if you are UNABLE to get a class 1 medical then I doubt you getting a job. Before I commenced any of my training the first thing I did was sit the class 1 medical to ensure I didn't get too far and realise I wasted £xxxxx.

why not e-mail the recruitment team opposed to asking people that are not directly involved

not meant to sound cheeky I just wish people would do a bit of leg work themselves

Well said.

Guys, come on, if you can't/won't read some simple questions or look up some info which is readily available yourself, how far do you hope to get with a competitive selection process and then the career itself?

The last page or two of this thread have been a bit painful to read :{

Not trying to be harsh - just suggesting people need to up their game!

B&S

can some1 tell me where 2 aply ..? plz plz plz all my life wantd 2 b a pilot n this is best chance 4 me plz plz plz halp me!!!!!!111

*tumbleweeds*

Couldn't resist, sorry guys :}

I've applied. I am some way into hours building, anticipating a trip to Canada to do some more, and then gotta get stuck into those exams. However ... I've not applied for a scheme like this is some time. Fingers crossed, guys.

*sigh* Does applying make me a bad bad person? I didn't get into the last 14 for GAPAN, and if this doesn't work out I'll still be self funding my way through. Going in eyes wide open - to dodge the traps ...

I totally agree with B&S, those who want a sponsorship with TCX really need to start stepping up their game. If you need to ask where to apply, im afraid to say its not looking good from the outset:(. Come on guys ' THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX' dont just wait for a link to be posted on Prune, apply and then wait for the phone to ring because it wont! The slots will have already been filled with those who have written letters and made contacts!

Best of luck to you all and happy night Turkey landings to B&S.

Cabus

the cost of the course is the integrated one you find on the fte page?
81k £ - 1k£ a month for the period of the course (- TR paid from TC)?

:ok:

Guys, you are all dreaming...........I bet a large percentage of the successful candidates will come from within the carrier.

You are niave if you think otherwise.

Where else!? ;)

Not looking at the cadets from previous company schemes...

That said, there will be TCX staff who work in other areas of the business who will apply - their experience of airline ops can only be a positive in the selection process.

B&S

B & S

"Not looking at the cadets from previous company schemes..."

Simply not so...........

we all know that this happens, it happens in every line of business, not just in aviation.. but not all places go this way, there will be some for the honest grafter..

.......and the moon is made of cream cheese...........

Still I suppose its another straw for you to cling on to.

Great career planning.

waco,

I agree that people have joined TCX as pilots who've had experience with the company beforehand, a family link to an acting employee, etc. As ace of spades suggests, this isn't unusual.

But...

You suggest that a "large percentage" of previous cadets have had these links - this is simply not the case.

By way of concrete example (which you don't provide) - the biggest fleet in the company is the Boeing 757 fleet. TCX ran a cadet scheme in collaboration with OAA, with cadets joining the B757 fleet in 2007 and 2008 (and 2009 but I don't know much about this intake). A total of around 12 cadet pilots. None had any of the above links you suggest.

I personally am only aware of 3 pilots on the payroll (out of a total of between 600 and 700) who joined the company as low-hours cadets, either with a relative in the company or previous experience in another area of the business.

The nepotism you suggest isn't really the reality - don't be disheartened if you're thinking of applying for this scheme without knowing the secret handshake everyone!

B&S :ok:

do you know the deadline to register?

why dont you just register now instead of asking when the deadline is.. it takes 10 mins to apply!!

Application submitted :ok:

Best of luck to everyone. I'm sure everyone wants this as much as the next person :)

K.

anyone know about the PRICE of the course?

i just want to know it before apply:):)

thanks!

(I can't find on all the other information...):)

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It is 300,000 euro's.. Where exactly have you looked??!!

on this thread,on the fte page,on the thomas cook page...

the only thing a find out was the TR payed from TC after the course and the 1000£ a month payed from TC during the course...

what about the all course?

Well, I'll look for you.

Hang on a minute while I open up another tab here.

"Click, click click click...... oooh that's expensive"

OK, I'm back............Yup just looked and its £81,000 (so I guess that's 98,500 Euros to save you wondering how on earth to translate Euros' to Pounds)

It was hidden in the greatest depths of their website, cunningly diguised as an Integrated ATPL course (the clue came from Captain Hutchings).

Of course I'd say factor in the JOC course at 6886 Euros's.

And don't forget to keep a little aside for shoes - they're not included.

Would you like me to do any more research?

thanks!:ok:
you did a great job for me..

that's enough for now...I had to wait days,and write 3 post to receive an answer,and finally I get!:):)

good luck to all who will join this scheme!

the future is bright for you antes56, real bright.... :ok:

antes56,

You having a giraffe?

B&S :ugh:

@the ace of spades

I hope for yowu too...:ok:

@BS

what does it mean??

B&S

Right over their head!:confused:

HWB

Does anyone know about the salary prospects when cadets start flying for FlyBe and TCX?

...Only ask as repaying a £81,000 debt off a starting salary of c.£27,000 at FlyBe would probably count me out!

When cadets go to TCX do they start at the bottom of the rung (c.£38,000) or do they go straight onto year 3 of the salary scale?

