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Old 30th Oct 2019, 18:05
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Originally Posted by Vaero View Post
Yes yes you're all right. They are based there but the position of Cruise Relief Pilot is based in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. I don't know much about terminology but I do know that a base is where you work and return to and also where your contract will be.

In addition to the above they've bumped up the requirements up to 300/400 actual flight hours which is out of the range of anyone out of flight school, unless you were really bad and had to do it twice!
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EDIT: Also, Iceland isn't even in the EU!
You will have home base where you live and you will be positioned to where you are needed. This may be ANYWHERE in the World, alright?! Jeddah is just mentioned to make sure candidates are aware that part of the flying is out of Saudi Arabia.

Iceland is part of the European economic area, and the Airline is EASA. Except a current and long-term acmi contract in Saudi Arabia, the company has no link with that country, and new cadets are supposed to work freely worldwide and able to obtain visa’s easily, as is common with EU citizens.

you seem a real PITA with an attitude. Not good if you want to become an pilot onboard a widebody jet buddy.

to the remark that you’ll get 10 $ a day, well, that is simply ridiculous. For cadets coming straight from the Academy, the Cruise reliefs earn a decent fee for the role they perform.
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 18:42
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Originally Posted by Icelanta View Post


You will have home base where you live and you will be positioned to where you are needed. This may be ANYWHERE in the World, alright?! Jeddah is just mentioned to make sure candidates are aware that part of the flying is out of Saudi Arabia.

Iceland is part of the European economic area, and the Airline is EASA. Except a current and long-term acmi contract in Saudi Arabia, the company has no link with that country, and new cadets are supposed to work freely worldwide and able to obtain visa’s easily, as is common with EU citizens.

you seem a real PITA with an attitude. Not good if you want to become an pilot onboard a widebody jet buddy.

to the remark that you’ll get 10 $ a day, well, that is simply ridiculous. For cadets coming straight from the Academy, the Cruise reliefs earn a decent fee for the role they perform.
Agreed.

The intellect of some so called pilots baffles me. Two in particular stand out.

Crewing the queen of the skies would be a privilege to the fortunate few. Rather be SO/FO on her and build experience, see the world outside of Europe, rather than spend entire career on a 737 flying to Faro and straight back to Leeds, then down to the pub (as they do) on day off. Makes one bitter, it seems
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 19:08
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Originally Posted by Cognoscenti View Post


Agreed.

The intellect of some so called pilots baffles me. Two in particular stand out.

Crewing the queen of the skies would be a privilege to the fortunate few. Rather be SO/FO on her and build experience, see the world outside of Europe, rather than spend entire career on a 737 flying to Faro and straight back to Leeds, then down to the pub (as they do) on day off. Makes one bitter, it seems
Seriously? What tha hell is wrong with flying your whole career a B737. You feel yourself to good to fly medium and short haul?

There is a huge variety of operations. Also with B737. Last year I flew 19 different airports with the B737. This year around 20 as well.

Every person is different. Some like the relaxed lifestyle of Long Haul, others find it boring.
Some just want rather lots of take offs and landings.

I love flying short and medium haul. Nevertheless, I will soon experience also Long Haul as I change employers. Both have their Pro's and Cons, but saying short haul is shit and long haul is all that matters, sorry but that does not show a nice attitude.

Keep in mind that where I did this year in my 350 hrs on B737 around 200 Landings where on the B747 you make maybe around 10-25 landings at most per year. If at all.

Let it be clear, I am looking forward to my new challenge but it is a whole different operation.
And if you do not have lot of experience, you should be happy with any kind of job.
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 19:57
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Originally Posted by P40Warhawk View Post
Seriously? What tha hell is wrong with flying your whole career a B737. You feel yourself to good to fly medium and short haul?

There is a huge variety of operations. Also with B737. Last year I flew 19 different airports with the B737. This year around 20 as well.

Every person is different. Some like the relaxed lifestyle of Long Haul, others find it boring.
Some just want rather lots of take offs and landings.

I love flying short and medium haul. Nevertheless, I will soon experience also Long Haul as I change employers. Both have their Pro's and Cons, but saying short haul is shit and long haul is all that matters, sorry but that does not show a nice attitude.

Keep in mind that where I did this year in my 350 hrs on B737 around 200 Landings where on the B747 you make maybe around 10-25 landings at most per year. If at all.

Let it be clear, I am looking forward to my new challenge but it is a whole different operation.
And if you do not have lot of experience, you should be happy with any kind of job.
Your interpretation is interesting (narrow minded). You need to manage your temperament.

The point was you actually get to visit places worldwide. Flying up and down Europe is fine, it’s not as vast or as exciting as long haul destinations in general.


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Old 30th Oct 2019, 20:26
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Originally Posted by Icelanta View Post


You will have home base where you live and you will be positioned to where you are needed. This may be ANYWHERE in the World, alright?! Jeddah is just mentioned to make sure candidates are aware that part of the flying is out of Saudi Arabia.

