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JAR 25
One of the requirements for application for a particular airline is JAR 25 experience, Can someone tell me what exactly JAR 25 experience.??????
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JAR 23 covers Normal/Utility/Aerobatic category airplanes w/ 9 or less PAX seats, MTOW < 5.670 kgs/12.500 lbs, and
Commuter category airplanes, propeller driven, w/ 19 or less PAX seats, MTOW < 8.618 kgs/19.000 lbs
JAR 25 covers Transport category airplanes (not excluding turbo-props)
In more general terms, one might say that JAR23 are Single Pilot Aircraft (SPA) whereas JAR25 covers Multi Pilot Aircraft (MPA).
Pilots with >500 hrs MPA gain credit in certain circumstances in JAR-FCL-1, such as MCC credit, etc. That might be one reason why some airlines now specify JAR25-experience. (Note that a change to FCL has been adopted, including, under certain conditions, time flown in multi-crew JAR-OPS-compliant operations on SPA as equal to JAR25-time. This however, doesen't mean that the airlines aren't free to set whatever reqiurements they wish)
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Commuter category airplanes, propeller driven, w/ 19 or less PAX seats, MTOW < 8.618 kgs/19.000 lbs
JAR 25 covers Transport category airplanes (not excluding turbo-props)
In more general terms, one might say that JAR23 are Single Pilot Aircraft (SPA) whereas JAR25 covers Multi Pilot Aircraft (MPA).
Pilots with >500 hrs MPA gain credit in certain circumstances in JAR-FCL-1, such as MCC credit, etc. That might be one reason why some airlines now specify JAR25-experience. (Note that a change to FCL has been adopted, including, under certain conditions, time flown in multi-crew JAR-OPS-compliant operations on SPA as equal to JAR25-time. This however, doesen't mean that the airlines aren't free to set whatever reqiurements they wish)
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redbar 1
Interesting bit of information, the situation to which you refer in your last paragraph applies to me and a few chaps at work exactly.
So just to clarify what you wrote, if you have a MPA instrument rating on an aircraft which was initially certified SPA and you work for an approved JAR ops AOC setup, you have JAR 25 experience?
You wouldn't be so kind as to point me in the direction of where i could do some reading on this.
Thanks!
Interesting bit of information, the situation to which you refer in your last paragraph applies to me and a few chaps at work exactly.
So just to clarify what you wrote, if you have a MPA instrument rating on an aircraft which was initially certified SPA and you work for an approved JAR ops AOC setup, you have JAR 25 experience?
You wouldn't be so kind as to point me in the direction of where i could do some reading on this.
Thanks!
PPRuNe Handmaiden
Impressive wingspan,
That little rider in the CAA's doc's mainly pertains to folk trying to get the 500 hours multi crew experience for their ATPL.
A JAR 23 aircraft isn't a JAR 25 aircraft, it's the multi crew time that's relevant here.
All that stuff can be found in the CAA-SRG's site. Look atSection G for more info.
That little rider in the CAA's doc's mainly pertains to folk trying to get the 500 hours multi crew experience for their ATPL.
A JAR 23 aircraft isn't a JAR 25 aircraft, it's the multi crew time that's relevant here.
All that stuff can be found in the CAA-SRG's site. Look atSection G for more info.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ighlight=JAR25
Being in Oz you might be more familiar with FAR. You can assume that JAR-25 = FAR-25 = BCAR Section D, but you won't find many of the latter left.
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Being in Oz you might be more familiar with FAR. You can assume that JAR-25 = FAR-25 = BCAR Section D, but you won't find many of the latter left.
G
PPRuNe Handmaiden
Same as CAO 20.7.1b
You know, the ol' 2 pilots, at least 2 engines, capable of guaranteed performance with an engine out at V1.
Eg Shorts 360, Dash 8, Saab 340 and bigger. Not King air, bandeirante, Twin Otter.
You know, the ol' 2 pilots, at least 2 engines, capable of guaranteed performance with an engine out at V1.
Eg Shorts 360, Dash 8, Saab 340 and bigger. Not King air, bandeirante, Twin Otter.
