EagleJet in this market? Really?
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101% agreed. There simply couldn't be a better advice on that.
Also, please do not compare P2F to overpriced type ratings, as many who choose to play devil's advocate do. It's not the same, although airlines also often have a finger in the pie in said type ratings. Paying a training provider for a course, whatever the price and the relation of that provider to the airline is one thing. Paying an employer to occupy a vacancy which could have otherwise been a paid job and someone's means to make a living is something completely different. And it can come back and bite your lower back in more than one way. I've seen myself recruiters who put the lowest priority on a candidate that seems to be coming from the P2F route. As attractive as it may seem to someone who has the money readily available, it will damage your prospects. Aviation is a very small world and the stain on your reputation will stay there for years.
Also, please do not compare P2F to overpriced type ratings, as many who choose to play devil's advocate do. It's not the same, although airlines also often have a finger in the pie in said type ratings. Paying a training provider for a course, whatever the price and the relation of that provider to the airline is one thing. Paying an employer to occupy a vacancy which could have otherwise been a paid job and someone's means to make a living is something completely different. And it can come back and bite your lower back in more than one way. I've seen myself recruiters who put the lowest priority on a candidate that seems to be coming from the P2F route. As attractive as it may seem to someone who has the money readily available, it will damage your prospects. Aviation is a very small world and the stain on your reputation will stay there for years.
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Any one with Eaglejet / Eagle Jet 2022
Anyone recently enrolled in one of eaglejet B737 or A320 programs and can share details such as where they do the TR / what airlines in Europe / North Africa are we talking about and how long does it take? Thanks to those who answer.
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Dear Arkanwings,
I'm considering this route as well, any update so far?
You can send me an email or I can send you a PM if you can make a room.I did research on it but I have never talked to anybody who has actually gone through this route.
If you could talk to me even a little, it would be very appreciated.
Even if you have not joined it, I am happy to share the information I gathered.
I'm considering this route as well, any update so far?
You can send me an email or I can send you a PM if you can make a room.I did research on it but I have never talked to anybody who has actually gone through this route.
If you could talk to me even a little, it would be very appreciated.
Even if you have not joined it, I am happy to share the information I gathered.
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Dear Arkanwings,
I'm considering this route as well, any update so far?
You can send me an email or I can send you a PM if you can make a room.I did research on it but I have never talked to anybody who has actually gone through this route.
If you could talk to me even a little, it would be very appreciated.
Even if you have not joined it, I am happy to share the information I gathered.
I'm considering this route as well, any update so far?
You can send me an email or I can send you a PM if you can make a room.I did research on it but I have never talked to anybody who has actually gone through this route.
If you could talk to me even a little, it would be very appreciated.
Even if you have not joined it, I am happy to share the information I gathered.
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I am kind of in the same situation as well at the moment, having a CPL-(A) from EASA with all the valid ratings. I kind of feel dumb doing the course due to the fact of how sad the market is, literally everywhere they are asking for experience on type and my nationality makes it worse which is Indian. I am so close of considering pay 2 fly because it looks like I do not have any options at the moment, if there is anyone who can pour a glimpse of hope or any advice please feel free.
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The first 500 hours on multi-crew aircraft are arguably your most important. Stay well away from schemes like this that serve only to protect the company, not the “customer”.
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i am kind of in the same situation as well at the moment, having a cpl-(a) from easa with all the valid ratings. I kind of feel dumb doing the course due to the fact of how sad the market is, literally everywhere they are asking for experience on type and my nationality makes it worse which is indian. I am so close of considering pay 2 fly because it looks like i do not have any options at the moment, if there is anyone who can pour a glimpse of hope or any advice please feel free.
This is very old information that was gleaned by me now more than 15 years ago so will be well outdated but as there seems to be a lack of info regards Eagle Jet p2f.
I spent virtually a full day at a conference and got talking to a young FO who had contracted to do 500 hours, Eagle Jet . 737 with Royal Air Maroc, based in Casablanca. The 500 hours were expected to be completed within 9 months. In fact he said was just under two years he spent there and he never did complete the 500 hours. He was approached by outfit Belgium Fly4U. Govt a short term contract and hours up to 1000. The contract ended and he ended up in the corporate world, that was how I I met him , he was attending due to the skipper illness and he was filling in for him.
Whilst with Eagle he paid $50k upfront with no get out. He was treated by RAM very poorly, operations and many of the local aircrew. He had to pay for his own accommodations and subsistence , nearly two years, crazy costs, I have no idea if anything has changed much, I doubt it. However it's a path that some will take but that's a aviation thing.
Hiope this provides some if old information.
