman, faith healer, local health food shop or whatever. If that doesn't work, and our paths cross in the health care field, I'll do my best to see you receive evidence based medical care as provided by doctors, nurses, allied health professionals etc, and not blind belief.
Unless you would prefer medicine based around the concept of the 'four humours of the body' & just be bled instead?
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And Sooty, you quite correct. We each offered our opinions about a treatment. Unfortunately one of us took offence & it degenerated from there.
I'll desist from responding any further to his contributions to the discussions.
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hmm - not very impressive display of professionalism Mach78 - resorting to personal insults to justify your comments may make you feel better, but does not create a good impression. Additionally, it detracts from any potential good advice you may have given.
As to the relative benefits of herbal and alternative medicine - yes, I believe they do work and I do use them. I wouldn't argue their merits based on a media report, however, I'm usually happy to discuss their use based on personal experience.
I would also sincerely hope, speaking as a pax, that you are less volatile as a pilot, when someone has the temerity to disagree with one of your comments.
As to the relative benefits of herbal and alternative medicine - yes, I believe they do work and I do use them. I wouldn't argue their merits based on a media report, however, I'm usually happy to discuss their use based on personal experience.
I would also sincerely hope, speaking as a pax, that you are less volatile as a pilot, when someone has the temerity to disagree with one of your comments.
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Glad you finally got the message Tinstaaffl.
All you were ever going to receive was insults.
While the points you made here may have been more valid on a science forum,it was the way in which you were trying to enforce your ideas and standards that caused offence.
BTW Tinstaafl, you are incorrect when you state "we both offered our opinions about treatment"
It was I who proferred the "treatment",to provide some kind of help, and Tinstaafl who immediately began to denigrate the idea without offering any positive alternative himself.
Only those who suffer from this condition know potentially how bad it can be.It was plain to me that Tinstaafl had no idea of the misery it can cause.
I am glad he has returned to his health shop.
All you were ever going to receive was insults.
While the points you made here may have been more valid on a science forum,it was the way in which you were trying to enforce your ideas and standards that caused offence.
BTW Tinstaafl, you are incorrect when you state "we both offered our opinions about treatment"
It was I who proferred the "treatment",to provide some kind of help, and Tinstaafl who immediately began to denigrate the idea without offering any positive alternative himself.
Only those who suffer from this condition know potentially how bad it can be.It was plain to me that Tinstaafl had no idea of the misery it can cause.
I am glad he has returned to his health shop.
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Tinstaafl-just worked out where you are in the aviation pecking order- bottom of the rung!
Some kind of health care professional who has just paid for his frozen ATPL, and now seeks his way to his first job?
Good luck to you, but I sincerely hope the many questions you might be lucky enough to be asking your future captains are put a bit more diplomatically than you have done here.
Some kind of health care professional who has just paid for his frozen ATPL, and now seeks his way to his first job?
Good luck to you, but I sincerely hope the many questions you might be lucky enough to be asking your future captains are put a bit more diplomatically than you have done here.