all i need now is the Name ...and i sent my application ..please

I would have thought if you wanted a job that much you would research the market and find out the potential employers that would consider you. Having to ask the name of my airline shows a lack of determination to get a job. If you don't seek out the perceived 'better' packages on the market and just think that Ryanair are the norm then you are failing yourself.

I will allow you to research the market and find out for yourself which UK airline I work for, it won't be difficult and they have a track record of employing EU nationals.....

PP

Well i guess i will do this then,anyways thank you ,Sir .

GOT IT ...YES IT WAS EASY ,now the hard part ,isnt your Airline actually hiring experienced Pilots ,not Low timers like me ?

DETERMINATION
 

[QUOTE]Pilot Pete.

To say that the chap is not determined enough to find a job because he does not have an in depth knowledge of EVERY airline's T & C's, so has to ask a simple question is insulting to him and others like him (including me).

It may have escaped your notice, but this part of pprune is about trying to find a job. There are many of us that would be overjoyed to just get a RHS on anything. And i am sure that if we got that chance, we probably not debate with the employer about the nature of the pension etc.

Maybe it's you that should do a bit more research on the demographics of 'wannabe's' and what they do to try a get a job that puts them on the first rung of the ladder.

JTK

ONLY...Together were strong ...we are pilots ..one flies everyday an ILS one will fly it in the future ..but WE need to hold together.

TEAM UP GUYS !!!

JTK - think thats a bit harsh on old Pete mate. There are far too many people in the world who do want things given to them on a plate and can't be bothered to find things out for themselves. I know ive spent hours and hours like most wannabees on here researching potential employers and contacts, if you want people to do all the work for you then no your not very committed imho. Regarding accepting poor T&Cs for a 1st job well of course you have a totally valid point; most of us would do anything to get a RHS job and the likes of RYR definitely make the most of that. However Pete also has a valid point, slowly the T&Cs will get worse and worse untill you end up doing it totally for free (after paying for type and line training) for the 1st year or longer :yuk:
As far as asking Pete to do some more research on wannabes, well I think he knows exactly about what our situation is, hence the excellent services that he runs in his spare time! Keep it up Pete :ok:

There you go. Easy eh? Now find out if they employ low timers. That will be easy too. Oh, ok, I'll tell you. Yes they do. I went to work last night and bumped into a CRM instructor pal who was running a course full of new joiners. Their experience level ranged from 150hrs to 200hrs. Even I baulked at 150hrs!!!

My point was not to offend, just to point out that if somebody has to ask about what airline will employ them then they are NOT doing enough to get themselves a job. When I had 250hrs I knew EXACTLY which airlines employed pilots with my experience level and by the time I had my IR the CVs and applications were in the post. Just remember, if you don't give the job search 100%, sure as eggs are eggs someone else will and they will get one of the few jobs going for low houred pilots.

Good luck.

PP

what a bond is
 

Taken from a Canadian forum with ALPA battling for bonds to be prohibited.

Young inexperienced pilots should read this to have a clear understanding of what a bond is and what it entails.

I am seeing the UK going down the same road that Canada did, all these low houred pilots paying to work for an airline (not a bond) and in ten years time starting salaries going down and terms and conditions going down.

I myself have entered into a bond, but one that was fair, and that had my interests and the employer interests at heart. I was approached by a certain company that wanted me to pay to work for them, if you all did as I did and laugh at them, then proper legitimate bonds would be in place.

http://www.fls-ntf.gc.ca/doc/sub_fb_61.pdf

That is a very interesting document you have posted and highlights my earlier opinion about how I think £25k over 5 years is unreasonable. A very interesting observation is the fact that many of these 'bonds' are now loans that the individual signs up for. If the company goes bust you end up with no job and have to pay the loan back. This really is unfair practice and I think all you job seekers should write to BALPA if you are members to express your concerns and your local MP, highlighting the facts and showing them the document from Canada.

