Just note I have recently been contacted as have others to go to East Midlands during the coming months. Seems Ryanair are lining up Cadets to start for the type ratings early next year. I aint complaining and I'm almost positive this came from my MCC through Parc. As you've mentioned I'm off back there for some sim practice with said Adrian in preparation for the simcheck.


Regards :ok:

Egac Ramper,

how long it tooks from the date of your application and being called for the interview?

Shcok Wave,

My application was not from CAE or SAS,it came from a recommendation that I received from Parc Aviation after my MCC. My MCC partner himself is now onto line training after assessment in May. I had been lined up to go for assessment in June but couldnt and now Ryanair have re-contacted me. So with regards to SAS/CAE I have no idea sorry.


Cheers:ok:

thanks for the info anyway !

happy landing :ok:

Thanks for the info.

The sim check is on a 737-200 right?
As I understand your replies, a 737-800 preparation doesn't matter?

Yes the Ryanair simcheck is done on a 737-200,so no glass cockpit magic to use and is all done raw data on analogue.


Regards:}

RYR Building (East Mids)
 

Ive been looking all over for the address or a link to a map.. :ugh:
can anyone help PLEASE !!!!!!


Vilo

Anyone :sad: :confused:

What is a RYR building? Are we supposed to guess?

Ryanair building in East Midlands, I'll post details tomorrow if nobody else has.

The Ryanair (RYR) training centre at East Midlands Airport is sign posted EMT Training. It is located behind the Britannia Training Centre. Take the first left at the first round-about as you enter the airport, drive past the rental car agencies car parks (on the right) and turn left again at the next round about (you will see the Britannia Building as you pass the rental agencies - you can also see RYR as it is the building just to the right of Britannia). Follow this road for about 200m or so and the entranace after Britannia is RYR.

Luton SID
 

Hi All
can somebody confirm this please, Luton SID on the sim assessment and NDB tracking, eng.failure.
Any news about technical questions.
Regards
TA:ugh:

-8AS

Thanks for the reply.....

Vilo:ok:

Just be aware that the Britannia building is now the Thomsonfly building, the RYR sim building is just next to/behind it.

Airport entrance turn left first roundabout, next small r'bout straight over, third r'bout turn left, road arcs round to the right, Thomsonfly building on right, you can turn either just before or after T'fly building to get to the RYR sim.

working for ryan
 

Say someone was to work for Ryan in admin or baggage handling etc before completing their training, is it known whether they can by pass paying for a type rating and bonded instead.

Or are they treated like everyone else.

I ask this because there were several post earlier in the year where people have claimed to be bonded from 200 hours.

It was suggested that they may have worked however this was not established.

I am about to fill the ryanair on line form and was wondering if anyone here who filled it knows if it is ok to say you are willing to be based anywhere in Europe or they are a bit sensible and lenient to let you pick a uk base.

Hi, all!

Does anybody know whether Ryanair is paying for the 737-type rating, now? I have more than 1500 hours, but I am not rated. I would like to apply for an FO position with Ryanair, but I don´t want to pay for the rating. It would be very nice, if somneone could give some actual information.

Thanx a lot!!

McFly16

In answer to your questions, 1: If you are a cadet, Ryanair will not pay for your type rarting. You can say you require a UK base but during line training you will get sent anywhere there is a spare line trainer, ie Rome, Brussels etc. If you have a 737 type rating or 1500 hrs plus Ryanair may choose to bond you for the OCC conversion course.

2: It does not matter if you have worked for RYR before you still pay for your type course. Working for them just means it's easier to get your foot in the door for the type course.

In honesty it seems that most guys and girls going for the cadet scheme seem to be from the parc / sas mcc course or internal recommendation. Some do come from the SAS/CAE websites (such as myself). Despite many bad posts I would recommend it to anyone. I have been in a year now and I was messed around at the start, waiting for line training etc but now the hard part (3-5 months) are behind me It is a really great job and doors are now starting to open elsewhere should I choose. Go for it!

