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Old 9th Nov 2017, 12:16
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Thanks for your help taylorstewart46!

So as I currently have a live application for another airline with L3, if I were unsuccessful at the BA tests (ie Maths), I'd be able to reopen my previous application and continue from there?
As in if I put an application on hold it doesn't withdraw that application and mean I wouldn't be able to continue it should I be unsuccessful with BA?
Sorry hope this makes sense
Appreciate any info or advice as obviously end goal is to be a pilot.

Does anyone know why we aren't allowed to have more than 1 live application at a time? As it may reduce your chances, but also nothing stops someone else from having a live application with another FTO as well as L3...
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 12:47
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I rang L3 about this issue. I was told that if I open a BA application then I would be asked to choose which application I'd like to progress and which I would like to close. It seems only 1 application is allowed to be live at any one time.
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 17:43
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Cirlce and square: medium 94%, hard 81%
Flying boxes: 81%
Shapes and colours: hard 94%
Patterns: medium 100%, hard 88%
Multitask: medium 83%
Math: hard 95.5% (usually done in 24 minutes for 24 questions. Typically scored 100% in the days leading up to the test.)

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Old 10th Nov 2017, 23:22
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Can anyone please shed some light on stage 2 BA assessment, i understand there is only one maths test similar as lpj, 12 min 15 questions? Test on verbal reasoning! And then pilapt! Is there any additional numerical reasoning test too eg graphs etc? cheers
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 09:44
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There are 4 parts:
1. Maths - 15 questions in 15 minutes, it’s L3 normal standard and medium/high GCSE level - some conversion questions as well as long multiplication and division.
2. PILAPT - I used Skytest and found it amazing - I felt very prepared.
3. Numerical Reasoning - 25 questions in 12 minutes, you’re very pushed for time.
4. Verbal Reasoning - 36 questions in 20 minutes, again pushed for time but can still complete all.

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Old 12th Nov 2017, 14:27
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Hi Dave, regarding the above, I've been using the numerical reasoning practice test found at from the CEBGlobal URL link provided in the assessment centre invite email to practice the non-calculator maths test. In the practice test on CEBGlobal, it's 18 questions in 25 minutes.

In the actual test for the mental maths, I understand this is the same difficulty as above, but only 12 minutes for 25 questions of a similar difficulty? Also, I understand this part is non-calculator? This seems extremely stretching in the allocated time.
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 13:39
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I'm very confused about the maths testing for the assessment. As I understand it there is:

1. Mental calculation numeracy test. So obviously must be non calculator and would be conversions multiplications etc.? Is this best to practice on lpj or similar?

2. Numerical reasoning, non calculator also. Longer questions where you may need to read off a graph or table etc. Is this similar to the cebglobal test?

I was attempting the cebglobal calculation test thing because I thought it would be a practice for the mental maths and was finding it impossible until I realised you were meant to use a calculator..
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 15:01
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Chris,

1. LPJ and PAT are perfect for practice for the 15 in 15 mins

2. The CEBglobal tests they linked are indeed for those with access to calculators so would say they are tougher than those faced in the actual test. Practice being able to work out which is the correct answer without actually finding the full answer. PAT also has numerical and verbal reasoning that you can practice, arguably more accurate of the level actually faced.
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 18:50
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The tests that leave you short of time are not designed to be completed in the time limit. Sure, some people may well complete them, but very few will (and even fewer people will get 100% - if any ever will). What they really want to see is your ability to accurately perform calculations under pressure. What they definitely don't want to see is you guessing your way through question after question and only scoring 25%. If you do this then you will fail. Far better to answer 50% of the questions with 80% accuracy than 100% of the questions with 40% accuracy.

Hope it's helpful!
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 19:07
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Originally Posted by DaveBC View Post
Cirlce and square: medium 94%, hard 81%
Flying boxes: 81%
Shapes and colours: hard 94%
Patterns: medium 100%, hard 88%
Multitask: medium 83%
Math: hard 95.5% (usually done in 24 minutes for 24 questions. Typically scored 100% in the days leading up to the test.)

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Hi DaveBC

Please can you confirm whether the Maths tests are multi choice? The LPJ Maths isnít but I seem to recall the old CTC Mental Maths being multiple choice?

Thanks in advance
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 20:25
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I have not heard anything for a week since I completed the online assessments.
Does anyone know when the next round of assessment days are scheduled for? My situation is complicated slightly by currently living in France, so I would need as much notice as possible to plan my return.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 21:41
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Originally Posted by Liv18 View Post
Hi DaveBC

Please can you confirm whether the Maths tests are multi choice? The LPJ Maths isnít but I seem to recall the old CTC Mental Maths being multiple choice?

Thanks in advance
Both are multiple choice.
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 13:12
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That’s great thank you
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 21:10
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I took five days for me to get a response. I'm in a similar situation, also got to come from overseas. I'm back in the UK for Christmas so hoping I can sort it for the week before.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 14:04
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Thank you for clearing up the situation with the maths tests

For people wondering when the next dates are likely to be for 1st assessment day, I called today to ask. Obviously these dates aren't confirmed, but they said from the roster that they might hold selections days on 5th Dec and 11/12th dec
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Old 21st Nov 2017, 14:02
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I've been invited to take the online assessments. Are there any useful websites to practice similar tests to the online ones?
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Old 21st Nov 2017, 16:14
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I attended stage 1 assessment in with L3 today in the AM session. I have already received my rejection email.

Disappointing obviously, but I gave it my best shot so I have no regrets. I think it's somewhat unacceptable that no feedback is given, but no point complaining about things you can't change right?

For the aptitude tests, is it a case of meeting a required average? Or if you fail one test you fail it altogether? I think I have a pretty good idea of where I went wrong and I know I definitely failed one of the aptitude tests.

All I can say to those still to attending just keep practising on your tests, as I definitely think you can improve and it's not all a case of "you either have it or you don't" - you definitely can, and I believe the more you put in the more you will get out - but that *usually* applies to anything in life right?

I believe I can still apply to the Generation Easyjet Pilot programme, so I'm going to have another try after working on those areas where I know I need to improve. If I fail the second time, then I will have to have a serious think about whether I should continue trying - harsh I know, but I think it's best to be realistic.

Anyway, enough of me rambling, good luck to those who sat their assessment today, you all seemed very nice. Commiserations to those who didn't get through.
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Old 22nd Nov 2017, 00:32
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Does anyone know the salary upon employment with BA? How does this compare with FPP salary?
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Old 22nd Nov 2017, 17:26
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Hi qbigglesq

A BA co-pilot showed me the different basic pays between FPP and Self Sponsored Pilot (SSP) back in 2016
I believe that Short Haul Co-pilots from FPP were on £24,719 basic and SSP were on £35,926 in their first year and obviously the basic pay increases each year.

Hope this helps as a guide, obviously can't say for certain
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Old 22nd Nov 2017, 17:44
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Originally Posted by Jake24 View Post
Hi just want to check, is the BA cadet program for International or only for UK citizens?
The answer to that question is clearly laid out In the recruitment website - link follows.

https://jobs.ba.com/jobs/futurepilot/

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