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JAR25 (Joint Airworthiness Requirements) is book that lists the requirements for the design, build and operation of a "large turbine powered" commercial aircraft above a certain seating capacity and weight. I can't remember the size but it is something in the mid to high teens I think.
Below this aircraft are manufactured to JAR23, which covers puddle jumpers.
Below this aircraft are manufactured to JAR23, which covers puddle jumpers.
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How does this sound:
Above 5700 kg MTOM, more than 19 pax and ME turbine powered (turboprop/jet).
This is off the top of my head, so I might wrong. Below 19 I think makes JAR 23.
The smallest JAR 25 I believe is the Saab 340.
/LnS
Edit: I was wrong. Above 5700 and 19 pax makes commuter category so the limit to JAR 25 is higher than this.
Above 5700 kg MTOM, more than 19 pax and ME turbine powered (turboprop/jet).
This is off the top of my head, so I might wrong. Below 19 I think makes JAR 23.
The smallest JAR 25 I believe is the Saab 340.
/LnS
Edit: I was wrong. Above 5700 and 19 pax makes commuter category so the limit to JAR 25 is higher than this.
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This has been covered here before: here.
Note that I found that via a Google search which brought up a lot of other info about JAR-25 (and FAR-25) which may give you more useful info.
Scroggs
Note that I found that via a Google search which brought up a lot of other info about JAR-25 (and FAR-25) which may give you more useful info.
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JAR 25
I've tried a search about this, but without luck, although i do remember seeing a thread about it. I know JAR 25 is about heavy aircraft, but is there a minimum pax requirment.
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JAR-25 aircraft
I know this has been asked before but the search of pprune and the JAA website is not working for me. So, could someone please tell me what a JAR-25 aircraft is?
I found a clue on the JAA website; JAR-25 = "large aircraft", JAR-23 = "normal, utility, aerobatic and commuter".
Anyone care to expand?
I found a clue on the JAA website; JAR-25 = "large aircraft", JAR-23 = "normal, utility, aerobatic and commuter".
Anyone care to expand?
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Redbar1 wrote:
JAR 23 covers Normal/Utility/Aerobatic category airplanes w/ 9 or less PAX seats, MTOW < 5.670 kgs/12.500 lbs, and
Commuter category airplanes, propeller driven, w/ 19 or less PAX seats, MTOW < 8.618 kgs/19.000 lbs
JAR 25 covers Transport category airplanes (not excluding turbo-props)
In more general terms, one might say that JAR23 are Single Pilot Aircraft (SPA) whereas JAR25 covers Multi Pilot Aircraft (MPA).
Where does this come from?
Is the Beech 1900C and/or 1900D JAR 25??
It is listed as FAR 25 and FAR 23 on the FAA website.
It is MTOW 7765kg. 19 passengers. Certified for single pilot I believe, although we operate as 2 crew.
It meets all the performance criteria for JAR 25.
What is the defintion of Transport vs Commuter category?
Searches on the JAA, EASA and CAA websites have me going round in circles!
Many thanks for replies.
JAR 23 covers Normal/Utility/Aerobatic category airplanes w/ 9 or less PAX seats, MTOW < 5.670 kgs/12.500 lbs, and
Commuter category airplanes, propeller driven, w/ 19 or less PAX seats, MTOW < 8.618 kgs/19.000 lbs
JAR 25 covers Transport category airplanes (not excluding turbo-props)
In more general terms, one might say that JAR23 are Single Pilot Aircraft (SPA) whereas JAR25 covers Multi Pilot Aircraft (MPA).
Where does this come from?
Is the Beech 1900C and/or 1900D JAR 25??
It is listed as FAR 25 and FAR 23 on the FAA website.
It is MTOW 7765kg. 19 passengers. Certified for single pilot I believe, although we operate as 2 crew.
It meets all the performance criteria for JAR 25.
What is the defintion of Transport vs Commuter category?
Searches on the JAA, EASA and CAA websites have me going round in circles!
Many thanks for replies.