Thanks in advance, kofk

To be honest, it would be incredibly unfair on the current BE guys and girls if the cadets were paid more than they were. It would certainly cause a fair deal of resentment - I think quite a lot of us accept that the BE salary is a bit on the low side, and it would not help to have guys coming through who are earning nearly twice as much and only staying in the airline for 2 years...

Loan repayments are possible on the BE salary though, it just means that life becomes really quite tight (I hear a couple of years of pasta for dinner!!) But £81,000 of loan is a very significant amount to pay off. I don't envy that one...

lolz
 

colourblindgeek, Ace, B&S ... :ok:

LEG-ENDS (that is to say, ends of legs. Feet.)

£81,000......balls to that :)

It's no sponsorship.

Are TCX seriously encouraging its future pilots to take on nearly £100k of debt in the current climate.

Unfortunately, the pool of real applicants will be very narrow due to this constraint.

Equally, the information is pretty limited around salaries, which is kind of important when taking on this amount of debt. And before some joker pipes up that you just need to research it, previous schemes, e.g. flybe have been very clear about all of the financial details.

How come you TCX buy 10 places and no discount is received, or do TCX just make a nice turn?

The starting salary is irrelevant to Flybe pilots, purely because these "cadets" salaries are paid by Thomas Cook. Flybe receives these people free of charge hence the attraction to Flybe.

One thinks this is the start of the slippery dip at BE as well. Time will tell.

£81k is indeed alot to pay, but is less than the CTC/Oxford scheme.
This scheme also has the airlines involvement from the start, seems miles ahead to me. I actually think its a step in the right direction away from current schemes, particularly given the acknowledgement it gives to the big training leap that is involved when first going onto 'big jets' after training.

do you think the cadets will be put straight into a job or in some type of holding pool for months?

Depends on the demand for pilots, if Flybe aren't paying for them it's likely they'll be thrown out on the line.

I believe if Tcx are taking guys on they will be covered by the Pilots Policies and procedures which means they will be paid according to Tcx payscales. If this is the case the cadets will be paid a starting of 25k rising to 28k with Be then staying on the second officers salary scale for at least two years with tcx with a top cadet salary of 37k. Then once the ' cadet scheme' is over and the guys are fully online they will no doubt qualify for senior fo which means a step up to 49k. Also on top of this cadets will earn their allowances which equates to roughly £500/month summer short haul and £1000 long haul but this is going to be taxed soon, bugger! Also when they join tcx they can opt for day off payments at the roster stage which means you can earn anything from £ 318-850 for working a day off.

I would like to stress this is my opinion on what might happen if the cadets are taken on under the PPP however the major floor in my statement is that I don't think they could be taken on under the tcx scheduling agreement so that may all be total b:mad:s,this is while they are at flybe anyway.

B&S, do you reacon this is realistic or do you think they will become eligable for the PPP when their cadetship is over?

Right, £81K, that's it, I'm out of the picture. Sounded promising but now a lot of us won't be able to do it because we can't get loans (and don't want 81K of debt). Why can't a european airline do a Cathay-esque sponsorship?

No, it's NOT sponsorship. One could even argue that it's not even that good a deal. But then what are your alternative routes into the industry?

[contentious point alert] - EVEN if you go modular, you should factor at least (IMHO) £50k for your training (alright, it can be done cheaper, but for the general person, who might need one or two extra lessons). Then there's no jobs out there, really there isn't. So factor another £30k for a Ryanair Type rating. Thats' IF you can get past screening. And if you pass the check. You're already at £80k

The point is, this is a silver to a TAF of "OVC001 TS +RA" for newbies right now. Thomas Cook are one of the more desirable outfits to get into. I would cut my own arm off if I were a newbie and so desperate to get into this game, rather than self sponsor. And yes, if anyone from TCX would like to offer me the same terms, we'll have to talk a bit, cos the lack of arm might have class 1 repercussions, but the offer stands!

Make no mistake, the major selling point of this is the job offer (all things being equal) at the end of the training. Believe me and the hundreds of other low houred unemployed fATPLs out there....that is worth a huge amount and you should NOT underestimate the value of that alone, regardless of the mentoring - just having a job to go to is worth it.

It's not a perfect offer, no. But it IS a hell of a lot better than any other scheme out there that I've seen and it IS out there.
Kudos to TCX....they are doing something very few others in Euroland are and I find it appauling that anyone is dumb enough to think it should be ignored because of the cost (on the basis they believe they can avoid an £81k bill for flight training anyway), or criticising TCX for doing it.
Wake up and smell the coffee people. Jeez.

i was looking to go modular (btw im still at school so have got a couple of years before i want to train), but how long does it take to pay of £81,000? on fo wadges as i know they are not that high but £37 000 at thomas cook doesnt seem that bad

I think as long as you have an FO job, paying off the debt is not a problem. You should be more worried about the possibility of losing your job and being dumped in it. Oh and getting the loan in the first place, I mean who is going to loan out £81K?

Applied. Best of luck to everyone.

has anybody had any response from TCX yet?

Applications still being accepted until tomorrow so you'd think they'd wait until at least the scheme was closed until giving any feedback, in my opinion.