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Old 13th Mar 2019, 21:07
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Originally Posted by Stocious View Post
The recruitment team have worked very hard for years against very strict recruitment/cost policy, so that they can open up recruitment from different paths, including low houred modular pilots like yourself, and people still moan. Yes, a type-rating cost isn't ideal but it's a means to a pretty good career if you can stand it. How much is paying for your own ME/IR training these days with no job at the end of it? The recruitment team didn't want it, but this is the best they can get in present climate. They're still working on other recruitment paths as well.



Have a word with yourself. A career at BA is now open to thousands of fATPL holders when it previously wasn't - hardly a sad day for aviation.
The recruitment team are working hard to open up these avenues, including cadet schemes. The appetite is there, it's a case of getting approval from on high which is the current difficulty at BA.
Rather than tell others to have a word with themselves consider why any one would pay for a type rating to add to the training debt they no doubt all ready have and then have to try and find accomodation in the South East? This is far from opening up a career in BA to thousands, it is just a further financial barrier.

(3 types on my licence, never paid a type rating yet)
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 23:43
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Good for you.

Ultimately it's their choice whether they add to that debt, but I stand by my opinion that BA is more open to low houred pilots than it was before.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 11:19
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Does anyone have some more information about the actual process? What will happen after you apply?
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 18:53
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There is a huge amount of detail on the BA selection process in the BA DEP thread in Terms and Endearment. I would imagine the process will be almost identical.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 12:05
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Anybody know any details of the salary for this? Trying to assess whether it's worth me paying the £18k TR or not. If prefer to keep private, please PM me.
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 01:56
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Has anyone heard anything since submitting application? I believe recruitment closes today but I haven't heard anything since I completed the online assessments
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 21:31
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Anyone had interviews yet?
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 16:17
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Originally Posted by Stocious View Post
You'll be on SSP (self sponsored pilot) pay, which is more than FPP pay but less than DEP pay, as you won't have the experience for DEP pay. If you want the actual figures, PM me.

I'm not sure 5/4 counts as control, but I'm five years in, didn't take an early command nor went LH as soon as I could. I sit high on my relative fleet and get pretty much the perfect roster every month with long weekends off, 2 sector daylight day trips, and I'm not even close to 700hrs for the year. If my fancy takes it, I'm senior enough for any LH fleet or an LGW command.

If a RYR cadet gets £75k a year at PP2 then good on them, but don't be fooled into thinking it's because it's out of the generosity of their hearts. The bond is there for a reason - to stop people leaving early to other operators!
I assume that the "SSP" catches up with "DEP" after a number of years? Also can anyone tell me how different LHR and LGW are for operations.. i.e. trips, night stops etc
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 13:34
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Originally Posted by MaverickPrime View Post
Stocious, whilst I very much welcome the fact that BA have opened the door to all of us wannabes; having to pay for a TR is as insulting as the 2.7% pay rise BA have offered their pilots with the backdrop of record profits.

Incidently, do you happen to know what folks who are successful through this scheme are likely to earn? I would very much hope to be starting on the same pay as an experienced DEP after having paid for my rating.

I wouldn’t be able to submit an application to BA as I can’t afford the £18k. I will however submit an application to Ryanair, if I’m successful, they will charge me a €5k bond and will pay me £75k in my second year on a 5/4 roster. How many years would I have to be at BA to have that sort of control over my roster?

I absolutely do not pin the downsides of the BA scheme on the recruitment team. I pin it on Alex Cruz and the other greedy muppets at the top.


I am sorry to burst your bubble, but Ryanair aren't keeping their promises, as expected. Be very careful and make sure you read the contract in detail before signing it.
You will be on a reduced salary until you reach 500+ with the company, they won't tell you that until later. The 75K is "average", depend on your base and contract etc. You will also have to fork every cost associated with you starting the job. I have just renewed my airport car park for example and it cost me an arm and a leg. If you factor the money spent on car park, ID costs (they say they give you back, I'm still waiting), uniform, accommodation during training(even for during your recurrent sim checks you have to pay), food/drinks daily, you'll be earning the same as a BA FO.

BA will offer loss of licence insurance, car park, life insurance, hotels whilst on duty including training, medicals, ID costs, crew meals etc....
Also, the 5/4 works if you're based home or somewhere commutable to/from home. Most likely you won't get the base of your choice! Only one guy from my type rating got his home base of choice. You will lose two days commuting and staff travel is not available until you complete six months. Also, jump-seating is for operational use, some captains get funny...
No night-stops, which is nice for someone who has children but you cant help to feel like a bus driver ( subjective).
The environment at my base sucks, you'll get abuse from LTC's(many shouters out there) as a lot of them hate the company but are "stuck" to their high salaries. They genuinely don't like training anymore but its a good gig money wise to end their careers. People are miserable, cabin crew a bullied by the company and every week I speak to one or another who were "let go" because they dared calling sick when...they were sick.
Another example of how much of a joke the airline is, the past two days, crews were told to pack a pillow due to the disruption in Portugal( fuel tankers strike), as they may have to sleep in the crew rooms/aircraft. They cant even provide hotels for their crews during disruption...