That about sums it up then does it Marvo? Crap to start with and now so good you are looking elsewhere?:rolleyes:

PP

Pilot Pete, Actually I passed the testing day and am awaiting a sim check with your lot. BUT they have cancelled recruitment until further notice..... bloody typical! (In fact I sent you a private message about 737 bases!) Fingers crossed I will get a call soon. Its horses for courses. As my first flying job (already spent 10yrs in the industry as an engineer) its pretty good! Hope to see you in the crewroom soon.

Indeed Marvo!

It speaks volumes for others then!

PP

Yes it does! Would recommended for cadets...Get loads of hours and experience on modern jets, flying sometimes difficult approaches to small provincal airports. Good pay (eventually) and a stable roster. I know of much worse.

For me I want to move on now. Loads of reasons.

Hey, Marvo!

Thanx for Your information concerning type rating! The only reason why I asked that question is that I can´t afford to pay for the rating in advance, but would like to work for Ryanair, because I am sure it is a good job with decent payment. So according Your posting they may pay the rating for pilots with more than 1500 hours by bonding You, right??

Greetings to all!!

MacFly16

Don't quote me, but I am under the impression that if you have some JAR25 jet time, with 1500 hrs (ATPL unfrozen) they will consider paying your type rating and bonding you for three years. It seems to change from time to time depending on the requirements. Hope this helps, best of luck.

I think you need to read this post very carefully. It is written by someone who has experienced Ryanair's, ahem, unconventional methods at first hand. It has been posted to inform and help you. Take notice of it.

Scroggs

@Scroggs

Thanx for Your post!!! It was very informative!!!

@Marvo

Well, I think my problem is to have just turboprop hours and no jet time at all. Do You think that will disqualify me for a sponsored rating. I will try and hope, that this won´t matter.

Greetings to You

MacFly16

Little vid about Ryanair..
http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/230-2172554.smil
(Realplayer)

You may want to punch me for saying this, but after watching that clip, I would still work for Ryan Air. Once I have a few thousand hours then yes, I would be choosy about whom I work for, but for now I will do anything to initiate my dream career and if that means having to go through a bit of a night mare in the beginning, then hey . . . so be it! I JUST WANT TO FLY!!!!!!

Hello,

I see on the FR website that they just changed the minimum for type rated FO from 100 hrs to 500 hrs? Is that mean that they have enough low hours FO?

Oli

Yes it does.
They don't have enough training captains to take on more low houred guys. That, and the fact that they now, with these new terms, can make guys/girls with 300-400 hours on type go through line-training without having to pay them. Why? Well, if you're below 500hrs, you're a "cadet".

Sux, doesn't it?!

And have you read through this thread properly? And those in Terms and Endearments?

Another lamb to the slaughter...

Scroggs

Dont get me wrong . . . Ryan Air would never ever be my first choice . . . I think the way they opperate is discusting, however I would still fly for them in order to gain 1500+ hours on my license and then I would get the hell out. Sometimes you have to dig in s**t to reach the gold . . . and with low hours I and many others I am sure are willing to do a bit of digging. I am against it and only hope and wish that things will change in the future.

An2,

I'm not sure of that, actually, it's seems that there is some FO's without 500 hrs who still have an interview mid-november. I think that's they have enough FO's until next year (april 2007) and that's all.

Oli,

Another lamb to the slaughter...
Hi Scroggs,
I can't help but slightly disagree with the above. Firstly I know you have a great deal of experience in aviation and I respect that, and part of the above is you trying to warn people.
However it is also very easy for someone in your position who has probably never had to pay for training being Ex RAF / and now Virgin. That is great and very fortunate for you, but things have changed now and not just in Aviation. Can you honestly say that had things been different that you would not have paid for qualifications to further your career if it was the only option open to you?
I'm trying to make the point that everyone is different and in different circumstances. Me I am 32, I left an established career like so many do to gain my ATPL. Now I have an assessment with FR next week for FO/Cadet and i feel bl**dy fortunate to even have that, and only do because I know a TRTO with them.
Now if I am successful, yes it P*sess me off that I will have to pay out so much money, but I can look far enough ahead to know that I will be way more marketable in just 18/24 months, with 1,800hrs on a heavy jet than if I sit at home and say I am not paying for a rating.