PP

An example - A devon based, dash operator make new joiners sign a bank loan for £20'000 (plus interest) over a 4 year term. The loan apparently is in your name however the company make the repayments whilst you are employed. So if you get fired or company goes bust you are 100% liable. Sounds pretty bad eh!
Get this-the loan is effectively frozen for year 1 and so no repayments are made until the beginning of year 2!?!

All for a :mad: Dash 8 rating.:eek:

Now if only they would ease up on the age restriction for S/O's :ok:

I have got the opportunity of an assessment / sim check with FR, but if successful, have to pay £18k for the type rating, followed by a period of several months without pay. Although it would be my first flying job opportunity since qualifying I have sadly had to decline the offer. :ugh:

A BIT Harsh towards pilot pete
 

Ok, maybe I did sound a bit acidic.

Cannot remember which day i posted it. A student (i am an FI) could have tried to kill me that day or my pants may have just been too tight. Or a combination of the both in any order.

My aim was not to offend anyone.

JTK

I heard they had, but that's not verified.

PP

I still can't figure out who pilot pete works for:O

:)
 

He works for Thomsonfly...:ok:

Well I ruled out that airline as one where he works because their website states:

"First Officers wishing to apply must have 1500 hours total time to include either 500 hours jet experience or 1000 turbo hours. 737/757 Type Rated First Officers may apply with a minimum of 300 hours line experience."

Maybe they should update their website, or maybe I need glasses:8

Anyways, thanks for that TruTh747:ok:

Or maybe they are too busy like most airlines and what it says on the website is not necessarily gospel!;)

I always recommend people research airlines fully and don't just rely on what a website says. Many airlines put their 'wish list' down as requirements, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they won't recruit pilots with less experience.

For your information Thomsonfly, nee Britannia have a long history of recruiting 200hr pilots to Second Officer positions.

Good luck.

PP

Thanks for the info Pilot Pete;)

Agreed, i am personally waiting for the Thomsonfly scheme at JEREZ..hope to fly with you soon PP.

Kind Regards,

Truth747

Insideview,

You have a good attitude my friend. I would fly with you anytime. :-)

Cheers,
Walt

CAE and SAS are where you do the TQ Course. They also have access to possibly submit you for Sim Assessment, but aer by no means the only way of doing so. As with everything research and use every possible avenue, not just the ones that are easy to find and laid out on a plate for you.

and its [email protected]
ema = East Midlands IATA code

UK residency...not EU
 

Anyone else in the same situation?

I know that on their website it says "must be able to live and work in the EU".

I have permanent residency for the UK only to live and work unresricted.

Is there anyone else with this same situation? (maybe even heard of someone actually employed with UK only residency)

Does anyone have any opinions on whether this forfeits my chance of employment?

Thanks

Ryanair
 

Hi all,

Just wondered if i could ask some people in the know about Ryanair a few questions?

Firstly if i joined Ryanair with a 737 rating and 100 hours on type would i be on the cadet salary still or would i enter straight away onto the full F/O salary + flight pay?

Secondly I am aware that unless you have the NG differences on your license that they bond you over 5 years....How much is this bond in £ sterling?

Lastly once line trained...which i will be already with 100 hrs on type, what are the chances of getting the base you want at the moment? Is it still a case that you will have to go into Europe for 6 months or is that just so you could do your line training? (east mids in particular)

No Ryanair bashing please i'm just after straight forward answers to the above.

Many thanks in advance

Foil

Maybe you should try under terms and endearment...

Anyway, I wouldn't count on getting your first choice when it comes to your home base. Althougn you're not a cadet I don't see why Ryan wouldn't place you where the need is greatest (i.e anywhere in Europe).

Join as Second Officer with full flight pay.

Any previous line training done at other companies means nothing. You will undergo full training but will be expected to be at line check standard by around 28 sectors as you will be trained under 'Operator Conversion Course'. (Minimum sectors a cadet will complete before line check is 68).