I spent virtually a full day at a conference and got talking to a young FO who had contracted to do 500 hours, Eagle Jet . 737 with Royal Air Maroc, based in Casablanca. The 500 hours were expected to be completed within 9 months. In fact he said was just under two years he spent there and he never did complete the 500 hours. He was approached by outfit Belgium Fly4U. Govt a short term contract and hours up to 1000. The contract ended and he ended up in the corporate world, that was how I I met him , he was attending due to the skipper illness and he was filling in for him.
Whilst with Eagle he paid $50k upfront with no get out. He was treated by RAM very poorly, operations and many of the local aircrew. He had to pay for his own accommodations and subsistence , nearly two years, crazy costs, I have no idea if anything has changed much, I doubt it. However it's a path that some will take but that's a aviation thing.
Hiope this provides some if old information.
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From the people that have been joining Avion via these, they are now cadet programs. You pay, but you get a salary equal to every other FO in the company with all the benefits. Your contract is exactly the same as everyone else's.
Eaglejet gets you to join as TR Cadet, BAA gets you to join as NTR. I've heard some horror stories about BAA cadets, but eaglejet ones are mostly satisfied.
Just informing on how it's working. I'll be honest, if I didn't manage to join without paying, I'd definitely go through one of these. I can make money back, but not time. Everyone saying all the companies are hiring, but the reality is, from the 100% of pilots I know that finished since 2021, only 5% managed to join the big boys... And 4.5% out of those 5% joined via Ryanair (which has the same thing. You pay for type rating and 500h and you get a salary).
Eaglejet gets you to join as TR Cadet, BAA gets you to join as NTR. I've heard some horror stories about BAA cadets, but eaglejet ones are mostly satisfied.
Just informing on how it's working. I'll be honest, if I didn't manage to join without paying, I'd definitely go through one of these. I can make money back, but not time. Everyone saying all the companies are hiring, but the reality is, from the 100% of pilots I know that finished since 2021, only 5% managed to join the big boys... And 4.5% out of those 5% joined via Ryanair (which has the same thing. You pay for type rating and 500h and you get a salary).
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Just informing on how it's working. I'll be honest, if I didn't manage to join without paying, I'd definitely go through one of these. I can make money back, but not time. Everyone saying all the companies are hiring, but the reality is, from the 100% of pilots I know that finished since 2021, only 5% managed to join the big boys... And 4.5% out of those 5% joined via Ryanair (which has the same thing. You pay for type rating and 500h and you get a salary).
I know a few people who did the scheme via Eagle and BAA. Here are the keypoints:
- It isn't a done deal. You don't pay your way into the righthand seat with either, no guaranteed pass or anything.
- You still need to do the whole assessment, and you can fail at every part. I know that multiple people failed, including some from BAA.
- Eagle doesn't pre-screen with them before the typerating. Meaning that it is possible for the airline to not invite you to the assessment you based on your profile. This has happened!
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This is very old information that was gleaned by me now more than 15 years ago so will be well outdated but as there seems to be a lack of info regards Eagle Jet p2f.
I spent virtually a full day at a conference and got talking to a young FO who had contracted to do 500 hours, Eagle Jet . 737 with Royal Air Maroc, based in Casablanca. The 500 hours were expected to be completed within 9 months. In fact he said was just under two years he spent there and he never did complete the 500 hours. He was approached by outfit Belgium Fly4U. Govt a short term contract and hours up to 1000. The contract ended and he ended up in the corporate world, that was how I I met him , he was attending due to the skipper illness and he was filling in for him.
Whilst with Eagle he paid $50k upfront with no get out. He was treated by RAM very poorly, operations and many of the local aircrew. He had to pay for his own accommodations and subsistence , nearly two years, crazy costs, I have no idea if anything has changed much, I doubt it. However it's a path that some will take but that's a aviation thing.
Hiope this provides some if old information.
I spent virtually a full day at a conference and got talking to a young FO who had contracted to do 500 hours, Eagle Jet . 737 with Royal Air Maroc, based in Casablanca. The 500 hours were expected to be completed within 9 months. In fact he said was just under two years he spent there and he never did complete the 500 hours. He was approached by outfit Belgium Fly4U. Govt a short term contract and hours up to 1000. The contract ended and he ended up in the corporate world, that was how I I met him , he was attending due to the skipper illness and he was filling in for him.
Whilst with Eagle he paid $50k upfront with no get out. He was treated by RAM very poorly, operations and many of the local aircrew. He had to pay for his own accommodations and subsistence , nearly two years, crazy costs, I have no idea if anything has changed much, I doubt it. However it's a path that some will take but that's a aviation thing.
Hiope this provides some if old information.
Where, when and how is not any of their concern. Their primary concern is that you'll meet the payment terms in the contract.
