ndr1804

Hi again, personally I would of thought that flying at night would of been ok. The colours are more distinct at night....but what about flying IFR surely flying IFR you are doing exactly that, In a lot of cases flying along looking at mono chrome coloured instruments. Please don't come this glass cockpit Sh**te with me. Learning IFR surely makes one a better pilot not a colour insight in cloud or above it...........It doesn't wash with me........The restrictions they have placed on your lisence WELL! Whats left is surely what an everyday ATPL flies into all the time anyway.......YES and PAPI lights are white and red not green and white and only an aid not a necessity. We are all aware of safe ways to get an aircraft on the ground and the majority of times colours weren't involved......If you can take a light aircraft over a hedge into a very short grass strip field chances are there were no PAPI lights or landing lights.......and our problem is?:

Regards NDR1804

Scottish.CPL

hello all..

just curious about a few things, can anyone tell me about their expernience with any of the lanterns, and how they felt it was administered.

A329apu

Hi there,
I've got a question for all of you guys.
I used to have UK PPL and quiet few hours, when finally decided to go for ATPL the failed me on my Class 1 medical due to "colour blindness". That was massive shock.
Few years later I went back to my home country and out of interest I went for Class 1 and I passed. I failed Ishara plates but passed all other tests (2 lamp tests).
Now I have about 2000 hours on heavy jets, all in Europe and full European ATPL and Class one.

I have a job offer in UK right now that is very tempting but I have to get UK CAA ATPL and I'm quiet afraid to go there.
What if they do not accept my medical from other country, even worse what if they contact my CAA and ask them why they issued me with a license if I'm color blind (need to add that I passed my Class one in 3 different medical centers here).

If any of you has gone through similar process and has got similar experiences I'll be very grateful for any feedback and info.
All the best.

ndr1804

Doesn't it just show what a farce the whole cvd situation is. If I was you I'd stay right where I am......Someone will want to throw a spanner in the works somewhere.

Well done you. If cvd is such a big issue how the hell have you done 2000hrs heavy jets safley I presume.

regards

A329apu

Thanks mate, it's really tough as I have all my friends as well as fiancee in UK....but then again I've got my shiny Airbus here.

bypilot

Hello everybody.I have many questions about the procedure of having alternative colour vision test.In fact it is a stressfull situation I am in.I have some problem on reading Ishihara plates.It is not very much but generally I see many of the plates but sometimes on the some of plates it could be difficult to see the correct number or seeing one of the 2 digits of number.Can anyone explain me about the procedure of the having alternative colour vision tests?I read on JAR-FCL 3 and I know I could have anomaloscope or other kind of alternative test but I would like to learn can you get alternative even though you fail one of the alternative test.That is you get anomaloscope but failed,can you still have another alternative test?then you failed on second alternative test you took,are you still allowed to have third or fourth or other tests?At the same time I dont know what are alternative tests which are accepted by JAR?Anomaloscope,Lantern any other?And I have another question about it that do you still have to get an alternative test for next medical checks if you pass an alternative once.Once you passed you never have to get it again for whole life?Lastly guys I need your help because I have no further information about converting medical report to a medical card(medical licence).Can I transfer my medical reports I took in X country (which I took from hospital not an medical card) to another country.That is suppose that I get an medical class 1 from hospital in country X but I would like to fly with that report at country Y and both of them are member of JAA.Can I convert my medical report which I took at country X to a medical card for flying at country Y?If it is possible how can I do it?Thank you guys.I know I asked many questions but I really need help and it is very urgent.Good day...

PeteW

Hi guys

I've not looked at this thread for a while since I was lucky enough to pass the CAD test at Gatwick, having failed all other tests (H-W latern included). At my Gatwick test I think I only got one of the Ishihara plates correct before the gruelling CAD test!

If you are trying to get an idea if you would pass I suggest going to City University to try their full range of colour vision tests which will give you a better idea if you'll get through the current regime and the true extent of your CVD.

From my experiences and those of a friend of mine who failed the CAD test I think we still both believe that the CAD is the most likely route to success - laterns and anomoloscopes gave worse results! For reference I was assesed by City as having a "mild deuteranomaly" and my friend as having a "moderate protanomaly". I believe that for the CAD test with deuteranomaly you need a score of 6 or better and for protanomaly a score of 12 or better.

