Ryanair Interview
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Well said tailscrape!Spot on!
After all if a company does not value you as an asset what is the point of working or paying to work to someone as arrogant as O/Leary.
I read the interview my self in the FT and i wasn't impressed with his attitude on how he LOVES to treat people like S$$%^t and how they keep coming back for more. Nothing professional about that at all.
So if you want to be part of a group that really sees you as a balance sheet improover then go ahead!
Aviation Trainer get a life!Dont teach us real pilots how to suck eggs.If you are good enough then you don't have to pay for a type, only the lonely will!
Real companies invest in their people, because it is the people that make up a company.Ryan loves impoverished eastern europeans because for those sad souls, it beats the hell out of working in eastern europe for next to nothing. How many eastern europeans are working for Ryan on temporary visas?So go on and join the slavery club.
One more thing, why did the founder's sons resign from Ryan?
That is right, to set up his own business school dedicated to his old man- if there are sheep then milk them and make some more money teaching them MBA's.
''Dont be fooled by the rocks that i've got, i'm still the tinker from the block''.
by O'leary.
Yours Faithfully,
The Don!
After all if a company does not value you as an asset what is the point of working or paying to work to someone as arrogant as O/Leary.
I read the interview my self in the FT and i wasn't impressed with his attitude on how he LOVES to treat people like S$$%^t and how they keep coming back for more. Nothing professional about that at all.
So if you want to be part of a group that really sees you as a balance sheet improover then go ahead!
Aviation Trainer get a life!Dont teach us real pilots how to suck eggs.If you are good enough then you don't have to pay for a type, only the lonely will!
Real companies invest in their people, because it is the people that make up a company.Ryan loves impoverished eastern europeans because for those sad souls, it beats the hell out of working in eastern europe for next to nothing. How many eastern europeans are working for Ryan on temporary visas?So go on and join the slavery club.
One more thing, why did the founder's sons resign from Ryan?
That is right, to set up his own business school dedicated to his old man- if there are sheep then milk them and make some more money teaching them MBA's.
''Dont be fooled by the rocks that i've got, i'm still the tinker from the block''.
by O'leary.
Yours Faithfully,
The Don!
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Thank you prattawitt and Aviation Trainer too for providing some useful information on what is expected should individuals decide that this is the route for them and attend the selection process with either CAE or the SAS Flight Academy.
Would appreciate knowing what simulator is used for the testing in either Berlin or Gatwick?????
Always remember folks: you pays your money and you takes your choice!
Night all
SS
Would appreciate knowing what simulator is used for the testing in either Berlin or Gatwick?????
Always remember folks: you pays your money and you takes your choice!
Night all
SS
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In response to the original question asked about the Ryanair interview...... I had an interview with the main man Mr Declan Dooney about 10 months ago in Dublin.
It was a very informal affair with a chat over a cup of coffee in the canteen. Declan is a very nice but very busy man and will be to the point .... ask about you ... tell you about the company.... and that is it ..
In ... chat .... coffee .... out the door..... on the plane home.. 30 mins tops.
cant tell you much more about it than that ... sorry l
the whole process has changed now though ... you have to go direct to the training providers ...
I thought I was half way there after my interview and being told to wait for a SIM ride..
Unfortunately ... i am back at the bottom of the queue and cant even get the training providers to talk to me .
Well good luck everyone
It was a very informal affair with a chat over a cup of coffee in the canteen. Declan is a very nice but very busy man and will be to the point .... ask about you ... tell you about the company.... and that is it ..
In ... chat .... coffee .... out the door..... on the plane home.. 30 mins tops.
cant tell you much more about it than that ... sorry l
the whole process has changed now though ... you have to go direct to the training providers ...
I thought I was half way there after my interview and being told to wait for a SIM ride..
Unfortunately ... i am back at the bottom of the queue and cant even get the training providers to talk to me .
Well good luck everyone
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How long before Ryan air works out people will work for free for 3 years because they will get well paid as a captain. Remember US aviation in the early 90's because we are not far away.
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I think that you should heed the words of Tailscrape and others who clearly have some time under their belts. The industry has changed fundamentally over recent years and in some ways, this is no bad thing. However, as with all forces of change there comes a point where things go too far and the lowest common denominator prevails; which is the point that we are now at with Ryan Air.
I am sure that Tailscrape and I were both as desperate to fly for a living once as you now are. The fact is though that once you're past the starry eyed phase, you resent being used. Any reputable business respects its employees and fosters a mutual respect between the individual and the employee over the long term.
In the short term this represents a training overhead to the company but in the long term, the company benefits from a loyal and professional workforce. Put simply, it is wrong to ask a potential employee to fund his rating or indeed to charge him for consideration of his CV. Hang on to your cash and don't be blinded by the prospect of a flying job. To a young bloke, £20K could be 1/5th of the capital needed to buy your first house - you'll carry that for 25 years and Ryan Air wouldn't even miss it at all (my 757 took £4K on the bar coming back from Larnaca the other day!!!!)
It is of course a free market and if somebody can get a sprogg to fly for nothing then it's a free country. One day though you will no longer be a sprogg and you will have a wife kids and mortgage and you will resent being treated like a sprogg. Furhermore, blokes you meet at the pub who are plumbers and double glasing salesmen will annoy you because they are not pilots and yet they have no mortgages - think about it!
I wish you the best of luck but remember, you've put an awful lot of money and effort into your CPL/IR. Draw a line in the sand and the denominator will have to rise.
I think that you should heed the words of Tailscrape and others who clearly have some time under their belts. The industry has changed fundamentally over recent years and in some ways, this is no bad thing. However, as with all forces of change there comes a point where things go too far and the lowest common denominator prevails; which is the point that we are now at with Ryan Air.