Trust me, if you can get the 18K, do it, you'll be better off long term!

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Old 17th Apr 2019, 13:59
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Originally Posted by Raph737 View Post
BA will offer .....hotels whilst on duty including training,..
Minor but important point of order: that is generally only the case if you are assigned training away from your base, e.g. being an early convertee onto a new type and doing a manufacturers course, or doing training at LHR but are based elsewhere with BA.

If, as is more likely, you are LHR based and training at the “Global Learning Academy” at LHR (e.g. conversion course, command course, recurrent sims, SEP, any of the occasional other group training days, etc etc) you find and fund your own accommodation.

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Old 17th Apr 2019, 19:11
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Originally Posted by Highflyerp View Post
I assume that the "SSP" catches up with "DEP" after a number of years? Also can anyone tell me how different LHR and LGW are for operations.. i.e. trips, night stops etc
SSP pay catches up with DEP on year 8. It’s considerably lower to start with but has large incremental rises each year.
I’m as junior as you can be at LHR and average 4-6 nights away a month. The rest are ‘short’ day trips. But even at the bottom of the seniority list if you’re not fussed about which days you work you can manage it a tiny bit.
LGW can’t really comment. Having a look at other guys rosters it’s all day trips unless you specifically ask for night stops. Only 3 are JER/GLA/EDI I believe (stand to be corrected).
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 13:36
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Minor but important point of order: that is generally only the case if you are assigned training away from your base, e.g. being an early convertee onto a new type and doing a manufacturers course, or doing training at LHR but are based elsewhere with BA.

If, as is more likely, you are LHR based and training at the “Global Learning Academy” at LHR (e.g. conversion course, command course, recurrent sims, SEP, any of the occasional other group training days, etc etc) you find and fund your own accommodation.
Thank's for adding. That said, just clarifying certain realities about the Ryanair deal. Financially, the investment is much larger than €5K euros, and it takes a while to recover as your salary is reduced. Work/life balance is poor, morale is low within the work force and it's an incredibly negative place to be. People keep going on about 75K this and that...I'm yet to meet an FO on the new deal that makes that much after tax. You spend so much money on basics that I doubt it's true you get to that figures before year 3.
Captains get paid well and get the leave they want etc, but that's another argument.
The salary at BA will be higher and you'll feel looked after. I know it may not be perfect, but based on my experience and others, I can categorically say that RYR does not care about it's workforce, is nothing new.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 10:05
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Few things I’m curious about at BA, I can see how the overall package at BA might be good, but...

When you are downroute on a layover do BA pick up the bill for your food etc?

Is is it possible to commute if you live in another part of the U.K.? Pretty important for me as I wouldn’t want to live in London if I were working in BA.

If you are a commuter, will your staff travel cover commuting?

Bit of a trivial one, but is it possible to get business class tickets on BA Staff Travel?
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 11:48
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Few things I’m curious about at BA, I can see how the overall package at BA might be good, but...

When you are downroute on a layover do BA pick up the bill for your food etc?

Is is it possible to commute if you live in another part of the U.K.? Pretty important for me as I wouldn’t want to live in London if I were working in BA.

If you are a commuter, will your staff travel cover commuting?

Bit of a trivial one, but is it possible to get business class tickets on BA Staff Travel?
They won't pick the bill but the hotels are often 5*. Some long-haul destinations in the Caribbean out of Gatwick, the hotels are all inclusive so you don't pay anyway. However, you have crew meals whilst onboard, something that does make a difference in comparison to RYR, just do the maths based on how much you eat.

Plenty of BA pilots commute, not only from the UK but Europe too. There is plenty of info on this subject on the other thread(Terms & endearment), take into consideration that commuting is not for everyone.

Yes you can use staff travel for commuting, but still your responsibility to get to work on time and rested, no matter what airline it is. Staff Travel won't give you priority just because you're going to work, you need to plan accordingly. There are ways to check in the system how busy the flight is, you can message the operating captain etc.

You can get Business or even First class with BA staff travel. You can either purchase a basic staff travel ticket which is something in the region of 10% of the fare plus taxes, or a premium ticket which is 30% plus taxes. The premium gives you Club load priority.

I have lots of friends at BA and often use the BA staff travel myself, it works just fine and it's a great perk to have. You can add friends or family or both (up to 3 I think).

At RYR you can jumpseat when going to work but that is also based on a standby basis, if there are no seats and the captain won't release the flight deck jump-seat, you won't go anywhere. Most of the times is ok, but very busy during the summer. You must be in uniform at all times and wait until boarding has finished, and at some bases the process can be quite complicated because you need to go through normal passenger security.

I hope this answer your questions! Again, some people will prefer on to the other.

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Old 28th Apr 2019, 16:17
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Has anyone had a reply from BA other than the 2 online tests?
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Old 28th Apr 2019, 20:32
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Has anyone had a reply from BA other than the 2 online tests?
nothing just saying you have been successful and will be in touch
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Old 3rd May 2019, 17:20
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