Iceland is part of the European economic area, and the Airline is EASA. Except a current and long-term acmi contract in Saudi Arabia, the company has no link with that country, and new cadets are supposed to work freely worldwide and able to obtain visa’s easily, as is common with EU citizens.

you seem a real PITA with an attitude. Not good if you want to become an pilot onboard a widebody jet buddy.

to the remark that you’ll get 10 $ a day, well, that is simply ridiculous. For cadets coming straight from the Academy, the Cruise reliefs earn a decent fee for the role they perform.
Unfortunately I don't know what PITA means so I can't return the compliment. I don't think I have an attitude - I wasn't being sarcastic, I am truly not familiar with the terminology. I do know some details, such as flight crews being able to obtain easy visas, even if you're not an EU citizen, plus there are some countries that have stronger passports than some EU nations (Can you believe the top position actually goes to Asian countries). As far as I'm aware, Iceland, despite being part of the EEA is not bound by EU labor law which restricts jobs to EU citizens first and foremost because an Iceland-based airline earlier this year was recruiting international cadets for Second Officer positions, I have also searched up the airline, which has an office in Saudi Arabia, and many employees who are based there (according to LinkedIn) which is why I said what I did.

No need to get agitated
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 21:36
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Originally Posted by Cognoscenti View Post


Your interpretation is interesting (narrow minded). You need to manage your temperament.

The point was you actually get to visit places worldwide. Flying up and down Europe is fine, it’s not as vast or as exciting as long haul destinations in general.


I am actually rather calm.

Just your comment gave little bit strange picture of how you think.

I just wanted to say, that everyone has different preferences, needs and dreams.

There is many interesting operations in aviation.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 12:23
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what agency did you guys apply through please
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 18:37
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Originally Posted by Cognoscenti View Post


Agreed.

The intellect of some so called pilots baffles me. Two in particular stand out.

Crewing the queen of the skies would be a privilege to the fortunate few. Rather be SO/FO on her and build experience, see the world outside of Europe, rather than spend entire career on a 737 flying to Faro and straight back to Leeds, then down to the pub (as they do) on day off. Makes one bitter, it seems
And that is why the pay is rubbish at a lot of operators , crewing the “ queen of the skies “ is not a privilege , it’s a JOB and should be paid as such . Wake up and lose the spotter mentality .

As for “ seeing the world “, have you ever spent any time doing the hajj or time in Jeddah ? It’s not very nice, trust me.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 19:17
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I have a question, I've sent the application 5 days ago, just on time, I have 200 flying hours and 75 PIC, as the requierement was 200h and 70 PIC I sent it, but I just got the normal email saying that the have recivied the application and so on, but my question is, how much time does it normally take till they contact you, a friend of mine got the answer 3 days later,

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Old 31st Oct 2019, 19:48
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Originally Posted by Meester proach View Post
And that is why the pay is rubbish at a lot of operators , crewing the “ queen of the skies “ is not a privilege , it’s a JOB and should be paid as such . Wake up and lose the spotter mentality .

As for “ seeing the world “, have you ever spent any time doing the hajj or time in Jeddah ? It’s not very nice, trust me.
Exactly, the naïveté is almost amusing....if you’re a cadet, by all means. But experienced pilots accepting these terms? Tremendously shortsighted!
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 20:00
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Originally Posted by Cognoscenti View Post

Crewing the queen of the skies would be a privilege to the fortunate few.
😂

A job is a job mate
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 22:44
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Originally Posted by Meester proach View Post
And that is why the pay is rubbish at a lot of operators , crewing the “ queen of the skies “ is not a privilege , it’s a JOB and should be paid as such . Wake up and lose the spotter mentality .

As for “ seeing the world “, have you ever spent any time doing the hajj or time in Jeddah ? It’s not very nice, trust me.
A lot better than Africa!

if you’re into water sport like scuba diving, fishing, you can drive off to the red sea or if your bored and need to get out it’s a quick flight to Dubai.

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Originally Posted by Cognoscenti View Post
Seems some of the short haul drivers here have a bee in their bonnet. Funny.

Enjoy your daily grind (job) in your aeroplane, whatever it is, that makes you come across as riveting company. Would be lovely to meet up and see what most of your insecurities are all about. Conversations go differently then. More cogent.

And yes, I do like the 747
Oh get out of your high horse mate, your tone has been condescending from the get go! It seems that you have an issue that you conveniently failed to share. Don’t you think the people responsible don’t read these forums? Think again, I can guarantee you.

I bet you’re still an instructor, as I cannot see a Captain or FO for a reputable airline, leave greater conditions to join this. It seems that you’re interested in the role? So apply and get on with your preparation, as insulting “737 drivers” won’t get you far, ever mind the job.

If there is anyone that comes across as “riveting”
company, thats you buddy. Flying the 737 or A320 is a great goal to aspire If it’s done right. Nobody will poop on your dreams but you need to check your attitude. I know instructing gets some guys a little angry but I feel that it would be beneficial for you, and others, to search the old, 21 page long thread on the airline. There is plenty of information regarding the deal(it hasn’t changed much).