I am sure that Tailscrape and I were both as desperate to fly for a living once as you now are. The fact is though that once you're past the starry eyed phase, you resent being used. Any reputable business respects its employees and fosters a mutual respect between the individual and the employee over the long term.
In the short term this represents a training overhead to the company but in the long term, the company benefits from a loyal and professional workforce. Put simply, it is wrong to ask a potential employee to fund his rating or indeed to charge him for consideration of his CV. Hang on to your cash and don't be blinded by the prospect of a flying job. To a young bloke, £20K could be 1/5th of the capital needed to buy your first house - you'll carry that for 25 years and Ryan Air wouldn't even miss it at all (my 757 took £4K on the bar coming back from Larnaca the other day!!!!)
It is of course a free market and if somebody can get a sprogg to fly for nothing then it's a free country. One day though you will no longer be a sprogg and you will have a wife kids and mortgage and you will resent being treated like a sprogg. Furhermore, blokes you meet at the pub who are plumbers and double glasing salesmen will annoy you because they are not pilots and yet they have no mortgages - think about it!
I wish you the best of luck but remember, you've put an awful lot of money and effort into your CPL/IR. Draw a line in the sand and the denominator will have to rise.
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here here high volt
i am a hypocrite because i believe it is a complete travesty that u have to pay for your training, there is no other industry like it in the world. I paid for mine but i was 99% sure i would have a job, it fell through but i walked into another - just lucky. Its a disgrace, especially the line training....
The airlines can afford to pay the type rating costs but like any company they want to keep all the cash in the business - times are not quite as hard as the airlines would like you to believe
its a tricky subject, but i would not be recommending self sponsered type ratings to everyone, only the mad and if your parents can help out etc
i am a hypocrite because i believe it is a complete travesty that u have to pay for your training, there is no other industry like it in the world. I paid for mine but i was 99% sure i would have a job, it fell through but i walked into another - just lucky. Its a disgrace, especially the line training....
The airlines can afford to pay the type rating costs but like any company they want to keep all the cash in the business - times are not quite as hard as the airlines would like you to believe
its a tricky subject, but i would not be recommending self sponsered type ratings to everyone, only the mad and if your parents can help out etc
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AH, the selections done by the training providers is exactly the same as a normal job interview and selection by the airline. The interview is done by the airline Mr Dooney. This means you are as lucky if called upon as for normal selections.
Once in the system and selected you are basically 99.9% sure of a job. This all means that they will not select and train just to sell you a rating.
I believe that Gecat and CAE are full for this year but you can better check with them.
Once in the system and selected you are basically 99.9% sure of a job. This all means that they will not select and train just to sell you a rating.
I believe that Gecat and CAE are full for this year but you can better check with them.
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Tailscrape is right. I've studied economics and the phenomenon we've mentioned you'll find in every sector of industry. As long we are willing to pay for our own rating, the airlines will ask you to do so. Mention this similarity: In 2001 all states in Europe changed their currency into the euro. Since then the pricing of simular products being rised, the catering industry in particular.But as long as we're willing to pay 30% more for the same glass of beer, the industry won't lower their prices. It's simple as that.
Within a couple of years (after the recession) our industry will make a turn around as part of flying is not that exclusive anymore. Take the low budget airlines for example. Could you imagine they only serve sealed sandwiches en M&M's 10 years ago? I predict for the near future years the request for pilots will increase (due to the increasing of easy accessibility of flighttravelling whitch affects the number airmovements), BUT this phenomenon will also effects the average overhead costs (read our salary). Instead of this the airliners will pay your type rating. In the meantime (nowadays) the offer you a low salaryjob AND you need to pay your own rating...(poor rookie ab initio's...)
Just like the ICT sector, the sky-is-the-limit-salary-time is past. The last 2 years this sector fired at least 30% of their staff members due to the recession. All those won't getting hired for the same (big) salary again ever...
Within a couple of years (after the recession) our industry will make a turn around as part of flying is not that exclusive anymore. Take the low budget airlines for example. Could you imagine they only serve sealed sandwiches en M&M's 10 years ago? I predict for the near future years the request for pilots will increase (due to the increasing of easy accessibility of flighttravelling whitch affects the number airmovements), BUT this phenomenon will also effects the average overhead costs (read our salary). Instead of this the airliners will pay your type rating. In the meantime (nowadays) the offer you a low salaryjob AND you need to pay your own rating...(poor rookie ab initio's...)
Just like the ICT sector, the sky-is-the-limit-salary-time is past. The last 2 years this sector fired at least 30% of their staff members due to the recession. All those won't getting hired for the same (big) salary again ever...
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All of your posts are good however, you are forgetting one thing. Asking people to wait for times to get better before doing it is like asking people nowadays to so without the credit shops will give you and save the money. I am sure that some characters will do this and for the right reason but there will ALWAYS be enough people who will do this as it is the first chance of a job.
Can you realistically deny them the chance to get a job. Probably not if the airlines are offering it. Only way to stop it is for employed pilots to bring it up with the unions and ballot on it. After all from the arguments put here it will be affecting your salaries.
Personally the reason I won't do the TR thing is I have a stable job which pays the debts and I can not get the time off to do a TR.
Can you realistically deny them the chance to get a job. Probably not if the airlines are offering it. Only way to stop it is for employed pilots to bring it up with the unions and ballot on it. After all from the arguments put here it will be affecting your salaries.
Personally the reason I won't do the TR thing is I have a stable job which pays the debts and I can not get the time off to do a TR.
