BA DEP A320
BA website
https://jobs.ba.com/jobs/vacancy/new...3/description/ £18k for the type rating required Good luck to all |
I have first time CPL and ME/IR passes but had to repeat 1 ATPL subject ... anyone know if that's acceptable? I only see to have to have passed the 14 exams |
Wow are they seriously charging more than 4 times what Ryanair is for a type rating �� ? |
From the PDF linked at the bottom of the job description:
- An average ATPL Ground School score of 85% and above passed at the first attempt You can always apply and see what happens. |
Originally Posted by thisishomebrand
(Post 10403843)
From the PDF linked at the bottom of the job description:
- An average ATPL Ground School score of 85% and above passed at the first attempt You can always apply and see what happens. |
£18k is scandalous, and that’s not fake news?
If if you can avoid it, do not pay for type ratings. |
Originally Posted by A320LGW
(Post 10403898)
Averaged 92% but 1 retake still ... I guess the game is over before it even started :(
So don't let it get you down! Good luck! |
First the sponsored cadet programme was canned, now they're charging for type ratings.I bet not many people predicted a day when the type rating at Ryanair would be 3x cheaper than at BA.......
I'm surprised there's anyone left in the recruitment team, I would have thought most would have walked by now to avoid having their own reputation tarnished by this madness. To emphasise, this is an airline who just this week announced 2.6 billion pounds profits. Investing in 100 new pilots type ratings would cost (much) less than 0.1% of those profits, but it would appear that any sense of social responsibility has now been long forgotten. Another sad day for aviation.... |
BA has went down the drain in many ways from an employees point of few. |
BA has went down the drain in many ways from an employees point of few. I'm surprised there's anyone left in the recruitment team, I would have thought most would have walked by now to avoid having their own reputation tarnished by this madness. To emphasise, this is an airline who just this week announced 2.6 billion pounds profits. Investing in 100 new pilots type ratings would cost (much) less than 0.1% of those profits, but it would appear that any sense of social responsibility has now been long forgotten. Another sad day for aviation.... The recruitment team are working hard to open up these avenues, including cadet schemes. The appetite is there, it's a case of getting approval from on high which is the current difficulty at BA. |
Your GCSE’s certificates including Math’s, English and Science (excluding General studies and Critical Thinking) grade C and above plus proof you have 112 UCAS points according to the 2017 UCAS point system or equivalent. For international academic comparisons, see: naric.org.uk
Can anyone explain me a bit more about this requierement? I am not really sure what it is... |
Yes, a type-rating cost isn't ideal but it's a means to a pretty good career if you can stand it.
Originally Posted by Stocious
(Post 10405707)
The recruitment team are working hard to open up these avenues, including cadet schemes. The appetite is there, it's a case of getting approval from on high which is the current difficulty at BA.
At the end of the day I'm sure they will get plenty of applicants and it's great opportunity for those who get in. It's good that BA is open to modular cadets again. Trying to defend the morality of the scheme though, regardless of how many internal battles are going on, is a non-starter IMO. |
The choice is the simple - have this avenue with the Type Rating charge, or not have it at all. Which would you prefer?
How does allowing modular CPL holders the chance to join BA mean 'things are getting worse?" |
Originally Posted by Stocious
(Post 10405707)
How much is paying for your own ME/IR training these days with no job at the end of it?
You also have to admit, a bonded or funded scheme would attract better talent because there is now an additional barrier to people applying. |
Originally Posted by clvf88
(Post 10404115)
Its really not. I remember thinking my average was the most important thing in the world; I have no idea what it even was anymore. I know lots of guys from flight school with numerous fails who are flying all over the world for some great companies. It may preclude you from the odd role, but in general it has little impact; certainly beyond your first job.
So don't let it get you down! Good luck! |
The reason people are paying for training with no job guaranteed is because airlines are no longer funding the cost of training for pilots. People training are putting their life savings on the line to train and then an airline can't even show a bit of faith in the people they are hiring to pay for them to get trained on their fleet of aircraft? I know this isn't unique to BA, but its just a bit galling in the context of IAG reporting massive profits (although coming from a corporate background I can see the difficultly faced in getting investment from those high up in the business). You also have to admit, a bonded or funded scheme would attract better talent because there is now an additional barrier to people applying. |
Stocious, whilst I very much welcome the fact that BA have opened the door to all of us wannabes; having to pay for a TR is as insulting as the 2.7% pay rise BA have offered their pilots with the backdrop of record profits. Incidently, do you happen to know what folks who are successful through this scheme are likely to earn? I would very much hope to be starting on the same pay as an experienced DEP after having paid for my rating. I wouldn’t be able to submit an application to BA as I can’t afford the £18k. I will however submit an application to Ryanair, if I’m successful, they will charge me a €5k bond and will pay me £75k in my second year on a 5/4 roster. How many years would I have to be at BA to have that sort of control over my roster? I absolutely do not pin the downsides of the BA scheme on the recruitment team. I pin it on Alex Cruz and the other greedy muppets at the top. |
You'll be on SSP (self sponsored pilot) pay, which is more than FPP pay but less than DEP pay, as you won't have the experience for DEP pay. If you want the actual figures, PM me. I'm not sure 5/4 counts as control, but I'm five years in, didn't take an early command nor went LH as soon as I could. I sit high on my relative fleet and get pretty much the perfect roster every month with long weekends off, 2 sector daylight day trips, and I'm not even close to 700hrs for the year. If my fancy takes it, I'm senior enough for any LH fleet or an LGW command. If a RYR cadet gets £75k a year at PP2 then good on them, but don't be fooled into thinking it's because it's out of the generosity of their hearts. The bond is there for a reason - to stop people leaving early to other operators! |
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of this scheme, for those thinking of applying make sure you're clear about what happens to your 18k in the (unlikely) event you don't meet the required standard. Are you employed before you start? Is there a money back clause if it all goes wrong and if not, are you willing to take that risk? It's a lot of money to invest without guarantees.
BA is not the only option either, all the airlines below hire modular pilots with either a free rating or a bond with no upfront payment. Paying for a type rating doesn't have to be the norm. Jet2 Flybe BA Cityflyer Aer Lingus Loganair TCX / IAGO In short, do your homework :ok: |
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