Good luck everyone.

jn45672

I new to this so heres my 2 cents on my expieriences going through colourblindness. I failed ishara and lantern tests in ireland, badly. Yes i was heartbroken like everone else, but didnt give up & would accept been told that i would never fly by some Doc. Determination is the key to success!!
So I decided to take a signal test at my local airport just for myself to see if i could pass it as in the US it is accepted. I got all them right, it very easy and that was during the day, just a pity it not regognised over here. So on a BIG GAMBLE i got a flight to the US and went for my class one medical to fly commercially over there. Turns out i didnt even have to do signal test, i passed the ishara first go. Couldnt believe it, i have a unristricted 1st class FAA medical.
So for all you disheartend wanabe commercial pilots who are CB, dont give up you dream just because your Doc says it wont happen, maybe try the US, belive me when i say it is ALOT less restrictive when it comes to colourblindness there are so many test out there you can do you have a good chance passing at least one.
As for flying i got my ppl in the US but have moved onto heli aircrew for the mom. all going well but gona chance my arm again at getting my medical again back here in Ireland so fingers crossed. I just need a class 2 for crewmember. im not sure if coluorblindness is a factor or not.

Scottish.CPL

hi there and thanks for posting, questions for you.

the difference in the pass score for ishihara is always in question, for JAA land, and that includes Ireland, no errors allowed 15/15. Now in FAA land the 24 plate edition you can pass the test providing you make no more that 9 errors.. so what you may have experienced what this, the light gun lignal test is a great tool under the FAA, the problem is that JAA will not accept it, because it is not difficult enough, the CAD test that gatwick has is a complete waste of time, becuase it is a clinical test, not a practicle test for aviation. what makes me laugh is that if you were to apply to become a train driver, the req for colour vision is perfect , the requerment is no error, but you can have 3 mis readings, in other words you can one plate that has a 15 but you might see the 17 clearer, that a mis read, not an error, hmm lets go figure the common sense in that.

WelshHopper

Hi All,

I've had a nose around the internet, and even spoken to the CAA (They wanted me to go to Gatwick and pay for the medical before they would tell me the answer!) but not found much of a solid answer.

The Background

I currently hold a JAR Class 2 medical (which is in date), to obtain this medical I had to undergo a Holmes-Wright Lantern Test due to my Colour Perception, after takimg the test (results of which are held by the CAA) I was passed as "CP 3 - Safe".

The Question

Would the results of that test, e.g. "CP 3 - Safe" be good enough for the issuing of a Class 1 Medical (I have no other sight problems).

I'd really appreciate any advice anybody (especially an AME) could give on the matter.

Stimmy

Hi all. I just went to Gatwick yesterday to do my initial class 1, im 17 and have always wanted to be a pilot as long as i remember... anyway, you can all see how this is going by now but ill carry on. I passed most areas of the examination easilly and was told i am physically fit except for my hearing which wasnt perfect (im guessing due to playing bass in a rock/metal band). The only thing i was worried about was my colour vision and sure enough, i failed the isihra plates. I paid the extra £120 for the further tests and then did the CAD, i failed with a red/green defficiancy. The thing that confuses me is whenever i am tested by other people they can never understand why im colour blind as i answer correctly... the only reason i was worried was becasue id done and failed the plates before when at an RAF museum.

Now i have a restricted class 1... where do i go from here? im absoloutly gutted I havnt actually started my flying training yet but do you think it would be worth requesting to do a lantern test or the test where you fly with and instructor and have to identify coloured runway lights? Is it possible to earn a reasonable living from being an instructor?