Or I could as you have recently suggested on another post go and spend £6k on an instructors rating and earn less than £12k a year (great investment! Plus I can not live on that) yes I would gain single engine instructional time which is mostly useless as far as the airlines are concerned, to then 18/24 months down the line and MORE in debt realise the industry has not and will not change and go out and pay for a Jet/TP rating. I just think sometimes people should have a greater understanding that for some it is the best / only option if you have a job offer at the end of it.

How many people do you fly with every week who spent 3-5 yrs at FR and are now in the right hand seat of an A340, I am guessing shed loads, but in the big picture it got them to where they want to be, and not slaughtered!
Scroggs I hope you dont take offense to the above comments.

I would also like to make the point it is us (newly qualified pilots) who are being forced into entering the industry by paying for ratings, something I feel in no way is our fault. How can it be when we have had no influence in an industry we have never been employed in before!

Please please others reading this DO NOT think that I am knocking FI or people who fly TP before jets I AM NOT! Infact I would bite a TP operators arm off if any of them would respond to sent CV's.
I just wanted to give another opinion of someone trying to get into this very strange industry, I hope I have done so without causing offense.
All the best which ever way you choose to do it,
Dan

Dan...I am pretty much in your same position (not yet invited by someone, thoug) but I believe that if we are in this game is because some outsiders decided to ram their way through the main door just because they could do it. FR isn't the worse one since there is a job offer laid down provided you complete the course but somewhere else is merely a pay-for-flying fair. So I must agree...

Still scroggs (don't take me wrong, sir) speaks from a well established point of view and from a homebound career path and maybe he would say that this is just a job, that isn't milk and honey or something like that...Didn't mean to read anyone mind, just a bit disappointed...

Wish U all the best

PZ :ok:

Dan 98, I have to say that is an excellent post. People join Ryanair with no illusions. There is enough information out there about the process involved and the companies attitude to its staff. I hope people go in with their eyes open

For a MODERATOR to use the phrase "Lambs to the slaughter" I find slightly disheartening.

Believe it or not most seats are full at FR at the moment. Hardly any direct entry Captains positions available and F/O slots are scarce. Thus, hour requirements go up to increase experience level in the flight deck.

However, next summer recruitment will start again in earnest and Cadets will be required in significant numbers.

In my humble opinion, Scroggs; you don't have the full picture. I joined FR with an open mind and paid for my rating. Now my economy is under control, and I can finally relax. If I hadn't, I would still have had to work night shifts + instructing on daytime with a crap salary. Five years of instructing didn't give me anything. Who cares about SEP hours anyway...?
What is exceptional with FR is that you will not be treated in a normal, decent way. You are just filling a vacant spot in a huge puzzle. Because of that almost every employee has personal issues with FR. However, I have tripled my income, I work less and my future looks very bright.
Finally, Scroggs..don't forget that you have reached your goals and it's very easy to tell others what to do or not, and you were fortunate enough to be able to choose. That's what it all comes down to...We don't have a choice.

Where do I start? Let's try this for openers, written by Wonder Boy just over a year ago:

And then there's this, Ryanair - A Guide For Prospective Pilots, Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3.

If reading those doesn't help you understand why I said 'Another lamb to the slaughter', then perhaps you are beyond help!

Part of the problem is the increasingly-prevalent expectation of getting into a jet flight deck with no experience other than the fATPL training. While it can be done, it is just one way of beginning of what I hope will be a very long career for you. Unfortunately, as was pointed out at the Pprune Seminar yesterday, more than a few of those who have gone straight into companies like Ryanair have become disillusioned with the entire aviation industry, and been 'burned out' by the workload - so much so that people are leaving to take up alternative careers after only 5 or 6 years flying. They just can't take any more.

As for the logic of accepting extremely low (or no) pay for your initial period of 'employment', see my take on the subject.

Whether you can appreciate it or not, you do have a choice. What choice you make will affect you for the rest of your working life. Incidentally, I have never flown with an ex-Ryanair pilot in Virgin. I am not aware of there being any in the company; there are several ex-easyJet however. I don't know why this is, though I have some suspicions.

Scroggs

Would you care to share your suspicions Scroggs??