Most new joiners are now getting choice of base but there can be restrictions due to the requirements of the company. Also some bases are relatively small and sort after e.g GRO so seniority comes into efffect then.

Hope this helps.

I havent seen on their website anything mentioned about second officers,what are their minimum requirements for that position?

Ryanair & Accession State Citizenship (2004 accession)
 

Complex Question: Does anyone know if having accession state citizenship (i.e. Slovenia) would allow me to apply with ryanair's training scheme? My concern is that it says one must have "unrestricted right to live and work in the EU."

Well, I know that the UK has been pretty liberal with granting work permission to even the newest EU members, but some countries (Italy et al), are very restricted in granting work permission to people like me.

So would I be considered "unrestricted" in my ability to live and work in the EU??? I wonder if that is meant to read "Shengen area citizens."

Any assistance much appreciated!

Hi,
Does anyone have precise information on the difference between the Brookfield contract and standard Ryanair contract for FO's?
Rgds

Just a reminder, as topics about this airline seem to attract people of various levels of experience: this forum is only for ab-initio wannabes. For experienced pilots, looking for their second or subsequent commercial employment, Terms and Endearments is the appropriate forum.

Scroggs

As far as I am aware, both Ireland and the UK will allow you to work. France, Germany etc will not. Not sure how it works with Irish registered aircraft, but since the initial period of work with Ryanair is classed as training, this will mean you aren't getting paid.

Wizzair in Poland has French & German nationals working under their TR training scheme, and the Poles don't allow the French or Germans the right to work in Poland, so it must be classified as 'training'.

thanks for the info nosponsor

Ryanair F/O
 

Despite what is officially stated on their website, does anybody know if ryanair is considering pilots with a 737 TR but without hours on type and without J25 experience ?

Should i apply or is it a waste of money to do so ?

Thanks

Think you will see they want 100 hours on type.

2 instructors at my flying club have gone for this, they have to self fund the 100hr rating but are 99% guarenteed a job after.

scottie.

I had two Cpt's backing my application, but that didn't help.
Still needed to have the magic 100hrs on type!!

hy, Do you think that there is better chances to be involved with FR with a TR (with no JAR25 experience) than waiting for a cadet recruitment with CAE or SAS ???

For the 100h on type, I guess that's really the minimum you must have if you want your application go on. But it may change... :ugh:

Nope, absolutely not. I would never pay for flying.....damn the airlines who do that!!!!!

A typical day at Ryanair
 

Hi all

I was wondering if someone at Ryanair could post a typical day in the life as a Ryanair pilot. Right from report in the morning to leaving work in the evening and rest period in between days of work?

Also i believe that the roster pattern is 5 on 3 off, Is that split into earlys and lates or 5 earlies 3 off and then 5 lates 3 off?

Please no Ryanair bashing here i'm just after informative posts about a day in the life of a Ryanair pilot.

Many thanks and kind regards

Foil

Roster is currently 5 days on (earlies) then 3 days off, 5 days on (lates) then 3 days off.......... Never changes, can plan a BBQ for 9 months time for one of your off days! This is slowly changing to 5 days on, 4 days off as new people join. Don't know how stable this will be as it comes with a few provisos. (New joiners are only being offered the 5/4 pattern I think).

As far as the average day goes, usually four sector days. Early starts vary from 05:25 report to 07:30. Lates start around 11:30 with the average start time of 13:30 (can be as late as 17:00). The whole fleet is scheduled back at home base before 23:30. A days duty is on average 71/2 - 8 hrs. Some extend to 11hrs others short as 4 and 1/2 hours.

You report 45 minutes before departure to complete pre-flight duties, spend the rest of the day mainly flying due to only 25 minute turn arounds (no hanging around airports). At the end of the days flying, spend 30 minutes in operations doing paper work then its off home to come back and do it all again tomorrow.