I don't think the cadets will necessarily be weakening the current pilots hands as there is no shortage of inexperienced FOs.
The real shortage lies in the Captains, this is being exacerbated by the fact that now a lot of the experienced FOs close to command hours are choosing to leave rather than upgrade. This will not be an easy fix for them.

What is so hard to understand? The pilots that joined Ryanair since they started the P2F are to blame for allowing Ryanair to pull this :mad:

Also the cadets that choose to join now instead of waiting for few months until the dispute for better T&C between crew and Ryanair is over, are ( cadets or otherwise) to blame for allowing the situation to continue from this point on.

Fredbr: Not everything that bursts your bubble is false rumours. Yes there is a backlog of cadets waiting for the line training. I can't tell you how long it will take to clear the backlog but I personally know few people that started the type rating in January 2017 and earned their first pay check at the end of September.

Do you really believe Ryanair when they said they messed up the pilot's holiday? It's true that they had to change the roster year from April to January but they also gave the holiday on a prorated base, Ryanair are not that generous.

The fact is that Ryanair is short of experienced crew that is why they have the current issues. Who is going to train you so you can do the line training after 1.5 months?

http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...lights-55.html - have a look at the last few pages of this thread and see how many bases are going on strike or have planned a strike. This should give you an idea of what's happening in Ryanair.

100% agree but you can’t expect prospective cadets to sit around and wait just because current pilots have finally got their act together and are trying to take action now they’re logging hours and receiving a pay check. It sounds a tad hypocritical to me.

Yes I hope for your sakes by then conditions will have improved. Every cadet coming into the company should immediately be placed on a direct contract and receiving a basic salary.

The new guys won't be affecting the battle the current pilots are having with management however it wouldn't take long for a freeze of people joining to change things all round. Currently it's 60+ new entrants per month (so probably around 150 interviewed) all willing to pay for type ratings and go unpaid for months. Unfortunately they won't need to change their behaviour towards cadets with this endless supply. I'm not saying you should be the one to say no because of course there'll be someone behind you in the queue to step in and take your place but at some point I do hope they have to start treating people differently one way or another.

Good luck with the training

I am not expecting them to sit around and do nothing. I would advise them to try with all the other airlines and leave Ryanair as the really last resort. There are literally lots of jobs out there, Airlines, Corporate, General Aviation, Instruction you name it. 2017 was the best year in terms of pilot recruitment I have ever seen and I think it will continue in 2018 as well.

Fredbr, I forgot to mention that the people I personally know that started the type rating in January 2017 spent around 43-45 000€ until they got their first pay check. You should keep that in mind too.

Trouble is, by the time you've started the TR you've already signed your self-employed contract with FR....which states you can't work anywhere else.

Ryanair Assessment in December
 

Hey Guys, I attended a session in Dublin this December and was sadly unsuccessful. Wasn't seen until 2PM and when I was the sim was very rushed, not even allowed a full brief, was to be done outwith of the sim in private.

Take off with heading and altitude request, climb and descents, radial interception then an approach. (My GS failed but was visual) No emergency so no chance to really explore any CRM or MCC traits.

Personal was about myself, training family then few technical's. (Seats, Hydraulic system and how flight controls are moved.)

Best of luck to all who attend in future.:ok:

I hope you have all seen the news today.

Epic.

As long as you all join your national pilot associations. When you get your base, you must join the country of your base, regardless of your nationality. In the mean time, nothing to say you don't join your home nation when you start your TR.

We all want to make Ryanair a company where we can stay for 20 years. They need our help to do that.

Last week I flew a cadet to his wings ceremony in dub. He started his TR in may 2017 Been told he won't start line training til March 2018. That means no pay until April, maybe May.

1 year with 0 pay. We need to make this company the company it could be. This treatment cannot go on.

ATR Type Rating
 

Hi guys.

It will be my second interview with Ryanair, i was there in OCT 2016 and i fail.

Now received a new phone call and a new date.

Im currently working in France as ATR First officer and im wondering if they will make me different questions because of my current Type Rating.

Anyone with a type Rating invited for an interview? How it was? Technical questions about your current Type Rating?

Thank you very much guys

Hello,

Thanks to everyone who has shared his experience in the interview.

I sent the application 2nd week of November. Email 5 weeks later, call on the next day. Will have the assessment on the 18th January.

The call was very simple. They asked me how was my MCC experience and what I have been doing since then. It looked like they just wanted to make sure that I can communicate in English (that's why it was a rather random question and the answer itself wasn't really relevant). When that was clear, she invited me to the assessment and explained me the required documentations and steps.

Best regards!

Update: we finished a couple of weeks ago and the first one of our group is now rostered for linetraining (even got a base next to his hometown). Others still waiting though. I think 4 months are extreme cases and the average waiting time might be 1-3 months right now. But the waiting time is also different for everyone and might change every month...

probably a weird question...
 

Hello everyone!!

First and foremost, for those who wonder how much time applications have been taking, I applied around the 30th of October, got the email around the 20th of November and the call on the first week of December.

The call was very laid back: the lady asked me if I failed any ATPL subjects (I failed Principles of flight once and averaged 87%), if I failed any flight exams, if I had everything in order and up to date, and then proceeded to explain the assessment fee, the type cost and every document you need to take. I got January 3rd for the assessment. No test or weird questions whatsoever. (the call was from a Dutch number).

Immediately after I paid the assessment fee, booked flights and hotel.

However, today, I received the best news of all: I was accepted at my home country's airline, and guess what, I start the type rating exactly the day of Ryanair's assessment! That being said, I have to cancel it. Does anyone know if Ryanair refunds the fee, or part of it? Or how to proceed to do so? I would much appreciate any help!

For all of you, I wish the best of luck!
:)

Assessment duration
 

Hi everyone!

I have been invited for the assessment. They told me to be there at 08:00 and that it can last until 18:00 (:eek:), anyone knows if its possible to finish earlier or it depends on your turn?

Thanks! :)

PilotJ77

I’m guessing you’ll be done by mid afternoon because I’ve been invited at 12:00 as a group of 4 and told I’ll be done by late afternoon/ early evening.

Negative sire ! the fee is non refundable, it's written on the CAE email, there is nothing you can do about it.

Congratulation for joining TAP, best of luck for the TR !

Thank you for the reply. Best of luck to all ! :)

I think they way they do it from January might be changing because on my assessment in January 4 people have been invited at 08:00 and 4 of us are at 12:00 which I think is a lot better.

Maybe they’ve decided it’s beneficial all round if people are there only as long as they need to be, after all apart from the assessor having to do 2 group breifings there’s no reason why they can’t split 8 people into 2 groups.

Mysterons

Congratulations about that!

Don't expect a refund. Anyhow, it would be nice from you to contact CAE about that cancellation, so they might find someone else to fill your slot and there won't be an odd number of persons that day.

Does anyone know how to reset or delete the Cae account somehow so i can reapply?


private message me if necessary.

T/o thrust
 

Hi guys quick question for anyone who has done the sim check recently.
In briefing pack where it specifies t/o procedures: after stabilising N1 it says press TOGA, but then it says "set take as thrust as previously briefed."

What? Pressing toga does, or should set the t/o thrust so what is actually expected here.

Thanks