Any advise is most welcome and thankyou for taking your time to read.

ste07

Hi all

a question on the Colour assessment and diagnosis test (cad test)

i was wondering is there any other location other than Gatwick that does these tests? Bupa have this test on their website and i called them but they are clueless as to what im on about.

any help would be very much appreciated

Thanks

sueni

Hi everyone


I'm from europe and I unfortunately have Deuteranomalie. I did the spectrolux lantern test in switzerland but unfortunately failed. Now I'm thinking about a pilot career abroad...
But I need some answers:

1. I read that in the US if you happen to pass one of the alternative tests listed by the FAA they then give you a letter certifiying that you meet the standard for colour vision which you present to the AME at all future medicals and you will never again be tested for colour vision.
Is that really true, I do the test once and never ever have to worry about taking it again? (or is that just in the US the case)

2. If I pass the test in the US and get my FAA Medical Class 1, get the CPL and IR in the US, and then want to get a job or just take up flying in Asia (HongKong, China etc) or the middle east or somewhere, or apply for one of the cadet programmes (like Cathay Pacific Cadet pilot programme), do I have to do again a medical with a color vision test, or is my FAA medical class one - or at least just the colorvision certificate - valid?
Does one of you know in which countries the FAA Medical is valid?

Thanks for any help

niallp

Hi guys,
I have a question and hope someone can help. I failed my class 1 in Dublin 2 years ago so went to Gatwick and failed the holmes wright and baine lantern there. I went to the Colour Vision research Centre in London City university to do the evaluation and CAD test. This was 2 years ago just before the CAD test was accepted by the CAA. In the university I scored a 7.2 on the CAD.
Apparently the pass mark for CAD now at Gatwick is 6 or lower? I also heard the that if you scored close to a 6 the let you take the test 3 times and take your average score.
What I am trying to find out is, would it be worth my while to go to Gatwick and have a shot at the CAD. Does anyone know can your score vary enough to go from a 7.2 to a 6??? Thank any advice or anyone with experience in a similar situation would appreciated. feel free to PM me if preferred.

ste07

Hi all

i went for the colour vision tests at city uni in london and i was wonderin if someone can decipher my results?

the tests i took was
1, Isihara plates ( 5 out of 25 correct )
2, Cad test ( Deuton deficiency, Red green 11.39 x - yellow blue 1.24x )
3, Farnsworth D15 test ( pass )
4, american optical company (H.R.R) plates, ( 14 out of 20 correct)
5, city university test 2nd edition ( pass )
6 nagel anomaloscope Matching range : 0-22 Deuteranomaly

Those are the test i took and results next to them, please can anyone tell me what they mean and would those results enable me to have my night restriction removed on my ppl class 2. thank you in advance, feel free to pm me if required.

Monty1977

Hi guys,
I see many people referring to specific color tests in different countries, maybe it's useful to make here a list per country which initial color test is used for a JAA class 1?
e.g. Holland: Ishihara 24-plate
others: France:
Spain:
Italy:
Germany:
etc..
If you know which test is used in your country, please post here!
Cheers folks!

Scottish.CPL

I just wanted to ask the general oppinion on this,

ok so the CAD test.. the present one runs for 15 mins.. there is news of a 30 sec run, to be like a quick screen to replace the ishihara test, ok so my thoughts, to sit and look at a tv screen for 15 min and looking for a moving colour block, and being told to look in the middle of the screen , im sure that would cause immense fatugue, and mistakes to be make, ie selecting the wrong direction on motion in error...

can i have some feedback, positive and negative please..

cheers..

ste07

Hi scottish cpl

i totally agree with you on the CAD test, i was getting completely bored, my face was in an uncomfortable device and to put it in simple terms fatigue was setting in and was completely losing what direction the colour was going in, surely it doesnt take 15 minutes to do the test, i think around 5 minutes is sufficient time.

Scottish.CPL

yep ano the feeling, and to be honest, it ticks me off, and they say a fair test, and the technichian tels you if you cant see a signal , just guess, how is that fair and to a controlled standard..

they told me i can retest, but when i do it, they will take the previous results and average it out, so what if i get 4.8 or something, thats a pass, some peolpe report that when they are within 7 units, and they retest, if you get one score in the pass criteria, that should be it done and safe, but nooooo, i cat find the official standards to the CAD in the medical standards PDF, if someone can directme to this, please do..

Scottish.CPL

Just checked the caa website on the research on the CAD and they are promoting the fact that the test does have a fast screening application a 30 sec version, so i want to know why that is not used first and then the full 15 min if required, once again CAA making it harder, not easier to get a full unrestricted medical...