Yeah the 747 is a beauty, but you’re naive to think you’ll be in conditions matching the Longhaul pilot’s lifestyle of other 747 operators. Saying that “it’s a job”, is not about laying waste to the role or the profession. You will still be shouted at by arsey captains, you will still get fatigued, you won’t see much if you’re on minimum rest, tired and not being paid well, you will miss your family, management will piss you off etc ..the novelty wears off very quick, be it a 747 or 737. Refusing such conditions is more honourable than coming to a forum With pompous attitude, would be “interesting to meet?” . Honestly...sit down.
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Oh get out of your high horse mate, your tone has been condescending from the get go! It seems that you have an issue that you conveniently failed to share. Don’t you think the people responsible don’t read these forums? Think again, I can guarantee you.

I bet you’re still an instructor, as I cannot see a Captain or FO for a reputable airline, leave greater conditions to join this. It seems that you’re interested in the role? So apply and get on with your preparation, as insulting “737 drivers” won’t get you far, ever mind the job.

If there is anyone that comes across as “riveting”
company, thats you buddy. Flying the 737 or A320 is a great goal to aspire If it’s done right. Nobody will poop on your dreams but you need to check your attitude. I know instructing gets some guys a little angry but I feel that it would be beneficial for you, and others, to search the old, 21 page long thread on the airline. There is plenty of information regarding the deal(it hasn’t changed much).

Yeah the 747 is a beauty, but you’re naive to think you’ll be in conditions matching the Longhaul pilot’s lifestyle of other 747 operators. Saying that “it’s a job”, is not about laying waste to the role or the profession. You will still be shouted at by arsey captains, you will still get fatigued, you won’t see much if you’re on minimum rest, tired and not being paid well, you will miss your family, management will piss you off etc ..the novelty wears off very quick, be it a 747 or 737. Refusing such conditions is more honourable than coming to a forum With pompous attitude, would be “interesting to meet?” . Honestly...sit down.
I appreciate your lengthy reply guided by your insecurities. That’s your life story, not interested. No pomp or arrogance here. And please bet all you want. Nothing wrong with Airbus or Boeing, lots of my students deservedly fly them.
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I appreciate your lengthy reply guided by your insecurities. That’s your life story, not interested. No pomp or arrogance here. And please bet all you want. Nothing wrong with Airbus or Boeing, lots of my students deservedly fly them.
“Lots of my students” exactly, you’re a flight instructor and come here laying waste on people who actually made it into the 737 funnily enough...Insecurities? Hahaha nothing to prove, I fly a beautiful plane and treat all of my colleagues with dignity and respect, same as I would you. Shame you look like those who do not reciprocate. You need to check yourself out mate. Apply for the role, wish you the best of luck, and when you go through the system we will talk as you think you know, but you know nothing.
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Honestly...sit down.
Ok, that was quite funny
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Originally Posted by Meester proach View Post
And that is why the pay is rubbish at a lot of operators , crewing the “ queen of the skies “ is not a privilege , it’s a JOB and should be paid as such . Wake up and lose the spotter mentality .

As for “ seeing the world “, have you ever spent any time doing the hajj or time in Jeddah ? It’s not very nice, trust me.
Yes, it is a JOB, but a demanding job requiring maturity and loyalty .

Jeddah is not that bad, good food, great accomodation, and you will NOT spend all the time there anyhow.
It is actually better than some places in the UK.

regarding your ridiculous assumption that a Cruise Relief is paid 10$ Per day,... you can multiply this by 11.




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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 12:24
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Yes, it is a JOB, but a demanding job requiring maturity and loyalty .

Jeddah is not that bad, good food, great accomodation, and you will NOT spend all the time there anyhow.
It is actually better than some places in the UK.

regarding your ridiculous assumption that a Cruise Relief is paid 10$ Per day,... you can multiply this by 11.




so 110 times what, 20 days a month?This equals to 2200 USD / month. What if you are sick? 13th month? Pension? LoL? Based in JED... where can I sign and spend all my perdiems on sadiki?

come on icelanta. If it looks like shit, smells like shit, tastes like shit. It probably is ....
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 20:43
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Cognoscenti, pick the right company and you can fly a 737 all over the world. I have had the pleasure of flying a 737 to and from the America's ,North and South, All over Africa, the Middle East, Asia and of course Europe.
But if you want to log zero landings on an Aircraft, keeping a seat warm on the right and living in Saudi, rather you than me, I've been several times...then be my guest.
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Originally Posted by Icelanta View Post


Yes, it is a JOB, but a demanding job requiring maturity and loyalty .

Jeddah is not that bad, good food, great accomodation, and you will NOT spend all the time there anyhow.
It is actually better than some places in the UK.

regarding your ridiculous assumption that a Cruise Relief is paid 10$ Per day,... you can multiply this by 11.




HAHA Ha, so $110 a day to be a cruise pilot on a 747 ? That’s xxxxxxx ridiculous. Stay at Starbucks , make more.

this is the major problem with the youth of today - they tolerate being treated badly by their first company , in the hope they then go somewhere nice.....but “ somewhere. Nice “ has seen how little pay the others can get away with , so it no longer exists.


And as for Jeddah being nicer than some parts of the UK ? Might be as much religious zealotry in some inner city ghettoes , but no one gets their head cutoff on Fridays I believe.
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